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Also, trying to negatively characterize a candidate because of a racists supporter misses the obvious correlation that racists in America are generally fiscally conservative, and huge 2nd amendment supporters. Guess which side is consistently going to grab the racist votes? It'd be like trying to characterize all of Bernie's supporters as SJW BLM cucks, which clearly isn't the case, despite the crazy antics from the extreme left.
No. I characterize trump as a racist because his statements, not his supporters. They just support my opinion.
Believe me when i say that i formed my opinion by watching debates, rather than watching xDaunt/oBlade argue with GreenHorizons. With a bit of ticklishmusic(?) sprinkled in.
I btw do believe that Bernie supporters in general are "more socially just". At least the vocal ones.
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On March 12 2016 14:14 Plansix wrote:
Unironic use of SJW and cuck, we have come full 4chan. Its time for bed.
Unironic use of bigot and racist in a massive majority favorite candidate. It's time to riot in Chicago.
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On March 12 2016 14:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 14:14 Plansix wrote:
Unironic use of SJW and cuck, we have come full 4chan. Its time for bed. Unironic use of bigot and racist in a massive majority favorite candidate. It's time to riot in Chicago.
Racists and bigots have been popular before. They have been nominated by parties and voted into office. Trump is nothing that new, just something the US hasn't had to deal with in a while.
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On March 12 2016 14:14 Plansix wrote:
Unironic use of SJW and cuck, we have come full 4chan. Its time for bed.
A lot of 4Chan users are smarter than some TL users.
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On March 12 2016 14:20 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 14:14 Plansix wrote:
Unironic use of SJW and cuck, we have come full 4chan. Its time for bed. A lot of 4Chan users are smarter than some TL users.
That's for sure.
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On March 12 2016 13:53 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 13:51 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:42 m4ini wrote:On March 12 2016 13:40 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2016 13:39 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:28 m4ini wrote:On March 12 2016 13:19 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2016 13:17 wei2coolman wrote:On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote:
Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump. I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape? The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared. Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds. This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect. Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. What does that picture mean to you? This is the part where OBlade plays dumb and asks leading questions. Its the fucking Nazi salute. Best part is, he knows i'm german. And i do know what he's trying, so i can't be arsed to even react to it. That was a speck conceited - I don't know where you're from. I am sincerely asking your interpretation of the picture and what you think is its significance. What do you think she was doing if not a nazi salute?
I didn't say I knew what she was doing. I have no idea what's going on in the picture or what its context is. These are some things I notice, in general:
-The photo is in black and white, like everything that account has posted, to try and evoke profundity
-She's engaged with the gentleman on the left
-There's something (sweat?) under her armpit and possibly on her hand, or maybe it's an optical illusion, from the black and white I can't tell exactly
-The pic is posted without any regard to context
With this information, I can think of some plausible backgrounds for the photo:
-The photo is staged (she has an extraordinary amount of Trump flair)
-She is showing the shit on her hand (which may not even be there)
-They are having any kind of conversation about the "raise your right hand" pledge (which any elementary schooler does daily) which the media has already made clickbait out of, in which context it'd be expected the gesture would come up
-The woman is mocking/defying them in a badgering contest (like the flag-trampling protesters a few page ago mockingly shouting "white power")
-The woman is an ardent Third Reich sympathizer, which, while unfortunate, I don't think "Old Woman is Racist" is super historic even in this case.
I have no prior reason to care about the pic, not knowing any of the people in it, so I was just wondering about how people already crafted strong perspectives on it and if there are really any implications to it.
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On March 12 2016 14:26 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 13:53 kwizach wrote:On March 12 2016 13:51 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:42 m4ini wrote:On March 12 2016 13:40 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2016 13:39 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:28 m4ini wrote:On March 12 2016 13:19 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2016 13:17 wei2coolman wrote:On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote:
Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump. I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape? The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared. Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds. https://twitter.com/ejwamb/status/708493054060040192This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect. Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. What does that picture mean to you? This is the part where OBlade plays dumb and asks leading questions. Its the fucking Nazi salute. Best part is, he knows i'm german. And i do know what he's trying, so i can't be arsed to even react to it. That was a speck conceited - I don't know where you're from. I am sincerely asking your interpretation of the picture and what you think is its significance. What do you think she was doing if not a nazi salute? I didn't say I knew what she was doing. I have no idea what's going on in the picture or what its context is. These are some things I notice, in general: -The photo is in black and white, like everything that account has posted, to try and evoke profundity -She's engaged with the gentleman on the left -There's something (sweat?) under her armpit and possibly on her hand, or maybe it's an optical illusion, from the black and white I can't tell exactly -The pic is posted without any regard to context With this information, I can think of some plausible backgrounds for the photo: -The photo is staged (she has an extraordinary amount of Trump flair) -She is showing the shit on her hand (which may not even be there) -They are having any kind of conversation about the "raise your right hand" pledge (which any elementary schooler does daily) which the media has already made clickbait out of, in which context it'd be expected the gesture would come up -The woman is mocking/defying them in a badgering contest (like the flag-trampling protesters a few page ago mockingly shouting "white power") -The woman is an ardent Third Reich sympathizer, which, while unfortunate, I don't think "Old Woman is Racist" is super historic even in this case. I have no prior reason to care about the pic, not knowing any of the people in it, so I was just wondering about how people already crafted strong perspectives on it and if there are really any implications to it.
What strong perspectives? That woman is doing a Nazi salute, as the photo clearly shows. Is it a "strong perspective" to state that?
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I'd take these Hitler/Nazi accusations more seriously if it weren't the oldest stupid smear in the book.
It's easier to find an important public figure that has NOT been likened to Hitler for some action or other.
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Could be staged or she could just be a fruit loop.
Sad thing is people defending the thugs who stopped Trumps speech.The same crap has been going on for a few years now on college campuses where anyone who doesnt have a hard left view is either outright banned or protested.
Here's one from Rutgers last month but i've been hearing even former left wings icons Richard Dawkins and Germaine Greer have had similar treatment recently.A very worrying trend. http://www.dailytargum.com/article/2016/02/rutgers-students-protest-journalist-milo-yiannopouloss-visit-to-campus
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On March 12 2016 14:41 LegalLord wrote:
I'd take these Hitler/Nazi accusations more seriously if it weren't the oldest stupid smear in the book.
It's easier to find an important public figure that has NOT been likened to Hitler for some action or other.
I think people get confused with the comparison to Hitler's rise to power and what he did with it. No question Trump's campaign resembles Hitler's rise to power (though there are plenty of differences). What he would do with it is a separate issue imo.
This won't be the last Trump rally to go like this though. He'll have to avoid any major cities north of the Mason-Dixon line if he doesn't want it to happen again.
ROFLMAO @ "thugs who stopped Trump's rally" I guess since it wasn't just some young women he couldn't show his superior strength... Or go out into the crowd punching protesters like he'd like to do.
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I don't know about civil war, but it's just a realignment of beliefs. It's no longer just right vs left, liberal vs conservative.
It's become more about libertarian vs authoritarian.
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On March 12 2016 15:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 14:41 LegalLord wrote:
I'd take these Hitler/Nazi accusations more seriously if it weren't the oldest stupid smear in the book.
It's easier to find an important public figure that has NOT been likened to Hitler for some action or other. I think people get confused with the comparison to Hitler's rise to power and what he did with it. No question Trump's campaign resembles Hitler's rise to power (though there are plenty of differences). What he would do with it is a separate issue imo. This won't be the last Trump rally to go like this though. He'll have to avoid any major cities north of the Mason-Dixon line if he doesn't want it to happen again. ROFLMAO @ "thugs who stopped Trump's rally" I guess since it wasn't just some young women he couldn't show his superior strength... Or go out into the crowd punching protesters like he'd like to do.
Hitler banned guns and stopped opposing views being heard.
Sound familiar?
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On March 12 2016 14:38 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 14:26 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:53 kwizach wrote:On March 12 2016 13:51 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:42 m4ini wrote:On March 12 2016 13:40 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2016 13:39 oBlade wrote:On March 12 2016 13:28 m4ini wrote:On March 12 2016 13:19 Plansix wrote:On March 12 2016 13:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape? The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared. Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds. https://twitter.com/ejwamb/status/708493054060040192This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect. Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. What does that picture mean to you? This is the part where OBlade plays dumb and asks leading questions. Its the fucking Nazi salute. Best part is, he knows i'm german. And i do know what he's trying, so i can't be arsed to even react to it. That was a speck conceited - I don't know where you're from. I am sincerely asking your interpretation of the picture and what you think is its significance. What do you think she was doing if not a nazi salute? I didn't say I knew what she was doing. I have no idea what's going on in the picture or what its context is. These are some things I notice, in general: -The photo is in black and white, like everything that account has posted, to try and evoke profundity -She's engaged with the gentleman on the left -There's something (sweat?) under her armpit and possibly on her hand, or maybe it's an optical illusion, from the black and white I can't tell exactly -The pic is posted without any regard to context With this information, I can think of some plausible backgrounds for the photo: -The photo is staged (she has an extraordinary amount of Trump flair) -She is showing the shit on her hand (which may not even be there) -They are having any kind of conversation about the "raise your right hand" pledge (which any elementary schooler does daily) which the media has already made clickbait out of, in which context it'd be expected the gesture would come up -The woman is mocking/defying them in a badgering contest (like the flag-trampling protesters a few page ago mockingly shouting "white power") -The woman is an ardent Third Reich sympathizer, which, while unfortunate, I don't think "Old Woman is Racist" is super historic even in this case. I have no prior reason to care about the pic, not knowing any of the people in it, so I was just wondering about how people already crafted strong perspectives on it and if there are really any implications to it. What strong perspectives? That woman is doing a Nazi salute, as the photo clearly shows. Is it a "strong perspective" to state that?
The reactions of m4ini and Plansix two pages ago.
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On March 12 2016 15:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 15:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 12 2016 14:41 LegalLord wrote:
I'd take these Hitler/Nazi accusations more seriously if it weren't the oldest stupid smear in the book.
It's easier to find an important public figure that has NOT been likened to Hitler for some action or other. I think people get confused with the comparison to Hitler's rise to power and what he did with it. No question Trump's campaign resembles Hitler's rise to power (though there are plenty of differences). What he would do with it is a separate issue imo. This won't be the last Trump rally to go like this though. He'll have to avoid any major cities north of the Mason-Dixon line if he doesn't want it to happen again. ROFLMAO @ "thugs who stopped Trump's rally" I guess since it wasn't just some young women he couldn't show his superior strength... Or go out into the crowd punching protesters like he'd like to do. Hitler banned guns and stopped opposing views being heard. Sound familiar?
Yeah, because citizens interrupting a Trump rally is remotely comparable... Even if he never had another rally, the media is more than happy to let his views be heard.
Bernie mentions child poverty practically every time he speaks, how many articles or news segments have we seen discussing the wealthiest country on the planet not being able to feed it's children?
Trump's got more airtime than Bernie and Hillary combined, his views not being heard is probably one of the most absurd claims one could make.
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the 'maybe' nazi salute from old granny looking a lot less threatening now.
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On March 12 2016 15:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2016 15:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 12 2016 14:41 LegalLord wrote:
I'd take these Hitler/Nazi accusations more seriously if it weren't the oldest stupid smear in the book.
It's easier to find an important public figure that has NOT been likened to Hitler for some action or other. I think people get confused with the comparison to Hitler's rise to power and what he did with it. No question Trump's campaign resembles Hitler's rise to power (though there are plenty of differences). What he would do with it is a separate issue imo. This won't be the last Trump rally to go like this though. He'll have to avoid any major cities north of the Mason-Dixon line if he doesn't want it to happen again. ROFLMAO @ "thugs who stopped Trump's rally" I guess since it wasn't just some young women he couldn't show his superior strength... Or go out into the crowd punching protesters like he'd like to do. Hitler banned guns and stopped opposing views being heard. Sound familiar?
Trump seems in favor of gun freedom, but he does want to loosen libel law so that he can sue anyone that says anything bad about him. So he doesn't seem like a strong supporter of the first ammendment.
I personally am a strong supporter of the first ammendment. If I don't like what someone has to say, I just won't listen. I tend towards the liberal side, but I don't like protests that try to stop people from speaking. I don't respect that type of protesting and if anything, they make me sympathetic to the guy getting shouted down.
Trump should be heard. After hearing him, any thinking person should realize that he's a conman. From there, the protesters should point out why he is a conman loud and clear.
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What really happened at the Chicago Trump Rally
More than that, I feel that I experienced today, for the first time in my life, true totalitarianism and authoritarianism, expressed laterally from citizen to citizen, in order to silence opinions from being shared. This enforcement was shared through sheer numbers and intimidation, and in a few cases, violence.
People brought their children, loved ones, and friends to attend the Trump rally. I saw an older Asian man and his white wife in attendance, and the looks on their faces when the rally was declared cancelled almost broke my heart. I saw scared children clinging to their parents’ sides as they exited the building to the screams of protesters. I saw a quiet, but excited crowd of Donald Trump supporters get thrown out of Chicago.
Worst of all, I saw the first amendment trampled, spit on, and discarded like trash.
This cannot go on. As I finish this, I feel a sense of utter dread and hopelessness for what is becoming of the youth in this country, particularly those of the regressive left. So polarized has political opinion become, that dissenting thoughts on college campuses are now seen as hateful. These people deal in absolutes. They are right, and whatever means they must take to achieve their ends, they will do it. They will not stop themselves from violence or censorship. They will do it, and they will call hell down upon you if anyone dare does upon them the same.
Tonight I went to the Trump Rally to hear the thoughts of not only the man who was supposed to come and speak, but the people who support him. I found respect. I found calmness. I found peace.
The truth is, I am a legal immigrant, not a US citizen. I am not American. I am not white. I cannot vote.
After tonight, I support Donald Trump.
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So what? People are surprised that minorities aren't going to accept Trump's hate speech without violence?
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Did you read? The original poster WAS A MINORITY.
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