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On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect.
Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect.
Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten.
This is the kind of tactic of generalizing all of Trump supporters as racist is the exact same move the neoconservatives use to try and convince the public that all Muslims are terrorist, it's wrong, and it adds nothing to the conversation, except to misinform the public.
Ah. So basically i just did "a trump", that's what you're saying? Or would i need to add that your family should be killed too, some wall stuff, bit of yada about brown people and how mexico only sends rapists and criminals? Or his supporters, going to idiotic lengths and mental gymnastics to explain why trump actually "didn't mean it like that" when he made another dumb statement?
It's actually fun poking randomly like that, because you know that some pro-trump guy turns up, trying to argue how biased by/through media and whatnot i am (btw, i'm not exposed to US media) - but they conveniently forget that what i just did is literally the exact same thing that trump does.
You will obviously disagree, so lets just leave it at that.
Remember, Trump is so racist, yet wins in every single minority category by a landslide compared to every other Republican candidate. Must clearly mean every single Republican candidate is more racist than Trump.
You see, winning racists isn't really something to tout about. Where was the Hitlergruss when Obama rallied? Was he endorsed by a grand harry potter of KKK or whatever that guy was? No?
One should start and wonder why that might be.
Exactly, so instead of playing into the Trump game, you should be talking about bad policies. The media is so fucking stupid, they're literally falling for his trap card, and it works. EVERY FUCKING TIME.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect.
Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten.
What does that picture mean to you?
This is the part where OBlade plays dumb and asks leading questions. Its the fucking Nazi salute.
Best part is, he knows i'm german. And i do know what he's trying, so i can't be arsed to even react to it.
I find the perspective of Germans to be very enlightening when it comes to Trump. All my TL German friends have had similar responses to yours when it comes to Trump and his supporters.
wei2coolman: No. People are going to call Trump what he is, an unwelcome blight on political discourse in this country. Bigotry we have allowed to go unchallenged for to long. He isn't treated like other candidates because he isn't like them, they don't have people punching protesters at their events. And they never promised to pay the supporters legal bills for roughing up protesters. He gets the coverage he earns with his behavior. His ability to win Republican primaries is more a reflection of the voters who are voting for him, rather than the media.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect.
Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten.
This is the kind of tactic of generalizing all of Trump supporters as racist is the exact same move the neoconservatives use to try and convince the public that all Muslims are terrorist, it's wrong, and it adds nothing to the conversation, except to misinform the public.
Ah. So basically i just did "a trump", that's what you're saying? Or would i need to add that your family should be killed too, some wall stuff, bit of yada about brown people and how mexico only sends rapists and criminals? Or his supporters, going to idiotic lengths and mental gymnastics to explain why trump actually "didn't mean it like that" when he made another dumb statement?
It's actually fun poking randomly like that, because you know that some pro-trump guy turns up, trying to argue how biased by/through media and whatnot i am (btw, i'm not exposed to US media) - but they conveniently forget that what i just did is literally the exact same thing that trump does.
You will obviously disagree, so lets just leave it at that.
edit
Remember, Trump is so racist, yet wins in every single minority category by a landslide compared to every other Republican candidate. Must clearly mean every single Republican candidate is more racist than Trump.
You see, winning racists isn't really something to tout about. Where was the Hitlergruss when Obama rallied? Was he endorsed by a grand harry potter of KKK or whatever that guy was? No?
One should start and wonder why that might be.
Exactly, so instead of playing into the Trump game, you should be talking about bad policies. The media is so fucking stupid, they're literally falling for his trap card, and it works. EVERY FUCKING TIME.
It's not like i never did talk about what you call his "policies". It's just that quite a few people here are pretty damn resistant to logic and reason - just look at how trump gets described by people here (nice guy who only has americas interests in mind - like, what? Oo).
It's a bit, don't get me wrong, like arguing with a converted christian. You simply can't win, regardless of what you do.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
On March 12 2016 13:50 Introvert wrote: Trump clearly wants this, didn't he say this would probably get home some votes?
If there was ever this inkling of an idea that the party would rally to Trump, I think it's gone.
I think you are right. This is going to keep happening at his events, protests, violence, displays of bigotry. Republicans who are thinking longer than this election know there is no long term plan with Trump and the party.
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence.
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump.
I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape?
The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared.
Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds.
This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect.
Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten.
What does that picture mean to you?
This is the part where OBlade plays dumb and asks leading questions. Its the fucking Nazi salute.
Best part is, he knows i'm german. And i do know what he's trying, so i can't be arsed to even react to it.
That was a speck conceited - I don't know where you're from.
I am sincerely asking your interpretation of the picture and what you think is its significance.
Well, i guess you must've randomly asked me then if i feel bad for what hitler did. Which i rather vividly remember, because that was (sorry) the dumbest question i was ever asked on TL. Which i btw answered with "no, why would i feel bad about it - neither my parents nor me had any part".
There's not much to interpret. I do think that it shows something extremely wrong with american society, where people call for jail because of someone who stepped on a piece of colorful cloth, yet the Hitlergruss gets played down like it's nothing (btw, other than the "flagstepping idiocy", in germany, that woman could go to jail, or at the very minimum, pay a fine).
Other than that, i don't really know what you're trying to ask. There's not really an interpretation there, other than an obviously undereducated old fanny that doesn't know shit about history, but doesn't like blacks/brown people.
On March 12 2016 13:50 Introvert wrote: Trump clearly wants this, didn't he say this would probably get home some votes?
If there was ever this inkling of an idea that the party would rally to Trump, I think it's gone.
I think you are right. This is going to keep happening at his events, protests, violence, displays of bigotry. Republicans who are thinking longer than this election know there is no long term plan with Trump and the party.
No long term plan? Trump has brought so many new voters to the primary that the republican party has never had.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
The question is, do you actually WANT those voters. Sounds illogical, but it's an actual question. Look at what kind of people Trump attracts. If your party suddenly gets praised by the scum of your country, you will lose supporters somewhere else. Some people just don't want to be in the same drawer as that old lady there. Hard to explain correctly what i mean, that has to suffice.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
The question is, do you actually WANT those voters. Sounds illogical, but it's an actual question. Look at what kind of people Trump attracts. If your party suddenly gets praised by the scum of your country, you will lose supporters somewhere else. Some people just don't want to be in the same drawer as that old lady there. Hard to explain correctly what i mean, that has to suffice.
If you're talking about the racists, they've always been voting conservative regardless.
On March 12 2016 13:50 Introvert wrote: Trump clearly wants this, didn't he say this would probably get home some votes?
If there was ever this inkling of an idea that the party would rally to Trump, I think it's gone.
I think you are right. This is going to keep happening at his events, protests, violence, displays of bigotry. Republicans who are thinking longer than this election know there is no long term plan with Trump and the party.
No long term plan? Trump has brought so many new voters to the primary that the republican party has never had.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
Your delusion is almost adorable. Gallup poll puts Republicans at 25% of the population. 43% are independents. The 43% independents are never going to come over to this. The ones that left the Republican party are moderate ones. There is no long term plan with Trump.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
The question is, do you actually WANT those voters. Sounds illogical, but it's an actual question. Look at what kind of people Trump attracts. If your party suddenly gets praised by the scum of your country, you will lose supporters somewhere else. Some people just don't want to be in the same drawer as that old lady there. Hard to explain correctly what i mean, that has to suffice.
If you're talking about the racists, they've always been voting conservative regardless.
2/3s of eligible voters do not vote. The hard core racists didn't vote. Now they have found their standard bearer.
On March 12 2016 13:50 Introvert wrote: Trump clearly wants this, didn't he say this would probably get home some votes?
If there was ever this inkling of an idea that the party would rally to Trump, I think it's gone.
I think you are right. This is going to keep happening at his events, protests, violence, displays of bigotry. Republicans who are thinking longer than this election know there is no long term plan with Trump and the party.
No long term plan? Trump has brought so many new voters to the primary that the republican party has never had.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
Your delusion is almost adorable. Gallup poll puts Republicans at 25% of the population. 43% are independents. The 43% independents are never going to come over to this. The ones that left the Republican party are moderate ones. There is no long term plan with Trump.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
The question is, do you actually WANT those voters. Sounds illogical, but it's an actual question. Look at what kind of people Trump attracts. If your party suddenly gets praised by the scum of your country, you will lose supporters somewhere else. Some people just don't want to be in the same drawer as that old lady there. Hard to explain correctly what i mean, that has to suffice.
If you're talking about the racists, they've always been voting conservative regardless.
That i can't tell. But if we're not talking racist, then we're talking "anti-establishment". Which isn't better in terms of "people could shy away".
edit: in germany for example, you could get a decent amount of voters if you cater to the same people that trump caters to (like the AfD does). Yet no established party does it. Quite the contrary, actually.
On March 12 2016 13:50 Introvert wrote: Trump clearly wants this, didn't he say this would probably get home some votes?
If there was ever this inkling of an idea that the party would rally to Trump, I think it's gone.
I think you are right. This is going to keep happening at his events, protests, violence, displays of bigotry. Republicans who are thinking longer than this election know there is no long term plan with Trump and the party.
No long term plan? Trump has brought so many new voters to the primary that the republican party has never had.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
Your delusion is almost adorable. Gallup poll puts Republicans at 25% of the population. 43% are independents. The 43% independents are never going to come over to this. The ones that left the Republican party are moderate ones. There is no long term plan with Trump.
Explain the increased voter turn out for republican primaries.
Racists, xenophobes and other energized malcontents drawn in by populist promises. The same thing it always is. And the "huge turn out" is very small compared to the general population. Only a small number of people vote in the primaries compared to the general election.
The people voting for Trump will have not patience for the political process or dealing with the other side. Once the "deport everyone" plan turns out to be impossible because the Democratic party continues to exist, they will claim they were betrayed.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
The question is, do you actually WANT those voters. Sounds illogical, but it's an actual question. Look at what kind of people Trump attracts. If your party suddenly gets praised by the scum of your country, you will lose supporters somewhere else. Some people just don't want to be in the same drawer as that old lady there. Hard to explain correctly what i mean, that has to suffice.
If you're talking about the racists, they've always been voting conservative regardless.
That i can't tell. But if we're not talking racist, then we're talking "anti-establishment". Which isn't better in terms of "people could shy away".
That's why I'm not sure if the GOP will back Trump, because of the anti-establishment crowd Trump brings in. But, the increased voter pool for GOP that might come from a Trump backing, is what the GOP needs. It's a matter whether or not they care about the presidency. From my 2c's I think they're happy continually gerrymandering into full House control, which is independent from a Trump's increased voter popularity.
Also, trying to negatively characterize a candidate because of a racists supporter misses the obvious correlation that racists in America are generally fiscally conservative, and huge 2nd amendment supporters. Guess which side is consistently going to grab the racist votes? It'd be like trying to characterize all of Bernie's supporters as SJW BLM cucks, which clearly isn't the case, despite the crazy antics from the extreme left.
On March 12 2016 13:50 Introvert wrote: Trump clearly wants this, didn't he say this would probably get home some votes?
If there was ever this inkling of an idea that the party would rally to Trump, I think it's gone.
I think you are right. This is going to keep happening at his events, protests, violence, displays of bigotry. Republicans who are thinking longer than this election know there is no long term plan with Trump and the party.
No long term plan? Trump has brought so many new voters to the primary that the republican party has never had.
Now, do I think the party will back Trump? I'm not entirely sure, but what Trump brings is something the GOP has been missing for a long long time, which is energized NEW voters.
Your delusion is almost adorable. Gallup poll puts Republicans at 25% of the population. 43% are independents. The 43% independents are never going to come over to this. The ones that left the Republican party are moderate ones. There is no long term plan with Trump.
Explain the increased voter turn out for republican primaries.
Racists, xenophobes and other energized malcontents drawn in by populist promises. The same thing it always is. And the "huge turn out" is very small compared to the general population. Only a small number of people vote in the primaries compared to the general election.
You mean the same racists and xenophobes that were already turning out for GOP votes for the past 60 years? lol. Do you really think racists super NRA supporters from the South weren't already voting for the GOP? I mean for god sakes, do you think they stayed silent as America voted in Barack Obama?
If you think there are that many "hidden" racists, they would have came out of the wood work for Mitt Romney, to oppose Obama.
The new voters are clearly anti-establishment, not some silent racist majority that came out of a slumber.
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