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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:21:56
July 07 2016 20:21 GMT
#83801
Being President is also just incredibly draining no matter how bad or good a job you do or how many vacations you take, especially in the current climate where you are the direct target of the scorn of half the country. I think most people just kind of want to be done afterwards.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
July 07 2016 20:24 GMT
#83802
Its an incredibly unhealthy job too with the lack of sleep let alone decent sleep and the constant stress for 4-8 years.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
July 07 2016 20:29 GMT
#83803
If anyone would do it though it would be Obama, he'll be out of the presidency for a long time if his physical appearance is anything to judge his longevity on.

But the other part is it's a hell of a lot more profitable to run a foundation. As well as A former president wielding billions in capital/assets is easily more powerful than a senator.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:35:10
July 07 2016 20:30 GMT
#83804
My father-in-law is not an anti-Semite.

It’s that simple, really. Donald Trump is not anti-Semitic and he’s not a racist. Despite the best efforts of his political opponents and a large swath of the media to hold Donald Trump accountable for the utterances of even the most fringe of his supporters—a standard to which no other candidate is ever held—the worst that his detractors can fairly say about him is that he has been careless in retweeting imagery that can be interpreted as offensive.

I read the Dana Schwartz piece that appeared on Observer.com. As always, there are thoughtful points but journalists, even those who work for me at the Observer, are not always right. While I respect her opinion, I want to show another side to explain why I disagree.

In my opinion, accusations like “racist” and “anti-Semite” are being thrown around with a carelessness that risks rendering these words meaningless.

If even the slightest infraction against what the speech police have deemed correct speech is instantly shouted down with taunts of “racist” then what is left to condemn the actual racists? What do we call the people who won’t hire minorities or beat others up for their religion?

This is not idle philosophy to me. I am the grandson of Holocaust survivors. On December 7, 1941—Pearl Harbor Day—the Nazis surrounded the ghetto of Novogroduk, and sorted the residents into two lines: those selected to die were put on the right; those who would live were put on the left. My grandmother’s sister, Esther, raced into a building to hide. A boy who had seen her running dragged her out and she was one of about 5100 Jews to be killed during this first slaughter of the Jews in Novogrudok. On the night before Rosh Hashana 1943, the 250 Jews who remained of the town’s 20,000 plotted an escape through a tunnel they had painstakingly dug beneath the fence. The searchlights were disabled and the Jews removed nails from the metal roof so that it would rattle in the wind and hopefully mask the sounds of the escaping prisoners.

My grandmother and her sister didn’t want to leave their father behind. They went to the back of the line to be near him. When the first Jews emerged from the tunnel, the Nazis were waiting for them and began shooting. My grandmother’s brother Chanon, for whom my father is named, was killed along with about 50 others. My grandmother made it to the woods, where she joined the Bielski Brigade of partisan resistance fighters. There she met my grandfather, who had escaped from a labor camp called Voritz. He had lived in a hole in the woods—a literal hole that he had dug—for three years, foraging for food, staying out of sight and sleeping in that hole for the duration of the brutal Russian winter.

I go into these details, which I have never discussed, because it’s important to me that people understand where I’m coming from when I report that I know the difference between actual, dangerous intolerance versus these labels that get tossed around in an effort to score political points.

The difference between me and the journalists and Twitter throngs who find it so convenient to dismiss my father in law is simple. I know him and they don’t.

It doesn’t take a ton of courage to join a mob. It’s actually the easiest thing to do. What’s a little harder is to weigh carefully a person’s actions over the course of a long and exceptionally distinguished career. The best lesson I have learned from watching this election from the front row is that we are all better off when we challenge what we believe to be truths and seek the people who disagree with us to try and understand their point of view.



The piece goes on but I don't want to make any bigger of a textwall than I already have.

Source
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 07 2016 20:30 GMT
#83805
On July 08 2016 05:19 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 05:15 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 08 2016 05:14 zlefin wrote:
Also, then they don't get to be called Mr President anymore. If you're not in office currently, you're referred to with the last title you had; so as long as they stay out of politics they get to be referred to as Mr President for the rest of their life.
Mostly I imagine they're just tired from having been in politics so long, and want to just focus on being retired, and/or do-gooding efforts less fettered by politics.


just only need to look at Obama's hair. he had a nice groom, which became all but pure white over 8 years

There is an amazing interview from the West Wing TV show where they talked to White House staffers, including the president’s “body man” which is basically a personally assistant. It is referred to as the hardest job in DC because they are the least qualified person who has to handle General, diplomats and senators. Sometimes very rudely if they are pissed at the president. On average they make it about 12 months and every single one of them had gray hair and they were all under 25.


There's a more recent NPR interview with Tony Hale who plays Gary in Veep

Link
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 07 2016 20:34 GMT
#83806
On July 08 2016 05:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
My father-in-law is not an anti-Semite.

It’s that simple, really. Donald Trump is not anti-Semitic and he’s not a racist. Despite the best efforts of his political opponents and a large swath of the media to hold Donald Trump accountable for the utterances of even the most fringe of his supporters—a standard to which no other candidate is ever held—the worst that his detractors can fairly say about him is that he has been careless in retweeting imagery that can be interpreted as offensive.

I read the Dana Schwartz piece that appeared on Observer.com. As always, there are thoughtful points but journalists, even those who work for me at the Observer, are not always right. While I respect her opinion, I want to show another side to explain why I disagree.

In my opinion, accusations like “racist” and “anti-Semite” are being thrown around with a carelessness that risks rendering these words meaningless.

If even the slightest infraction against what the speech police have deemed correct speech is instantly shouted down with taunts of “racist” then what is left to condemn the actual racists? What do we call the people who won’t hire minorities or beat others up for their religion?

This is not idle philosophy to me. I am the grandson of Holocaust survivors. On December 7, 1941—Pearl Harbor Day—the Nazis surrounded the ghetto of Novogroduk, and sorted the residents into two lines: those selected to die were put on the right; those who would live were put on the left. My grandmother’s sister, Esther, raced into a building to hide. A boy who had seen her running dragged her out and she was one of about 5100 Jews to be killed during this first slaughter of the Jews in Novogrudok. On the night before Rosh Hashana 1943, the 250 Jews who remained of the town’s 20,000 plotted an escape through a tunnel they had painstakingly dug beneath the fence. The searchlights were disabled and the Jews removed nails from the metal roof so that it would rattle in the wind and hopefully mask the sounds of the escaping prisoners.

My grandmother and her sister didn’t want to leave their father behind. They went to the back of the line to be near him. When the first Jews emerged from the tunnel, the Nazis were waiting for them and began shooting. My grandmother’s brother Chanon, for whom my father is named, was killed along with about 50 others. My grandmother made it to the woods, where she joined the Bielski Brigade of partisan resistance fighters. There she met my grandfather, who had escaped from a labor camp called Voritz. He had lived in a hole in the woods—a literal hole that he had dug—for three years, foraging for food, staying out of sight and sleeping in that hole for the duration of the brutal Russian winter.

I go into these details, which I have never discussed, because it’s important to me that people understand where I’m coming from when I report that I know the difference between actual, dangerous intolerance versus these labels that get tossed around in an effort to score political points.

The difference between me and the journalists and Twitter throngs who find it so convenient to dismiss my father in law is simple. I know him and they don’t.

It doesn’t take a ton of courage to join a mob. It’s actually the easiest thing to do. What’s a little harder is to weigh carefully a person’s actions over the course of a long and exceptionally distinguished career. The best lesson I have learned from watching this election from the front row is that we are all better off when we challenge what we believe to be truths and seek the people who disagree with us to try and understand their point of view.



Source


Trump's son-in-law under fire from family

Kushner, Ivanka Trump's husband, attempted to defend his father-in-law from what the campaign says is a journalistic mob driven by political correctness. In a piece published Wednesday, Kushner revealed his grandparents' story of survival during World War II because, he wrote, “it’s important to me that people understand where I’m coming from when I report that I know the difference between actual, dangerous intolerance versus these labels that get tossed around in an effort to score political points.”

But Kushner’s estranged relatives are angry about his decision to invoke their grandparents’ story as Holocaust survivors — and they let it be known on social media, complete with a few typos.

“I have a different take­away from my Grandparents' experience in the war,” Marc Kushner, a New York City-based architect and first cousin, wrote in a Facebook post Thursday morning with a link to his cousin’s Op-Ed. “It is our responsibility as the next generation to speak up against hate. Anti­semitism or otherwise.”

He also posted a link to a piece by Dana Schwartz, a Jewish woman who works for Jared Kushner at the New York Observer and who asked him point blank: “[H]ow do you allow this?”

Jacob Schulder, another cousin, went even further in a comment on Marc Kushner’s post, writing: “When an out of touch with reality nominee hires an out of touch with reality campaign manager, who is also a son­-in-­law, you get the BS Jared wrote. I don't think Trump is an anti­Semite; I think he's a lying idiot (among other things) with little to no experiences outside his teetering fiefdom of failed development projects, divorces, bankrupted sports leagues, fraudulent 'Universities' and golf courses (and the list keeps going). The very first thing a responsible campaign manager should do, I'd think, and I mean the very first thing, would be to take away his father-­in­-law's Twitter account. Even Joseph Kushner would've had the street smarts to figure that one out while living on boiled potatoes in the forest.”

He continued: “That my grandparents have been dragged into this is a shame. Thank you Jared for using something sacred and special to the descendants of Joe and Rae Kushner to validate the sloppy manner in which you've handled this campaign. From the references to 'Palestine' at the AIPAC conference (which got Donald jeered) to the justification of the itchy Twitter fingers your father­in­law has, you've managed to further prove what so many of us have known for many years. Kudos to you for having gone this far; no one expected this. But for the sake of the family name, which may have no meaning to you but still has meaning to others, please don't invoke our grandparents in vain just so you can sleep better at night. It is self serving and disgusting.”



Source
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:35:59
July 07 2016 20:35 GMT
#83807
On July 08 2016 05:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
My father-in-law is not an anti-Semite.

It’s that simple, really. Donald Trump is not anti-Semitic and he’s not a racist. Despite the best efforts of his political opponents and a large swath of the media to hold Donald Trump accountable for the utterances of even the most fringe of his supporters—a standard to which no other candidate is ever held—the worst that his detractors can fairly say about him is that he has been careless in retweeting imagery that can be interpreted as offensive.

I read the Dana Schwartz piece that appeared on Observer.com. As always, there are thoughtful points but journalists, even those who work for me at the Observer, are not always right. While I respect her opinion, I want to show another side to explain why I disagree.

In my opinion, accusations like “racist” and “anti-Semite” are being thrown around with a carelessness that risks rendering these words meaningless.

If even the slightest infraction against what the speech police have deemed correct speech is instantly shouted down with taunts of “racist” then what is left to condemn the actual racists? What do we call the people who won’t hire minorities or beat others up for their religion?

This is not idle philosophy to me. I am the grandson of Holocaust survivors. On December 7, 1941—Pearl Harbor Day—the Nazis surrounded the ghetto of Novogroduk, and sorted the residents into two lines: those selected to die were put on the right; those who would live were put on the left. My grandmother’s sister, Esther, raced into a building to hide. A boy who had seen her running dragged her out and she was one of about 5100 Jews to be killed during this first slaughter of the Jews in Novogrudok. On the night before Rosh Hashana 1943, the 250 Jews who remained of the town’s 20,000 plotted an escape through a tunnel they had painstakingly dug beneath the fence. The searchlights were disabled and the Jews removed nails from the metal roof so that it would rattle in the wind and hopefully mask the sounds of the escaping prisoners.


Source


His family was not please that he used them as an example to support Trump. Apparently he has spoken to them in 10 years. Woops.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/jared-kushner-family-trump-holocaust-225210

Edit: Beaten to the punch. Poor guy, can't catch a break. Luck he is richer than I will ever be.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
July 07 2016 20:35 GMT
#83808
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:40:35
July 07 2016 20:39 GMT
#83809
delete doublepost
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 07 2016 20:40 GMT
#83810
On July 08 2016 05:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 05:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
My father-in-law is not an anti-Semite.

It’s that simple, really. Donald Trump is not anti-Semitic and he’s not a racist. Despite the best efforts of his political opponents and a large swath of the media to hold Donald Trump accountable for the utterances of even the most fringe of his supporters—a standard to which no other candidate is ever held—the worst that his detractors can fairly say about him is that he has been careless in retweeting imagery that can be interpreted as offensive.

I read the Dana Schwartz piece that appeared on Observer.com. As always, there are thoughtful points but journalists, even those who work for me at the Observer, are not always right. While I respect her opinion, I want to show another side to explain why I disagree.

In my opinion, accusations like “racist” and “anti-Semite” are being thrown around with a carelessness that risks rendering these words meaningless.

If even the slightest infraction against what the speech police have deemed correct speech is instantly shouted down with taunts of “racist” then what is left to condemn the actual racists? What do we call the people who won’t hire minorities or beat others up for their religion?

This is not idle philosophy to me. I am the grandson of Holocaust survivors. On December 7, 1941—Pearl Harbor Day—the Nazis surrounded the ghetto of Novogroduk, and sorted the residents into two lines: those selected to die were put on the right; those who would live were put on the left. My grandmother’s sister, Esther, raced into a building to hide. A boy who had seen her running dragged her out and she was one of about 5100 Jews to be killed during this first slaughter of the Jews in Novogrudok. On the night before Rosh Hashana 1943, the 250 Jews who remained of the town’s 20,000 plotted an escape through a tunnel they had painstakingly dug beneath the fence. The searchlights were disabled and the Jews removed nails from the metal roof so that it would rattle in the wind and hopefully mask the sounds of the escaping prisoners.

My grandmother and her sister didn’t want to leave their father behind. They went to the back of the line to be near him. When the first Jews emerged from the tunnel, the Nazis were waiting for them and began shooting. My grandmother’s brother Chanon, for whom my father is named, was killed along with about 50 others. My grandmother made it to the woods, where she joined the Bielski Brigade of partisan resistance fighters. There she met my grandfather, who had escaped from a labor camp called Voritz. He had lived in a hole in the woods—a literal hole that he had dug—for three years, foraging for food, staying out of sight and sleeping in that hole for the duration of the brutal Russian winter.

I go into these details, which I have never discussed, because it’s important to me that people understand where I’m coming from when I report that I know the difference between actual, dangerous intolerance versus these labels that get tossed around in an effort to score political points.

The difference between me and the journalists and Twitter throngs who find it so convenient to dismiss my father in law is simple. I know him and they don’t.

It doesn’t take a ton of courage to join a mob. It’s actually the easiest thing to do. What’s a little harder is to weigh carefully a person’s actions over the course of a long and exceptionally distinguished career. The best lesson I have learned from watching this election from the front row is that we are all better off when we challenge what we believe to be truths and seek the people who disagree with us to try and understand their point of view.



Source


Show nested quote +
Trump's son-in-law under fire from family

Kushner, Ivanka Trump's husband, attempted to defend his father-in-law from what the campaign says is a journalistic mob driven by political correctness. In a piece published Wednesday, Kushner revealed his grandparents' story of survival during World War II because, he wrote, “it’s important to me that people understand where I’m coming from when I report that I know the difference between actual, dangerous intolerance versus these labels that get tossed around in an effort to score political points.”

But Kushner’s estranged relatives are angry about his decision to invoke their grandparents’ story as Holocaust survivors — and they let it be known on social media, complete with a few typos.

“I have a different take­away from my Grandparents' experience in the war,” Marc Kushner, a New York City-based architect and first cousin, wrote in a Facebook post Thursday morning with a link to his cousin’s Op-Ed. “It is our responsibility as the next generation to speak up against hate. Anti­semitism or otherwise.”

He also posted a link to a piece by Dana Schwartz, a Jewish woman who works for Jared Kushner at the New York Observer and who asked him point blank: “[H]ow do you allow this?”

Jacob Schulder, another cousin, went even further in a comment on Marc Kushner’s post, writing: “When an out of touch with reality nominee hires an out of touch with reality campaign manager, who is also a son­-in-­law, you get the BS Jared wrote. I don't think Trump is an anti­Semite; I think he's a lying idiot (among other things) with little to no experiences outside his teetering fiefdom of failed development projects, divorces, bankrupted sports leagues, fraudulent 'Universities' and golf courses (and the list keeps going). The very first thing a responsible campaign manager should do, I'd think, and I mean the very first thing, would be to take away his father-­in­-law's Twitter account. Even Joseph Kushner would've had the street smarts to figure that one out while living on boiled potatoes in the forest.”

He continued: “That my grandparents have been dragged into this is a shame. Thank you Jared for using something sacred and special to the descendants of Joe and Rae Kushner to validate the sloppy manner in which you've handled this campaign. From the references to 'Palestine' at the AIPAC conference (which got Donald jeered) to the justification of the itchy Twitter fingers your father­in­law has, you've managed to further prove what so many of us have known for many years. Kudos to you for having gone this far; no one expected this. But for the sake of the family name, which may have no meaning to you but still has meaning to others, please don't invoke our grandparents in vain just so you can sleep better at night. It is self serving and disgusting.”



Source


I definitely think Jared's piece is much more intellectually honest and meaningful -shrug-
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 07 2016 20:41 GMT
#83811
Wikileaks goes on the offensive

The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:46:22
July 07 2016 20:42 GMT
#83812
On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty?


The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job.

On July 08 2016 05:41 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wikileaks goes on the offensive

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/751153144856514560


Does this actually change anything?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 07 2016 20:46 GMT
#83813
I have actually met the Kushner brothers. They are decent people, though Josh thinks he's Steve Jobs.

It must be noted that their family's wealth does result in an insulated worldview. When you have a million dollars, problems like racism aren't as bad for you. When you have a billion dollars though, you don't have the same problems as normal people. I don't think Jared has a good perspective of what ordinary Jews (which his relatives seem to be) feel about Trump, who is no doubt a decent father-in-law to him.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 07 2016 20:50 GMT
#83814
On July 08 2016 05:41 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wikileaks goes on the offensive

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/751153144856514560
The security on those servers is going to bite her in the butt.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:52:11
July 07 2016 20:51 GMT
#83815
On July 08 2016 05:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
I have actually met the Kushner brothers. They are decent people, though Josh thinks he's Steve Jobs.

It must be noted that their family's wealth does result in an insulated worldview. When you have a million dollars, problems like racism aren't as bad for you. When you have a billion dollars though, you don't have the same problems as normal people. I don't think Jared has a good perspective of what ordinary Jews (which his relatives seem to be) feel about Trump, who is no doubt a decent father-in-law to him.


Most of the Jews I know (who are admittedly from ex-Soviet/Ashkenazi roots) are pro-Trump. Or better to say, anti-Dem and very severely anti-Clinton. The more liberal Jews of Western roots are probably much less so fans of Trump.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 20:53:54
July 07 2016 20:53 GMT
#83816
On July 08 2016 05:50 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 05:41 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wikileaks goes on the offensive

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/751153144856514560
The security on those servers is going to bite her in the butt.

Basically what I got from listening to the committee hearing was, "we can't charge Hillary for negligence or perjury because we can't prove she isn't just a moron who doesn't understand (C) markings."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
July 07 2016 20:53 GMT
#83817
On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty?


The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 05:41 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wikileaks goes on the offensive

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/751153144856514560


Does this actually change anything?


That wasn't my question though?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 07 2016 20:56 GMT
#83818
On July 08 2016 05:53 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 05:50 Danglars wrote:
On July 08 2016 05:41 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wikileaks goes on the offensive

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/751153144856514560
The security on those servers is going to bite her in the butt.

Basically what I got from listening to the committee hearing was, "we can't charge Hillary for negligence or perjury because we can't prove she isn't just a moron who doesn't understand (C) markings."

Such a ringing endorsement! In my world, I'd completely annihilate a defendant pleading ignorance on something that they should know.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 07 2016 20:56 GMT
#83819
On July 08 2016 05:51 LegalLord wrote:
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On July 08 2016 05:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
I have actually met the Kushner brothers. They are decent people, though Josh thinks he's Steve Jobs.

It must be noted that their family's wealth does result in an insulated worldview. When you have a million dollars, problems like racism aren't as bad for you. When you have a billion dollars though, you don't have the same problems as normal people. I don't think Jared has a good perspective of what ordinary Jews (which his relatives seem to be) feel about Trump, who is no doubt a decent father-in-law to him.


Most of the Jews I know (who are admittedly from ex-Soviet/Ashkenazi roots) are pro-Trump. Or better to say, anti-Dem and very severely anti-Clinton. The more liberal Jews of Western roots are probably much less so fans of Trump.


Perhaps so, but it would seem that the latter group far outnumber the former at least according to Gallup which has Clinton at +25 and Trump at -48
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 07 2016 20:59 GMT
#83820
On July 08 2016 05:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On July 08 2016 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
People who defend the police, and more importantly defend the legal process that follows, I have to ask. What percentage of killings/complaints of abuse by police do you think there is no wrong doing worthy of criminal penalty?


The vast majority of police are just ordinary people doing their job.


Honestly I think this is part of the problem. Being a cop is basically a job that no one is really qualified to do and no person in their right mind would want. What person really wants to wield that kind of power? I think the fact that we have a lot of very ordinary people doing a job that is extraordinary in nature leads to a ton of problems. The average Joe just isn't cut out for that line of work and yet they're out there doing it anyway and when the rubber meets the road weak people crumble and the shit hits the fan. To do the job properly calls for extraordinary people.
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