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I can't defend Trump on this -shrug-
Granted I browsed /pol a few months ago for a short time and I don't consider myself a white supremacist. I was interested mostly in the anti-PC culture but it did have some pretty absurdly racist threads that I wasn't interested in.
Best-case scenario it isn't any different and he's there for the more moderate elements of the board for the pro-conservative shitposting. I'm not sure if 8chan has those or not though. Worst-case maybe he is a closet-racist (though this in no way takes away from the vast majority of arguments made by the MSM about racism).
I'm not going to deny racism when I see it. /pol/ had a relatively large-sized crowd that could only be described as 'racist'.
Not that this criticism which sticks is unique to him however, given the Clintons praised a KKK member as a close friend and mentor.
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On July 08 2016 04:32 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:31 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2016 04:28 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 08 2016 04:27 Plansix wrote:
My understanding is 8chan came from people who found 4chan to be to heavily moderated. On a side note, you can’t use some archive sites on 8chan because of “the risk of child pornography being archived in error.” It is the dumpster fire within a dumpster fire of the internet. yup. people flocked to 8ch back in 2013 when there was evidence floating around that moot hired SJW mods to police pol. My understanding was that the mods started cracking down due to the very real threat of the owner of 4chan being brought up on charges for the shit going on. I know 8chan became known in the MA legal field for releasing the person information of 8 state police officers and a federal judge, including social security numbers. The harsh reality that maybe some of the people on those sites are bad people. /baph/ actually did real doxing? interesting
Yeah, back in 2015.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/notorious-8chan-subboard-has-history-wiped-after-federal-judges-doxing/
Of course it was taken down once people started writing stories about it. The owner of 8chan doesn’t live in the US, unlike Moot of 4chan. But from my understanding, it was shit like this that started got the 4chan mods to start cracking down.
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On July 08 2016 04:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I can't defend Trump on this -shrug-
Granted I browsed /pol a few months ago for a short time and I don't consider myself a white supremacist. I was interested mostly in the anti-PC culture but it did have some pretty absurdly racist threads that I wasn't interested as much in.
Best-case scenario it isn't any different and he's there for the more moderate elements of the board for the pro-conservative shitposting. I'm not sure if 8chan has those or not though. Worst-case maybe he is a closet-racist.
Not like this criticism is unique to him however, given the Clintons praised a KKK member as a close friend and mentor.
there was a post 9 months ago on 8ch by a guy who claimed that he pitched 8ch pol to trump's campaign as a usable website for information gathering, which was then accepted according to him. Whether or not that guy was telling the truth cant be proven since he didnt demonstrate proof, but 8ch was then blasted with trump ads for the next couple of weeks.
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I'm trying to remember the last time the target of an FBI investigation never had to testify under oath, but the FBI director did.
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On July 08 2016 04:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:32 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 08 2016 04:31 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2016 04:28 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 08 2016 04:27 Plansix wrote:
My understanding is 8chan came from people who found 4chan to be to heavily moderated. On a side note, you can’t use some archive sites on 8chan because of “the risk of child pornography being archived in error.” It is the dumpster fire within a dumpster fire of the internet. yup. people flocked to 8ch back in 2013 when there was evidence floating around that moot hired SJW mods to police pol. My understanding was that the mods started cracking down due to the very real threat of the owner of 4chan being brought up on charges for the shit going on. I know 8chan became known in the MA legal field for releasing the person information of 8 state police officers and a federal judge, including social security numbers. The harsh reality that maybe some of the people on those sites are bad people. /baph/ actually did real doxing? interesting Yeah, back in 2015. http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/notorious-8chan-subboard-has-history-wiped-after-federal-judges-doxing/Of course it was taken down once people started writing stories about it. The owner of 8chan doesn’t live in the US, unlike Moot of 4chan. But from my understanding, it was shit like this that started got the 4chan mods to start cracking down.
i wouldnt doubt it.
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On July 08 2016 04:22 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:19 Falling wrote:On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.
If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.
And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard. This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to. If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has. I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not. So I can go look at what the accounts are tweeting And what he retweeted. Unfortunately, it seems that a number of these twitter accounts have been deleted since then. I wish news organizations would screencap or archive a little more often rather than create links that end up becoming dead links. There's a couple screencaps here- the white genocide phrase is a standout in my mind. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/03/3795294/3-white-supremacists-twitter-inspire-donald-trump/ the white genocide is a copy pasta thrown around the chans.
It may also be a copy pasta, but it's one based around white supremacy... or should I say white nationalism? It's also not the exclusive domain of the chans trying to be edgy, but an actual set of beliefs (and perhaps even held unironically by members within the chan community, it's impossible to tell intent.)
Not that this criticism which sticks is unique to him however, given the Clintons praised a KKK member as a close friend and mentor.
Wasn't that the former KKK member that just died? Or was that someone else? There's a very large difference between lauding a person the came out of racism because they changed and signal boosting people that currently are racist. (Although I seem to recall someone on this thread arguing that a racist could not truly change, which I did not and do not agree. I believe people can change.)
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On July 08 2016 04:36 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I can't defend Trump on this -shrug-
Granted I browsed /pol a few months ago for a short time and I don't consider myself a white supremacist. I was interested mostly in the anti-PC culture but it did have some pretty absurdly racist threads that I wasn't interested as much in.
Best-case scenario it isn't any different and he's there for the more moderate elements of the board for the pro-conservative shitposting. I'm not sure if 8chan has those or not though. Worst-case maybe he is a closet-racist.
Not like this criticism is unique to him however, given the Clintons praised a KKK member as a close friend and mentor. there was a post 9 months ago on 8ch by a guy who claimed that he pitched 8ch pol to trump's campaign as a usable website for information gathering, which was then accepted according to him. Whether or not that guy was telling the truth cant be proven since he didnt demonstrate proof, but 8ch was then blasted with trump ads for the next couple of weeks.
I've never been to 8ch and it's probably blocked in my current country since 4chan is. In-of-itself drawing material from there isn't necessarily damning if he's just there for pro-conservative shitposting for campaigning. It's definitely not something I'm going to defend him on or vouch for the giving the benefit-of-the-doubt like I would many of the other things.
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On July 08 2016 04:38 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:22 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 08 2016 04:19 Falling wrote:On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.
If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.
And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard. This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to. If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has. I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not. So I can go look at what the accounts are tweeting And what he retweeted. Unfortunately, it seems that a number of these twitter accounts have been deleted since then. I wish news organizations would screencap or archive a little more often rather than create links that end up becoming dead links. There's a couple screencaps here- the white genocide phrase is a standout in my mind. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/03/3795294/3-white-supremacists-twitter-inspire-donald-trump/ the white genocide is a copy pasta thrown around the chans. It may also be a copy pasta, but it's one based around white supremacy... or should I say white nationalism? It's also not the exclusive domain of the chans trying to be edgy, but an actual set of beliefs (and perhaps even held unironically by members within the chan community, it's impossible to tell intent.)
its legit belief held
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On July 08 2016 04:38 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:22 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 08 2016 04:19 Falling wrote:On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.
If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.
And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard. This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to. If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has. I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not. So I can go look at what the accounts are tweeting And what he retweeted. Unfortunately, it seems that a number of these twitter accounts have been deleted since then. I wish news organizations would screencap or archive a little more often rather than create links that end up becoming dead links. There's a couple screencaps here- the white genocide phrase is a standout in my mind. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/03/3795294/3-white-supremacists-twitter-inspire-donald-trump/ the white genocide is a copy pasta thrown around the chans. It may also be a copy pasta, but it's one based around white supremacy... or should I say white nationalism? It's also not the exclusive domain of the chans trying to be edgy, but an actual set of beliefs (and perhaps even held unironically by members within the chan community, it's impossible to tell intent.)
You've probably got a combination of nationalists and then the more radical racists both viewing the same material for different reasons.
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On July 08 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:38 Falling wrote:On July 08 2016 04:22 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 08 2016 04:19 Falling wrote:On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.
If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.
And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard. This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to. If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has. I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not. So I can go look at what the accounts are tweeting And what he retweeted. Unfortunately, it seems that a number of these twitter accounts have been deleted since then. I wish news organizations would screencap or archive a little more often rather than create links that end up becoming dead links. There's a couple screencaps here- the white genocide phrase is a standout in my mind. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/03/3795294/3-white-supremacists-twitter-inspire-donald-trump/ the white genocide is a copy pasta thrown around the chans. It may also be a copy pasta, but it's one based around white supremacy... or should I say white nationalism? It's also not the exclusive domain of the chans trying to be edgy, but an actual set of beliefs (and perhaps even held unironically by members within the chan community, it's impossible to tell intent.) You've probably got a combination of nationalists and then the more radical racists both viewing the same material for different reasons.
yup; you got natsocs, fascists, NRx, traditionalists, some moderates. No communists since they have their own containment board at /leftypol/
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On July 08 2016 04:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 04:17 zlefin wrote:
It explains why it was funny?
Daily show is a news source, and sadly, does better journalism than a fair number of other places. If you get your news from comedians, well... your views are literally a joke Daily Show is almost as biased as John Oliver. It can have its moments of funny but the vast majority of it is just pandering to an echochamber audience.
that's just nonsense. You're just using the ad hominems to ignore evidence you don't like. They do have biases, and admit to them, but they also do a fair bit of good journalism. It's also very funny (or at least was when Stewart as at the helm).
Your refusal to acknowledge that is just your own bias and cognitive dissonance showing. You accuse others of those things, yet you yourself show them all too often, and you don't seem to admit the extent to which they color your own views.
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The thing is that you have to really question a presidential campaign retweeting stuff from that board several times, because called out on it, and doing it again. And then mass deleting accounts once a lot of news agencies caught on.
And then there was the Vanity Faire interview from a couple decades ago where Trump’s then wife talked about him reading Hitler’s speeches all the time. And him praising dictators so often. And he talks about journalist being disloyal. And questions the support of senators that disagree with him on some of his more crazy ideas. At some point it becomes impossible to ignore Occam's razor.
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is it me or does Mr. McCollough look similar to alex baldwin?
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just to be clear on this
Intelligence Community Inspector General McCullough and his staff had to be specifically read in to the SAPs to be allowed to read the emails that Hillary gave underlings/lawyers access to?
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I wonder why most presidents don't care to stay in public office. It would be useful to have GWB and Obama serving as senators.
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On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.
If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.
And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard. This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.
The left doesn't haul him in front of countless hearings, they just make fun of him and point out when he is being inconsistent, dishonest, or just plain nuts.
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On July 08 2016 05:02 oBlade wrote:
I wonder why most presidents don't care to stay in public office. It would be useful to have GWB and Obama serving as senators.
In politics there's a pretty consistent pattern of "going backwards" in politics being looked at as shameful.
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Also, then they don't get to be called Mr President anymore. If you're not in office currently, you're referred to with the last title you had; so as long as they stay out of politics they get to be referred to as Mr President for the rest of their life.
Mostly I imagine they're just tired from having been in politics so long, and want to just focus on being retired, and/or do-gooding efforts less fettered by politics.
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On July 08 2016 05:14 zlefin wrote:
Also, then they don't get to be called Mr President anymore. If you're not in office currently, you're referred to with the last title you had; so as long as they stay out of politics they get to be referred to as Mr President for the rest of their life.
Mostly I imagine they're just tired from having been in politics so long, and want to just focus on being retired, and/or do-gooding efforts less fettered by politics.
just only need to look at Obama's hair. he had a nice groom, which became all but pure white over 8 years
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On July 08 2016 05:15 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 05:14 zlefin wrote:
Also, then they don't get to be called Mr President anymore. If you're not in office currently, you're referred to with the last title you had; so as long as they stay out of politics they get to be referred to as Mr President for the rest of their life.
Mostly I imagine they're just tired from having been in politics so long, and want to just focus on being retired, and/or do-gooding efforts less fettered by politics. just only need to look at Obama's hair. he had a nice groom, which became all but pure white over 8 years
There is an amazing interview from the West Wing TV show where they talked to White House staffers, including the president’s “body man” which is basically a personally assistant. It is referred to as the hardest job in DC because they are the least qualified person who has to handle General, diplomats and senators. Sometimes very rudely if they are pissed at the president. On average they make it about 12 months and every single one of them had gray hair and they were all under 25.
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