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On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
They have talked about trade deals. They have talked about immigration and fixing the system. Trump doesn't have a plan for immigration reform. Like at all. Or trade deals. His plan is "Make better deals," which isn't a plan. He will build a stupid wall that will do nothing, which I guess is a plan.
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
They have talked about trade deals. They have talked about immigration and fixing the system. Trump doesn't have a plan for immigration reform. Like at all. Or trade deals. His plan is "Make better deals," which isn't a plan. He will build a stupid wall that will do nothing, which I guess is a plan.
That's fair criticism of trump but seriously what is this? Every person makes an appeal to emotion, and tries to make you feel pity for them, for being a woman, for being black, for being gay, for being a human sex trafficker and it never ends. These aren't the issues that matter to me at all.
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
They have talked about trade deals. They have talked about immigration and fixing the system. Trump doesn't have a plan for immigration reform. Like at all. Or trade deals. His plan is "Make better deals," which isn't a plan. He will build a stupid wall that will do nothing, which I guess is a plan.
That's fair criticism of trump but seriously what is this? Every person makes an appeal to emotion, and tries to make you feel pity for them, for being a woman, for being black, for being gay, for being a human sex trafficker and it never ends. These aren't the issues that matter to me at all.
Its almost like there are other people in this country who care about things you don't. The world does not revolve around you.
On July 27 2016 10:17 xDaunt wrote: This 9/11 shit is lame as can be.
I think this guy is making an important point though- that Hillary fought to help first responders, while Trump used 9/11 as a payday.
And that bill to assist first responders is still stalled out in the house if I remember correctly.
Despite Hillary Clinton's and Jon Stewart's best efforts... thanks Republicans
If that was her best effort I'm thoroughly unimpressed at her ability "get stuff done", I think those needing the bill feel similarly.
You know full well that those bills need to be voted on
Which is why Hillary used her political influence and presence to help John save those people's lives... Oh wait, that's not what she did, she said practically nothing while they died off until she was ready to take credit for passing the bill which she watched fade away with little more than a blog post.
You know that's disgusting politics manifest, please don't lower yourself to dismissing/minimizing it.
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
They have talked about trade deals. They have talked about immigration and fixing the system. Trump doesn't have a plan for immigration reform. Like at all. Or trade deals. His plan is "Make better deals," which isn't a plan. He will build a stupid wall that will do nothing, which I guess is a plan.
That's fair criticism of trump but seriously what is this? Every person makes an appeal to emotion, and tries to make you feel pity for them, for being a woman, for being black, for being gay, for being a human sex trafficker and it never ends. These aren't the issues that matter to me at all.
Its almost like there are other people in this country who care about things you don't. The world does not revolve around you.
I'd care about these things more if they weren't so desperate for sympathy, it's a real turn off.
It's just a single word being used with multiple meanings. Black people don't use it to insult.
So you're saying black people are capable of using the word in a non-insulting manner
and that white people are incapable of doing this, based purely on the fact that they are white and not black?
Perhaps you don't know the meaning of the word they intend when they use it.
Pretty stupid point. When you're using 'nigger' instead of 'the n word' you're clearly overstepping an existing social taboo and are clearly signifying that. The words don't contain the same meaning just because they're referring to the same word in the dictionary, that's not how communication works
The point was that it wasn't being used in a racial context by Louis C.K., despite doodsmack's insistence that a white person could only ever say the word if they're being insulting/racist about it.
the word is always used in a racial context given how charged it is. Even if the context is just, like in Louis C.K. case to point out that he doesn't care about using racially charged words. But you can't just simply make up your own language and assume that everybody around you is overly sensitive. I can't walk into a church and say "fuck jesus" because just I have decided that I like to express my general frustration that way.
There is a difference between saying
Louis C.K. said that word in a racist, insulting way
and
Louis C.K. said that word in a way that is racially charged
Read the parent quotes of what I was responding to from Doodsmack before continuing to argue against a position I don't hold
edit: I will say I disagree with your underlined point though. I think it's easily possible to say it in a way that isn't racial
Can you please give some examples of ways that "nigger" can be used non-racially? It's defined as an ethic slur towards black people, so it's a racial term by definition.
"1. offensive; see usage paragraph below — used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a black person 2. offensive; see usage paragraph below — used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a member of any dark-skinned race: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nigger
"In the English language, the word "nigger" is an ethnic slur, usually directed at black people. The word originated as a neutral term referring to people with black skin,[1] as a variation of the Spanish and Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger ("black").[2] It was often used derogatorily, and by the mid-twentieth century, particularly in the United States, its usage became unambiguously pejorative, a racist insult. Accordingly, it began to disappear from popular culture, and its continued inclusion in classic works of literature has sparked controversy." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger
(Bolded parts are my own.)
As far as I'm aware, the word "nigger" always has racial overtones, and the only way I can think of for a white person to use the term that isn't racist is if, in a history lesson, it's merely being explained that the word "nigger" has historically been used in a derogatory manner, and is today. So the history teacher isn't being a racist per se, but is purposely using the word to explain its racial etymology in an educational setting.
I've been called nigger randomly by one of my stupid white friends online being a complete goofball and I don't think he had any intention of demeaning blacks by doing so - he was just being a dork
It's really not difficult to imagine if you come to the conclusion that language isn't an objective truth
I still don't use the word for social taboo reasons but I don't think that sort of religious 'oh my god that word is bad you can't say that' is rational at all. I literally just ignored the fact that my friend used it like that and didn't care; I knew he didn't mean anything racist by it.
Especially when you add on 'well, you can say it if you're black and it's okay, but if you aren't black you can never say it or youre insulting blacks and a racist', which I think makes it an even less rational position
You've got what I would call 'voldemort syndrome'
Your friend and you have decided to redefine a word so that it no longer means it's standard definition and instead means something completely different. That's fine in a private conversation between the two of you, as you've already agreed to the new definition (just like how people can make up their own language), but if you casually call someone else (black or otherwise) a nigger, then they're going to assume you mean what the standard definition of "nigger" means. Usually, it's axiomatic that when people use certain words, those words take on their dictionary definitions... so when people say "I dislike Hillary" we're not intending for the message to be "I dislike cookies".
So while I'm fine with granting you that example of a private language agreed upon between you and a friend, are there any examples of using the word "nigger" in a normal, universal setting that you think is acceptable and non-racial?
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
They have talked about trade deals. They have talked about immigration and fixing the system. Trump doesn't have a plan for immigration reform. Like at all. Or trade deals. His plan is "Make better deals," which isn't a plan. He will build a stupid wall that will do nothing, which I guess is a plan.
That's fair criticism of trump but seriously what is this? Every person makes an appeal to emotion, and tries to make you feel pity for them, for being a woman, for being black, for being gay, for being a human sex trafficker and it never ends. These aren't the issues that matter to me at all.
Its almost like there are other people in this country who care about things you don't. The world does not revolve around you.
I'd care about these things more if they weren't so desperate for sympathy, it's a real turn off.
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
They have talked about trade deals. They have talked about immigration and fixing the system. Trump doesn't have a plan for immigration reform. Like at all. Or trade deals. His plan is "Make better deals," which isn't a plan. He will build a stupid wall that will do nothing, which I guess is a plan.
That's fair criticism of trump but seriously what is this? Every person makes an appeal to emotion, and tries to make you feel pity for them, for being a woman, for being black, for being gay, for being a human sex trafficker and it never ends. These aren't the issues that matter to me at all.
so? you're not a democrat; and the convention is aimed at democratic activists. Different messages aimed at different groups. You're simply not part of the target demographic for this.
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
Using the words "immigration" and "terrorism" doesn't mean he has any coherent plan of action for them. His plan of action for literally everything is either "Build a wall" or "I have a plan but I won't tell anyone, but trust me we'll win at everything."
The whole point of the convention is to get people emotionally invested. Seeing as this is a strategy game forum I'm not surprised that most of us are wanting more substance. I don't think the polls would be kind to the Dems if they just projected spreadsheets for four days... keep in mind this is what they're competing against:
On July 27 2016 10:48 biology]major wrote: Social issues, that is the number one thing the dems care about, if I've learned anything from this convention
Trump is running on immigration, terrorism, and trade deals and basically saying f the rest. Meanwhile at dnc no mention of any of those things.
Using the words "immigration" and "terrorism" doesn't mean he has any coherent plan of action for them. His plan of action for literally everything is either "Build a wall" or "I have a plan but I won't tell anyone, but trust me we'll win at everything."
The immigration policy page on his website sure seems to have more than just build a wall.
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