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On July 08 2016 06:42 Surth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
People not respecting them because of their fuck-ups seems like a spoiled teenager bad-mouthing their parent who gave them everything. Yes there's a few parents who abuse their children but the vast majority are normal people who want to do right by their children. Spoiled bratty teenagers who don't know what it's like to work in the real world just don't understand what being a grown-up is like until they have to live through it themselves. Their fuck-ups being MURDERING PEOPLE BY SHOOTING THEM IN THE FACE. Yes, exactly like a spoiled teenager. Jesus Christ. Seriously, if you cant understand why black communites do not trust police forces, You are not doing enough understanding. Now all we need is Testie to talk about Chicago again...
The vast majority of cops do not have this issue.
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Dog whistle racism in politics at its finest. But of course, now that is just explained away as "standing up to the mean, and every mythical PC crowd." So brave.
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The phrase "virtue signalling" can eat a cock and die, by the way. Yes, whenever we communicate we are also performing our own identity; using the word "virtue signalling" is itself just another kind of signalling (usually signalling like you are above such things). But from the point of view of sign value (of which virtue signalling is just a corruded bastard-concept), acting like you dont care about virtue-signalling is just another, pseudo-rebellious sign-value.
As for the police, again and again. http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2014/08/18/hulks-favorite-movies-do-the-right-thing-1989
"Some of these stories involve some kind of small provocation. Some of these events border on straight-up murder. But all of these stories feature one similarity: a "Misunderstanding" of law enforcement based on an impossible expectation for the victims' non-behavior. A behavior which cannot express fear, anger, or involuntary movement on the off-chance that behavior might be misinterpreted as violent. It is an expectation, which if not met, results in death."
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I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose either, to get that offended over a shape, gimme a break.
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On July 08 2016 06:47 zlefin wrote:
Certainly raising wages/benefits tends to go a long way towards fixing shortages.
Certainly. Police tend to be horrible underpaid for the work they do and the responsibility society places on them. I would happily support significant pay raises for street cops.
That said, You also want to avoid attracting people who will do the job for the money. Its a problem politicians for example have where you attract people you don;t want who are in it for personal gains.
Most of it should be caught be a selection process and during training, but it is something to be conscious of.
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United States7226 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:46 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:45 Gorsameth wrote:On July 08 2016 06:41 m4ini wrote:On July 08 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 06:28 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. No one makes them take the job though. Its a hard job if they can't handle it don't sign up for it. The vast majority of cops shouldn't be cops. Police shouldn't be revenue collectors, their performance shouldn't be based on quotas, they need to be enforcing way way way less stupid laws, there should be a fraction of the total number of police now like way less cops total, there should be way more oversight, way more regulation, body cams, dash cams. They should be significantly better trained, constantly tested and evaluated, rigorous physical and mental fitness testing no tub of shit cops, they should be paid well because they should be the cream of the crop, they should be from the communities they serve. They're currently none of those things. This country has some things all wrong and the criminal justice system is right up there. Police should be the Navy Seals or Delta Force of humans. The apex, the best of the best. But not at killing people, at being strong, smart, brave, but also kind and caring. People are always going to resent authority, they always have and they always will, nothing will change that. It's part of the job and the type of person we want as police should know that and totally get it. People are going to dislike them and it's understandable for them to. They still have a job to do though and that job isn't being done properly right now. You're never going to fill the ranks of the police force though if you set Delta Force standards. Funny that you say that, because other countries do. At least in psychological evaluations, nobody is complaining about a cop stuffing his face with donuts, not able to run after a pocket thief. We're talking people not able to cope with stress-situations, in a job that literally should have "stress resistant" as baseline. I do believe many countries struggle to train enough policemen for their needs. Shortages seem to be pretty common. That has nothing to do with a lack of applicants or too high standards, but underfunding.
That doesn't take away from the difficulty of making an idealistic police force 'delta force' quality.
Especially in a country the size of the USA.
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On July 08 2016 06:52 Surth wrote:The phrase "virtue signalling" can eat a cock and die, by the way. Yes, whenever we communicate we are also performing our own identity; using the word "virtue signalling" is itself just another kind of signalling (usually signalling like you are above such things). But from the point of view of sign value (of which virtue signalling is just a corruded bastard-concept), acting like you dont care about virtue-signalling is just another, pseudo-rebellious sign-value. As for the police, again and again. http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2014/08/18/hulks-favorite-movies-do-the-right-thing-1989"Some of these stories involve some kind of small provocation. Some of these events border on straight-up murder. But all of these stories feature one similarity: a "Misunderstanding" of law enforcement based on an impossible expectation for the victims' non-behavior. A behavior which cannot express fear, anger, or involuntary movement on the off-chance that behavior might be misinterpreted as violent. It is an expectation, which if not met, results in death."
I love the made up words that get thrown around like they are real. "Groupthink" has to be one of my favorites. And the over use of "narrative" and how its is always falling apart at all times.
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On July 08 2016 06:53 biology]major wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose either, to get that offended over a shape, gimme a break.
Are we back to how we tell minorities what they should be offended by?
To be clear. I don't give a shit about certain things. I don't care if you say "nigger", sorry, "the n-word" either. That doesn't mean that a certain minority should be okay with that too. You don't get to tell a jew he shouldn't be offended by "x".
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The PC/SJW crowd exists, but you can't point to their histrionics and be like "oh they're making it up, there's no problem with discrimination at all". Goodness knows the reasonable people on the left dislike them too. In fact, the right may like them more because it lets them pretend that real systemic racism isn't a problem because libtards (I'm happy to call that particular crowd that) are crying about someone chalking MAGA on a college campus.
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On July 08 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:28 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. No one makes them take the job though. Its a hard job if they can't handle it don't sign up for it. The vast majority of cops shouldn't be cops. Police shouldn't be revenue collectors, their performance shouldn't be based on quotas, they need to be enforcing way way way less stupid laws, there should be a fraction of the total number of police now like way less cops total, there should be way more oversight, way more regulation, body cams, dash cams. They should be significantly better trained, constantly tested and evaluated, rigorous physical and mental fitness testing no tub of shit cops, they should be paid well because they should be the cream of the crop, they should be from the communities they serve. They're currently none of those things. This country has some things all wrong and the criminal justice system is right up there. Police should be the Navy Seals or Delta Force of humans. The apex, the best of the best. But not at killing people, at being strong, smart, brave, but also kind and caring. People are always going to resent authority, they always have and they always will, nothing will change that. It's part of the job and the type of person we want as police should know that and totally get it. People are going to dislike them and it's understandable for them to. They still have a job to do though and that job isn't being done properly right now. You're never going to fill the ranks of the police force though if you set Delta Force standards. Much of the training they go through is to ensure they are strong, smart, brave, kind, caring, etc. They are obviously trained not to kill innocent people. Most normal people wouldn't dream of doing that. The real world just works differently than these idealistic standards of a 'perfect police force of the citizens finest doing their duty to enforce justice'. The work they have to do is sometimes dark and gritty and a lot of cops die in the line of duty because fearing for their lives is a very real thing. The reality is you have normal ordinary people being tasked with a great deal of responsibility and power and expected to do extraordinary things. They work their hardest to do things most people take for granted. People not respecting them because of their fuck-ups seems like a spoiled teenager bad-mouthing their parent who gave them everything. Yes there's a few parents who abuse their children but the vast majority are normal people who want to do right by their children. Spoiled bratty teenagers who don't know what it's like to work in the real world just don't understand what being a grown-up is like until they have to live through it themselves. The vast majority of people whining that police are racists, trying to assassinate people, abuse their power are people who have never had to deal with any sort of adversity in their lives on par with that of serving as police.
I'm not saying I want black ops police. In fact generally I'm not big on military veterans being police at all. It's too easy to go from a military occupying force us vs. them mentality and bring it into civilian scenarios. I think that's a major no-no and it creates a shitload of the problems we're seeing. I'm talking about that degree of excellence but as good people. We demand only the best for the job.
The world police currently opperate in isn't the real world. A lot of the problems are because we have them making money for the department and enforcing laws that shouldn't exist let alone be enforced. All those things end up doing is A- Requiring more police and B- Making more situations for all those police to interact and get into situations that could turn south. We want less police that are better trained and we want those better trained police to have less reasons to hassle people over BS.
Again, I want zero ordinary people on the police force. If you have Joe Sixpack on the force you're going to have problems. It's not a job a regular person can handle properly.
People don't like authority, they never have and never will. I'm sorry, deal with it.
That last sentence is laughable.
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On July 08 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:46 m4ini wrote:On July 08 2016 06:45 Gorsameth wrote:On July 08 2016 06:41 m4ini wrote:On July 08 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 06:28 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. No one makes them take the job though. Its a hard job if they can't handle it don't sign up for it. The vast majority of cops shouldn't be cops. Police shouldn't be revenue collectors, their performance shouldn't be based on quotas, they need to be enforcing way way way less stupid laws, there should be a fraction of the total number of police now like way less cops total, there should be way more oversight, way more regulation, body cams, dash cams. They should be significantly better trained, constantly tested and evaluated, rigorous physical and mental fitness testing no tub of shit cops, they should be paid well because they should be the cream of the crop, they should be from the communities they serve. They're currently none of those things. This country has some things all wrong and the criminal justice system is right up there. Police should be the Navy Seals or Delta Force of humans. The apex, the best of the best. But not at killing people, at being strong, smart, brave, but also kind and caring. People are always going to resent authority, they always have and they always will, nothing will change that. It's part of the job and the type of person we want as police should know that and totally get it. People are going to dislike them and it's understandable for them to. They still have a job to do though and that job isn't being done properly right now. You're never going to fill the ranks of the police force though if you set Delta Force standards. Funny that you say that, because other countries do. At least in psychological evaluations, nobody is complaining about a cop stuffing his face with donuts, not able to run after a pocket thief. We're talking people not able to cope with stress-situations, in a job that literally should have "stress resistant" as baseline. I do believe many countries struggle to train enough policemen for their needs. Shortages seem to be pretty common. That has nothing to do with a lack of applicants or too high standards, but underfunding. That doesn't take away from the difficulty of making an idealistic police force 'delta force' quality. Especially in a country the size of the USA.
Only an idiot would want "soldier-quality" cops in the first place, so i don't see the problem there.
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On July 08 2016 06:53 biology]major wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose either, to get that offended over a shape, gimme a break.
In Cincinatti the other day he expressed regret that his people had taken down the tweet and replaced it.
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United States7226 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:52 Surth wrote:
The phrase "virtue signalling" can eat a cock and die, by the way. Yes, whenever we communicate we are also performing our own identity; using the word "virtue signalling" is itself just another kind of signalling (usually signalling like you are above such things). But from the point of view of sign value (of which virtue signalling is just a corruded bastard-concept), acting like you dont care about virtue-signalling is just another, pseudo-rebellious sign-value.
Sorry it's going nowhere as long as PC culture continues to assert itself as a force of censorship and absurdity and SJWs continue to be internet crusaders.
Phrases like this are a direct consequence of the regressive left.
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On July 08 2016 06:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
The PC/SJW crowd exists, but you can't point to their histrionics and be like "oh they're making it up, there's no problem with discrimination at all". Goodness knows the reasonable people on the left dislike them too. In fact, the right may like them more because it lets them pretend that real systemic racism isn't a problem because libtards (I'm happy to call that particular crowd that) are crying about someone chalking MAGA on a college campus.
The endless reporting on protest on collage campus's to general cheap views on outrage is one of my least favorite parts of modern media. Its sensationalism at its best. There was an article recently about a local college where the students "protested that their ethnic food was being served improperly at the school cafeteria". When in reality the students send the chief chef a letter thanking him for trying to prepare their food, but that he fucked it up and provided him with a better recipe.
But man, that thing made the rounds of Facebook, filled with hot takes about soft students being entitled. But remember that the left is filled with outrage junkies
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Canada11607 Posts
I don't think people should be offended by a six-pointed star. . .it's on the flag of Israel. Context matters. In this case we have the star of David with money in the background, talking about corruption from an account (FishBoneHead) that routinely posts racially abhorrent things (uglifying the image of Harriet Tubman as the new proposed money and hook-nosing a Jewish journalist). I think it is a very small step to think for an account this sort Money + Corruption + Jewish star + Clinton = Clinton is part of the Jewish corruption, the rigged system against white people. It's a dog whistle that Trump's campaign seems either intentionally or unintentionally ignorant of.
These guys certainly recognized it:
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On July 08 2016 06:55 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:53 biology]major wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose either, to get that offended over a shape, gimme a break. Are we back to how we tell minorities what they should be offended by? To be clear. I don't give a shit about certain things. I don't care if you say "nigger", sorry, "the n-word" either. That doesn't mean that a certain minority should be okay with that too. You don't get to tell a jew he shouldn't be offended by "x".
Sure I can, I think it's ridiculous to be offended by a shape period. On top of that it wasn't even referring to Jews, that was just interpreted and exaggerated by the media.
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Aren't the anti-PC crowds generally heavily overlapped with the same folks who say things like "two men shouldn't be kissing on TV where my kids could see"?
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On July 08 2016 07:04 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:55 m4ini wrote:On July 08 2016 06:53 biology]major wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose either, to get that offended over a shape, gimme a break. Are we back to how we tell minorities what they should be offended by? To be clear. I don't give a shit about certain things. I don't care if you say "nigger", sorry, "the n-word" either. That doesn't mean that a certain minority should be okay with that too. You don't get to tell a jew he shouldn't be offended by "x". Sure I can, I think it's ridiculous to be offended by a shape period. On top of that it wasn't even referring to Jews, that was just interpreted and exaggerated by the media.
Can we get offended at you being offended by people having a different opinion on the subject that you? When does this cycle of offense end?
On July 08 2016 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Aren't the anti-PC crowds generally heavily overlapped with the same folks who say things like "two men shouldn't be kissing on TV where my kids could see"?
But then he might have to talk to his shitty kid about gay people? We can't inflict that on him? Parenting?????
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United States7226 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
The PC/SJW crowd exists, but you can't point to their histrionics and be like "oh they're making it up, there's no problem with discrimination at all". Goodness knows the reasonable people on the left dislike them too. In fact, the right may like them more because it lets them pretend that real systemic racism isn't a problem because libtards (I'm happy to call that particular crowd that) are crying about someone chalking MAGA on a college campus.
I definitely think the right dislikes the regressive left more than the reasonable left dislikes them.
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United States7226 Posts
On July 08 2016 06:59 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 06:46 m4ini wrote:On July 08 2016 06:45 Gorsameth wrote:On July 08 2016 06:41 m4ini wrote:On July 08 2016 06:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 06:28 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. No one makes them take the job though. Its a hard job if they can't handle it don't sign up for it. The vast majority of cops shouldn't be cops. Police shouldn't be revenue collectors, their performance shouldn't be based on quotas, they need to be enforcing way way way less stupid laws, there should be a fraction of the total number of police now like way less cops total, there should be way more oversight, way more regulation, body cams, dash cams. They should be significantly better trained, constantly tested and evaluated, rigorous physical and mental fitness testing no tub of shit cops, they should be paid well because they should be the cream of the crop, they should be from the communities they serve. They're currently none of those things. This country has some things all wrong and the criminal justice system is right up there. Police should be the Navy Seals or Delta Force of humans. The apex, the best of the best. But not at killing people, at being strong, smart, brave, but also kind and caring. People are always going to resent authority, they always have and they always will, nothing will change that. It's part of the job and the type of person we want as police should know that and totally get it. People are going to dislike them and it's understandable for them to. They still have a job to do though and that job isn't being done properly right now. You're never going to fill the ranks of the police force though if you set Delta Force standards. Funny that you say that, because other countries do. At least in psychological evaluations, nobody is complaining about a cop stuffing his face with donuts, not able to run after a pocket thief. We're talking people not able to cope with stress-situations, in a job that literally should have "stress resistant" as baseline. I do believe many countries struggle to train enough policemen for their needs. Shortages seem to be pretty common. That has nothing to do with a lack of applicants or too high standards, but underfunding. That doesn't take away from the difficulty of making an idealistic police force 'delta force' quality. Especially in a country the size of the USA. Only an idiot would want "soldier-quality" cops in the first place, so i don't see the problem there.
I'm not the one advocating for it.
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