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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious.
Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 07 2016 18:39 GMT
#83741
On July 08 2016 03:36 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.


Irrelevant shit post but this thread is proof for the level of mental gymnastics people have to do to maintain their perspectives and avoid cognitive dissonance. It's amazing, I've learned argument with the purpose of changing someone's mind is utterly fruitless


How is it irrelevant the last 5 posts from him have been about how unfair Clinton is being treated and such a 'high standard' she's being held to.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
July 07 2016 18:41 GMT
#83742
Wait, now there's a second panel? lol
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 07 2016 18:41 GMT
#83743
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 07 2016 18:43 GMT
#83744
On July 08 2016 03:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Wait, now there's a second panel? lol


my benghazi over/under is starting to look like a real bet vs. a joke
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 07 2016 18:43 GMT
#83745
On July 08 2016 03:41 Mohdoo wrote:
Wait, now there's a second panel? lol


7 hours, 2 sessions
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 18:47:18
July 07 2016 18:44 GMT
#83746
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

So I can go look at what the accounts are tweeting

And what he retweeted.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 07 2016 18:45 GMT
#83747
On July 08 2016 03:36 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.


Irrelevant shit post but this thread is proof for the level of mental gymnastics people have to do to maintain their perspectives and avoid cognitive dissonance. It's amazing, I've learned argument with the purpose of changing someone's mind is utterly fruitless

argument on the internet often doens't work certainly; often people aren't interested in changing or willing to listen. A few are, they're more liekly to lurk and post less. Of course, a lot of people also argue that someone else is wrong when they themselves are the one who is wrong, and are arguing from a false case that they wrongly believe to be sound.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21684 Posts
July 07 2016 18:45 GMT
#83748
On July 08 2016 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/751090691002949632

The correct answer being "Is it reasonable she missed 3 paragraphs in 60k emails? yes it is reasonable to miss that".
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 07 2016 18:47 GMT
#83749
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.


Also just look at the line of reasoning op uses. If a white supremacist tweeted 2 plus 2 equals 4, and I retweet that, somehow I am now pro white supremacy. Once you throw a label on someone, discussion is over. It's just another form of censorship.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21684 Posts
July 07 2016 18:47 GMT
#83750
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

The David star corrupt Hillary twitter picture originated from a neo-nazi board where it was posted hours before the tweet was send out.

Google can probably provide more evidence of that if you want it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 07 2016 18:48 GMT
#83751
On July 08 2016 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/751090691002949632


'I think it's possible she didn't know what a C meant like that'

-facepalm-
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 07 2016 18:49 GMT
#83752
On July 08 2016 03:47 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

The David star corrupt Hillary twitter picture originated from a neo-nazi board where it was posted hours before the tweet was send out.

Google can probably provide more evidence of that if you want it.


TIL im a neo-nazi
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 18:51:30
July 07 2016 18:50 GMT
#83753
On July 08 2016 03:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/751090691002949632

The correct answer being "Is it reasonable she missed 3 paragraphs in 60k emails? yes it is reasonable to miss that".


Followup, can you possibly make an indictment for a charge that requires KNOWING INTENT TO DISSEMINATE based on those 3 missed "C"s? The answer is no, not even close. Which is why the FBI investigators unanimously recommended against prosecution.

EDIT: Comey's initial remarks were a grand gift to the Republicans. The Republicans have looked that gift in the mouth and have dashed it all. Foolishness.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21684 Posts
July 07 2016 18:52 GMT
#83754
On July 08 2016 03:49 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

The David star corrupt Hillary twitter picture originated from a neo-nazi board where it was posted hours before the tweet was send out.

Google can probably provide more evidence of that if you want it.


TIL im a neo-nazi

totally that, there have been no links earlier in this thread to 'journalists' who found it.
+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 18:53 GMT
#83755
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

So I can go look at what the accounts are tweeting

And what he retweeted.

It was so prevalent that the Daily Show did an entire segment on it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 18:55:49
July 07 2016 18:55 GMT
#83756
On July 08 2016 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:49 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

The David star corrupt Hillary twitter picture originated from a neo-nazi board where it was posted hours before the tweet was send out.

Google can probably provide more evidence of that if you want it.


TIL im a neo-nazi

totally that, there have been no links earlier in this thread to 'journalists' who found it.
+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


i actually frequent that board. in fact, im on it right now
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 18:58 GMT
#83757
On July 08 2016 03:55 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:49 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

The David star corrupt Hillary twitter picture originated from a neo-nazi board where it was posted hours before the tweet was send out.

Google can probably provide more evidence of that if you want it.


TIL im a neo-nazi

totally that, there have been no links earlier in this thread to 'journalists' who found it.
+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


i actually frequent that board. in fact, im on it right now

Are you also running for president?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 07 2016 18:59 GMT
#83758
On July 08 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 03:55 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:52 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:49 amazingxkcd wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:47 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 03:30 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Could there please be an acknowledgment of the impossible standard HRC is being held to here? Maybe she spun too hard is saying her server set up was super above board (the IT guys all signed off on it at the time, no one complained). But compare that to even one sentence from Trump, or a few sentences from Gowdy or Chaffetz. Trump can't finish a sentence without a blatant falsehood that he should have known better. The best "Hillary lied' argument left is that there were 2-3 emails that had "C" in the boddy that she missed when she said "I didn't sent marked classified emails". Note that these may have been misclassified as indicated by the State department.

If you didn't hate Hillary, then you would see that as an honest mistake.

And if you insist on holding Hillary to the standard of not just honest effort in trying to say the truth to her best recollection (remember we talking about 4 year old server configurations and emails), but to absolute truth in all statement irrespective of error, then you must hold the Republicans to the same standard.


This post is so ironic considering the standard the left holds Trump to.

If he could stop following white supremacists on twitter and retweeting their shit over and over, it would be a good start. Well he did stop following two of them after a reporter wrote a story about it. But I get it, it’s a really common problem that no one really has.


I'd be interested in a source on this and if they're actually white supremacists or not.

The David star corrupt Hillary twitter picture originated from a neo-nazi board where it was posted hours before the tweet was send out.

Google can probably provide more evidence of that if you want it.


TIL im a neo-nazi

totally that, there have been no links earlier in this thread to 'journalists' who found it.
+ Show Spoiler +
/sarcasm


i actually frequent that board. in fact, im on it right now

Are you also running for president?


do i look like i got a small loan of a couple million dollars?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13927 Posts
July 07 2016 19:02 GMT
#83759
I'm running for president right now.

Its not going to well i'm not going to lie.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 07 2016 19:03 GMT
#83760
On July 08 2016 04:02 Sermokala wrote:
I'm running for president right now.

Its not going to well i'm not going to lie.


It's not going well because you're not lying.
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