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On July 08 2016 05:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:02 oBlade wrote:
I wonder why most presidents don't care to stay in public office. It would be useful to have GWB and Obama serving as senators. In politics there's a pretty consistent pattern of "going backwards" in politics being looked at as shameful.
The same is true outside of politics.
Going from the head of a laboratory to being a janitor is looked down upon.
Going from head of a software engineering team, to an intern, is looked down upon.
Going from president to a random senator is also looked down upon.
The issue is American Exceptionalism, not politics.
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Comey is amazing. What an incredibly sharp individual. I am downright impressed.
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ahahahahahaah holy shit 'courtesy' vetting is real? AHAHAHAHAAHAH
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Referral is in for looking at if Hillary lied under oath. Expect another wave of "I'm too stupid to have known" and diffusion of responsibility until no one is liable.
Which I can only presume would be the summary of her presidency.
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On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people.
I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people.
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On July 08 2016 05:53 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:50 Danglars wrote:On July 08 2016 05:41 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wikileaks goes on the offensive
The security on those servers is going to bite her in the butt. Basically what I got from listening to the committee hearing was, "we can't charge Hillary for negligence or perjury because we can't prove she isn't just a moron who doesn't understand (C) markings." I saw enough to meet the standard of gross negligence (intent not being part of the statute). But this argument of simple incompetance defies belief. First she sets up the private email in the first place to conduct official business on, but somehow its purpose is convenience and not to dodge FOIA and delete emails as she pleases. ((Any Republican using that excuse would be gone and deserve it.)) Now the former chief of the state department is just oops with national security secrets. Weak line of reasoning.
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How many times does he dance around with language to avoid saying gross negligence? Faith in government from State Dep to FBI critically low. I can hardly wait for the Clinton Foundation investigation rationalizations.
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"Courtesy vetting" sounds suspiciously like getting a courtesy blowjob from the hot girl that you take to a nice dinner, but has no intention dating you further.
But frankly, Christie doesn't make sense as Trump's VP. It's not a good fit. Gingrich is a much better fit like I said months ago. Trump needs someone to manage Capital Hill for him. Gingrich is nearly perfect for that job.
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I love that they gave him a referral for perjury, knowing that is one of the hardest charges to make without some amazing smoking gun evidence. Bet the FBI will:
Look into it.
Report that they don’t believe she did commit perjury
Be called before congress for a new hearing
This cycle will continue until the election, our dime.
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On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people.
respect has to be earned, and in some cases, the police haven't, and have shown themselves unworthy of it.
Quite a difficult issue to fix of course.
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On July 08 2016 06:14 xDaunt wrote:
"Courtesy vetting" sounds suspiciously like getting a courtesy blowjob from the hot girl that you take to a nice dinner, but has no intention dating you further.
But frankly, Christie doesn't make sense as Trump's VP. It's not a good fit. Gingrich is a much better fit like I said months ago. Trump needs someone to manage Capital Hill for him. Gingrich is nearly perfect for that job.
I'd be pretty happy getting the blowjob though.
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On July 08 2016 06:14 xDaunt wrote:
"Courtesy vetting" sounds suspiciously like getting a courtesy blowjob from the hot girl that you take to a nice dinner, but has no intention dating you further.
But frankly, Christie doesn't make sense as Trump's VP. It's not a good fit. Gingrich is a much better fit like I said months ago. Trump needs someone to manage Capital Hill for him. Gingrich is nearly perfect for that job.
A ticket of two 70+ year old white men in 2016? Yes please. Never mind the 7 (iirc) divorces between the two in the family values party.
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On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position.
At some point they have to realize it's on them to earn that back or at least make an earnest effort. Maintaining that they can't be questioned immediately after an incident, or drug tested, or refusing to testify against each other, etc... id going in the opposite direction. They have to own the responsibilities they have as a group and rectify them, not push "Blue Lives Matter" bills.
Are you not going to answer the other question though?
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On July 08 2016 06:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Are you not going to answer the other question though?
I have no clue what the percentages would be.
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On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people.
The communities despise them because they do a terrible job of getting rid of the bad apples in their mids.
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On July 08 2016 06:21 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. The communities despise them because they do a terrible job of getting rid of the bad apples in their mids.
And the rest of the profession bends over backwards to defend them or avoid having an opinion. The Governor of Minnesota said today that he believed racism was the cause of the shooting during the traffic stop. The unions and offices will line up to denounce his statements as improper the next day.
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On July 08 2016 06:15 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. respect has to be earned, and in some cases, the police haven't, and have shown themselves unworthy of it. Quite a difficult issue to fix of course.
I enjoy seeing the irony when the left says oh it's only small minority of Muslims that are terrorists, but then fail to apply their own logic to the police. What you are seeing is a very small portion of the whole picture, and the vast majority of cops do their jobs to protect civilians. The actual problem lies in the fact that there is no one to hold the police accountable when the bad apples act up and that has created this environment, but for the most part I respect em
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On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people.
No one makes them take the job though. Its a hard job if they can't handle it don't sign up for it. The vast majority of cops shouldn't be cops. Police shouldn't be revenue collectors, their performance shouldn't be based on quotas, they need to be enforcing way way way less stupid laws, there should be a fraction of the total number of police now like way less cops total, there should be way more oversight, way more regulation, body cams, dash cams. They should be significantly better trained, constantly tested and evaluated, rigorous physical and mental fitness testing no tub of shit cops, they should be paid well because they should be the cream of the crop, they should be from the communities they serve. They're currently none of those things.
This country has some things all wrong and the criminal justice system is right up there. Police should be the Navy Seals or Delta Force of humans. The apex, the best of the best. But not at killing people, at being strong, smart, brave, but also kind and caring. People are always going to resent authority, they always have and they always will, nothing will change that. It's part of the job and the type of person we want as police should know that and totally get it. People are going to dislike them and it's understandable for them to. They still have a job to do though and that job isn't being done properly right now.
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On July 08 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:15 zlefin wrote:On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. respect has to be earned, and in some cases, the police haven't, and have shown themselves unworthy of it. Quite a difficult issue to fix of course. I enjoy seeing the irony when the left says oh it's only small minority of Muslims that are terrorists, but then fail to apply their own logic to the police. What you are seeing is a very small portion of the whole picture, and the vast majority of cops do their jobs to protect civilians. The actual problem lies in the fact that there is no one to hold the police accountable when the bad apples act up and that has created this environment, but for the most part I respect em
while you may enjoy that irony, it would be preferable to only reply to posts that demonstrate that irony with such, rather than replying to posts which do not demonstrate it. otherwise it can cause confusion and hamper discussion, as people may think you were accusing someone of such when they did not do it.
Agreed that having more other people to hold police accountable would be good.
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On July 08 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 06:15 zlefin wrote:On July 08 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty? The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job. Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people. I agree that's part of the problem. It's by no means an easy job, especially when the communities you police despise you because someone else couldn't handle the pressures of the job and fucked up. They have to work as positions of authority in cultures where 'police are out to assassinate us, they're all racist, fuck the po-lice' is commonplace and there is no respect for the authority conferred upon their position. Then they have to go out and put their lives on the line serving these same people. respect has to be earned, and in some cases, the police haven't, and have shown themselves unworthy of it. Quite a difficult issue to fix of course. I enjoy seeing the irony when the left says oh it's only small minority of Muslims that are terrorists, but then fail to apply their own logic to the police. What you are seeing is a very small portion of the whole picture, and the vast majority of cops do their jobs to protect civilians. The actual problem lies in the fact that there is no one to hold the police accountable when the bad apples act up and that has created this environment, but for the most part I respect em
'Muslims' are not tasked with protecting the population
Police don't get a lot of slack because of the function they serve.
Your comparing apples with vending machines.
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