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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 12 2016 11:39 Danglars wrote: Go look up the history of flag trampling/desecration/burning. It's far more storied than the modern obsession with taking offense at this and that. In the US, laws were passed by the people's representatives outlining criminal and civil penalties for the act, both in states and Congress. Maybe it's not as stunning as burning someone in effigy, but I'm surprised anybody is shocked by people caring about this. It was only through court action that laws declared the act protected by free speech were reversed. Flags are symbols. Speech manipulates symbols. Of course manipulating a symbol like a flag is speech. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 12 2016 11:42 oneofthem wrote: people are not shocked that murica is historically nationalist while being tone deaf We specialize in it. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 12 2016 11:39 Danglars wrote: Go look up the history of flag trampling/desecration/burning. It's far more storied than the modern obsession with taking offense at this and that. In the US, laws were passed by the people's representatives outlining criminal and civil penalties for the act, both in states and Congress. Maybe it's not as stunning as burning someone in effigy, but I'm surprised anybody is shocked by people caring about this. It was only through court action that laws declared the act protected by free speech were reversed. Man, those National Justice Warriors (NJWs) are so thin-skinned. Are you going to create a safe space where no flags are stepped on, perhaps? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
they also fall to tendency of seeking to get a quick short term benefit in damage to longterm planning. i have some stories from my time as a data canvasser for one of those hood study papers in the hyde park area of chicago. basically the same human frailties that would affect a white or asian kid also affect the young black men but there isnt an intervention resource due to historical destruction of the black family. this would be far less of a problem if there are legitimate job opportunities for these people. democrats do support some of these ngo type organizations that attempt to fulfill this role in the community but it is leaky. i actually think the religious community could be very important. the govt also needs to provide a fiscal stimulus through a new deal type peogram for young people in these areas. this is an imminently fixable problem like obama said, which makes the dispelling of caricatures important and the trump types extremely irresponsible and reprehensible | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2016 10:34 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: This will help Trump. I think he will get a clean sweep Tuesday. This is what happens when political rhetoric is based on character and identity attacks rather than policy discussions. This is exactly the kind of shit I was warning about every fucking time someone keeps calling Trump and/or his supporters racists/bigots etc. It causes ridiculous tension among supporters and haters. Oh hey, instead of systematically breaking down why Trump's stance on healthcare, and immigration are a bad idea, they keep calling a racist, moron, bigot, priviledge, sexist, drumpf, etc etc. Guess what ? shit like this is going to happen. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i may have underestimated the lack of awareness in some | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:06 oneofthem wrote: they are those things tho. i said at beginning that trump would be popular and thus show people that racism and xenophobia is very strong and alive. i may have underestimated the lack of awareness in some Right after Ben Carson endorses Trump. This is literally what the American population sees. "TRUMP IS FUCKING RACIST BIGOT" *Ben Carson endorses Trump* *riot breaks out in Chicago, which stops the political process and violates first amendment rights; not to mention the media is mostly showing black youth in these demonstrations* If this is what the general public sees, what side do you think they're going to take? The liberal progressive stance that Trump is indeed a racist? Or the fact that the liberals have taken it too far? Do you think the general public is going to take a nuanced stance here after seeing this just transpire? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump. Edit: Did you just break out the political version of "but he has plenty of black friends,"? Really? Trump is a racist bigot. Liberals didn't make him one. He got their all on is own. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence. But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump. I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape? On March 12 2016 13:15 Plansix wrote: Its weird, we had two elections with a black candidate. No people yelling white power or KKK endorsements for McCain or Romney. We have numerous Republicans running and none of them seem to have this problem. Its almost like Trump is the cause of all the violence, out rage and anger. Like his rhetoric is causing the violence. Like him telling his supporters to rough up protesters and he will cover their legal bills has created an environment of violence. But that is call identity politics, we should talk about his plans for healthcare. No wait, he should real focus on if America will be more or less violent by the end of this election thanks to Trump. Edit: Did you just break out the political version of "but he has plenty of black friends,"? Really? I'm not saying that, I'm saying that's the public perception of the media coverage. Can you take a second to actually read every word I type out? Literally look at the headlines regarding Trump, and the narrative plays out an obvious perceptual cognitive dissonance to the American public, guess where people are going to lean when this happens? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:17 wei2coolman wrote: I like how you're blaming Trump for the violence of the protesters. That's some grade A victim blaming right there. Did you take that out of the right wing play book of blaming seductive clothing for rape? The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared. Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds. This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect. | ||
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oBlade
United States5901 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:04 wei2coolman wrote: This is what happens when political rhetoric is based on character and identity attacks rather than policy discussions. This is exactly the kind of shit I was warning about every fucking time someone keeps calling Trump and/or his supporters racists/bigots etc. It causes ridiculous tension among supporters and haters. Oh hey, instead of systematically breaking down why Trump's stance on healthcare, and immigration are a bad idea, they keep calling a racist, moron, bigot, priviledge, sexist, drumpf, etc etc. Guess what ? shit like this is going to happen. I very much enjoy that the USA is a place that protects the right to peaceable assembly. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On March 12 2016 12:07 oneofthem wrote: when you talk with a chicago gangster type on the street Please tell me this is supposed to be sarcasm. Given the rest of the post, it doesn't seem like it is. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:19 Plansix wrote: The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared. Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds. https://twitter.com/ejwamb/status/708493054060040192 This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect. Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:28 m4ini wrote: Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. This is the kind of tactic of generalizing all of Trump supporters as racist is the exact same move the neoconservatives use to try and convince the public that all Muslims are terrorist, it's wrong, and it adds nothing to the conversation, except to misinform the public. | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:19 Plansix wrote: The protesters were not violent until the Trump supporters came out side. He ran from a peaceful protest. He got scared. Edit: The media has accurately portrayed Trump for what he is. People made up their own minds. https://twitter.com/ejwamb/status/708493054060040192 This photo was created for history books. Fucking perfect. If you are trying to paint Trump as a racist, you've failed. Trump have people across all races, gender identification supporting him. Dems have way less diversity. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:33 ErectedZenith wrote: If you are trying to paint Trump as a racist, you've failed. Trump have people across all races, gender identification supporting him. Dems have way less diversity. Remember, Trump is so racist, yet wins in every single minority category by a landslide compared to every other Republican candidate. Must clearly mean every single Republican candidate is more racist than Trump. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:28 m4ini wrote: Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. She loves her Grandson, this photo has been taken out of context and is going to be used to take the focus away from Trumps domestic platform. The liberal media knows now bounds and will do anything to slander him. Edit: sorry boys, your candidate is a horrid bigot. Deal with it. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:32 wei2coolman wrote: This is the kind of tactic of generalizing all of Trump supporters as racist is the exact same move the neoconservatives use to try and convince the public that all Muslims are terrorist, it's wrong, and it adds nothing to the conversation, except to misinform the public. Ah. So basically i just did "a trump", that's what you're saying? Or would i need to add that your family should be killed too, some wall stuff, bit of yada about brown people and how mexico only sends rapists and criminals? Or his supporters, going to idiotic lengths and mental gymnastics to explain why trump actually "didn't mean it like that" when he made another dumb statement? It's actually fun poking randomly like that, because you know that some pro-trump guy turns up, trying to argue how biased by/through media and whatnot i am (btw, i'm not exposed to US media) - but they conveniently forget that what i just did is literally the exact same thing that trump does. You will obviously disagree, so lets just leave it at that. edit Remember, Trump is so racist, yet wins in every single minority category by a landslide compared to every other Republican candidate. Must clearly mean every single Republican candidate is more racist than Trump. You see, winning racists isn't really something to tout about. Where was the Hitlergruss when Obama rallied? Was he endorsed by a grand harry potter of KKK or whatever that guy was? No? One should start and wonder why that might be. | ||
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oBlade
United States5901 Posts
On March 12 2016 13:28 m4ini wrote: Queue Trump supporters stating that this picture is just a granny, showing a random person how huge her grandson has gotten. What does that picture mean to you? | ||
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