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On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like.
Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency.
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While Trump won't win the election, or the primary, due to the number of people who dislike him; he could pick up quite a number of delegates, putting him in a position to play kingmaker. With a field this large, even after the less likely candidates start dropping out; it could easily be the case that no candidate has a majority of delegates by the time it gets to the convention. This would leave a lot of room for negotiated deals; and trump will be in a position to negotiate himself a deal for his delegates. I'm not sure what he'd ask for, but I'm sure he could leverage something strong out of it.
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On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency.
I think the people who would be willing to vote for Trump are actually happy if he would bring his 'blunt' manner to international relations. That whole, America is the greatest and no one will dare speak against us if we beat our chest hard enough, attitude.
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On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency.
It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular.
He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics.
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Erick Erickson, the guy who banned Trump for participating in his event because of his language likes to call Supreme Court justices "Goat fucking child molesters"
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Sex education really needs some work in the United States if only deviants think that the place that women bleed from which stereotypically makes them irritable isn't their nose.
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On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency.
Its the same Dichotomy that makes people more outraged about the death of Cecil the Lion then the Iran deal that puts millions of lives in danger. Focus on some random thing that doesn't matter, allowing others to get away with mass murder.
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On August 09 2015 02:00 KwarK wrote:
Sex education really needs some work in the United States if only deviants think that the place that women bleed from which stereotypically makes them irritable isn't their nose.
Yes, that must be the worst excuse i have heard in a long time.
On August 09 2015 02:13 whatisthisasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. Its the same thing that makes people more outraged about the death of Cecil the Lion then the Iran deal that puts millions of lives in danger.
The reason for that might also be that the killing of an endagered lion is very much objectively a bad thing, while most people except american republicans who must be against everything obama does agree that the Iran deal is a pretty good one.
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On August 09 2015 01:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. I think the people who would be willing to vote for Trump are actually happy if he would bring his 'blunt' manner to international relations. That whole, America is the greatest and no one will dare speak against us if we beat our chest hard enough, attitude.
Yeah I agree. Unfortunately, that would only do harm x.x
On August 09 2015 01:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular. He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics.
It's ridiculous to say that "Yeehaw I love hearing those ridiculous remarks, lolololol more more more!" and "We need to have a conversation over whether or not his comments and actions are presidential material" are both contributing equally to his popularity. Yes, they're both comments about Trump, but the latter is at least intended for a constructive conversation that could get somewhere. He's already on all the news networks and everywhere else, so you can't just ignore him and hope he goes away. Might as well have a discussion.
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On August 09 2015 02:13 whatisthisasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. Its the same Dichotomy that makes people more outraged about the death of Cecil the Lion then the Iran deal that puts millions of lives in danger. Focus on some random thing that doesn't matter, allowing others to get away with mass murder.
Sure... presidents and world leaders are far more capable of committing/ getting away with mass murder than pop stars. Not that I think that Trump is going to create another Holocaust, but obviously you need to look at his criteria and personality far more carefully when evaluating the potential success of his presidency.
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The greatest guilty pleasure of election time is watching scholarly knowledgeable intellectuals go full tard in order to support their chosen candidate
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On August 09 2015 02:13 whatisthisasheep wrote:
the Iran deal that puts millions of lives in danger.
In a Republican parallel universe perhaps, but not in this one.
29 U.S. Scientists Praise Iran Nuclear Deal in Letter to Obama
Twenty-nine of the nation’s top scientists — including Nobel laureates, veteran makers of nuclear arms and former White House science advisers — wrote to President Obama on Saturday to praise the Iran deal, calling it innovative and stringent.
The letter, from some of the world’s most knowledgeable experts in the fields of nuclear weapons and arms control, arrives as Mr. Obama is lobbying Congress, the American public and the nation’s allies to support the agreement.
The two-page letter may give the White House arguments a boost after the blow Mr. Obama suffered on Thursday when Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, a Democrat and among the most influential Jewish voices in Congress, announced he would oppose the deal, which calls for Iran to curb its nuclear program and allow inspections in return for an end to international oil and financial sanctions. [...]
“We congratulate you and your team,” the letter says in its opening to Mr. Obama, adding that the Iran deal “will advance the cause of peace and security in the Middle East and can serve as a guidepost for future nonproliferation agreements.” [...]
The body of the letter praises the technical features of the Iran accord and offers tacit rebuttals to recent criticisms on such issues as verification and provisions for investigating what specialists see as evidence of Iran’s past research on nuclear arms.
It also focuses on whether Iran could use the accord as diplomatic cover to pursue nuclear weapons in secret.
The deal’s plan for resolving disputes, the letter says, greatly mitigates “concerns about clandestine activities.” It hails the 24-day cap on Iranian delays to site investigations as “unprecedented,” adding that the agreement “will allow effective challenge inspection for the suspected activities of greatest concern.”
It also welcomes as without precedent the deal’s explicit banning of research on nuclear weapons “rather than only their manufacture,” as established in the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, the top arms-control agreement of the nuclear age.
The letter notes criticism that the Iran accord, after 10 years, will let Tehran potentially develop nuclear arms without constraint. “In contrast,” it says, “we find that the deal includes important long-term verification procedures that last until 2040, and others that last indefinitely.” Source
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On August 09 2015 02:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 01:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:
[quote]
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc. He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular. He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics. It's ridiculous to say that "Yeehaw I love hearing those ridiculous remarks, lolololol more more more!" and "We need to have a conversation over whether or not his comments and actions are presidential material" are both contributing equally to his popularity. Yes, they're both comments about Trump, but the latter is at least intended for a constructive conversation that could get somewhere. He's already on all the news networks and everywhere else, so you can't just ignore him and hope he goes away. Might as well have a discussion.
Yeah, the fact that he's all over the news networks is just as much part of the problem.
It's like no one's ever seen a fringe whackjob politician before. If other nations can have actual Neo-Nazi parties running constantly in elections and actually getting votes without treating them seriously, the same can be done for Donald Trump.
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On August 09 2015 02:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 02:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric. On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!! Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting. He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!' snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled upOr maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular. He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics. It's ridiculous to say that "Yeehaw I love hearing those ridiculous remarks, lolololol more more more!" and "We need to have a conversation over whether or not his comments and actions are presidential material" are both contributing equally to his popularity. Yes, they're both comments about Trump, but the latter is at least intended for a constructive conversation that could get somewhere. He's already on all the news networks and everywhere else, so you can't just ignore him and hope he goes away. Might as well have a discussion. Yeah, the fact that he's all over the news networks is just as much part of the problem. It's like no one's ever seen a fringe whackjob politician before. If other nations can have actual Neo-Nazi parties running constantly in elections and actually getting votes without treating them seriously, the same can be done for Donald Trump.
I agree, and also half the time I get confused between WolfintheSheep and whatisthisasheep lol.
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On August 09 2015 01:32 Jibba wrote:The problem is Trump appeals to a lot of the same core assholes the rest of the field has been kowtowing to for so long. Jeb and co. keep moving further off-center in order to win that group, but Trump is still doing a significantly better than them just by being a blunt (and yet still dishonest) asshole. The answer is actually to play for the general election (center), but it seems like they're still convinced that group holds the keys to the primary. It's ridiculous. They're hamstringing themselves in both the general election and the primary. One of these candidates needs to stop going for the rightwing assholes and just be a regular conservative. I think Kevin Williamson from the National Review has it right: EDIT: I'm a liberal who's dissatisfied with Hillary, and this shit is disappointing. Can we just get 2004 Romney back or something.
America had their chance to vote for moderate, nonconfrontational Republicans in 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012.
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On August 09 2015 03:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 02:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 02:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:
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That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
How?
With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up
Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him.
Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular. He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics. It's ridiculous to say that "Yeehaw I love hearing those ridiculous remarks, lolololol more more more!" and "We need to have a conversation over whether or not his comments and actions are presidential material" are both contributing equally to his popularity. Yes, they're both comments about Trump, but the latter is at least intended for a constructive conversation that could get somewhere. He's already on all the news networks and everywhere else, so you can't just ignore him and hope he goes away. Might as well have a discussion. Yeah, the fact that he's all over the news networks is just as much part of the problem. It's like no one's ever seen a fringe whackjob politician before. If other nations can have actual Neo-Nazi parties running constantly in elections and actually getting votes without treating them seriously, the same can be done for Donald Trump. I agree, and also half the time I get confused between WolfintheSheep and whatisthisasheep lol.
The best thing Trump does for republicans is hog all the media coverage from sanders. The longer he upstages Bernie the more likely Clinton gets the nom which is better for conservatives.
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Bush II presented himself as a pretty sane moderate candidate before he started invading places and lowering taxes on the rich to pay for his wars.
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Funny, when Donald Trump made that comment, I didn't get the idea he was referring to Megyn Kelly as having a period. Regardless, this is exactly what people are sick of, there are bigger issues in this country and this just goes back to people being too PC which is another thing people are sick of in this country.
Trump isn't perfect, but at least he isn't bought and paid for like most other candidates that Americans are stuck with in each election and I think he can finally secure our border like any sane country would do or does, and I think he'll bring back and keep jobs here in the US.
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On August 09 2015 03:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 02:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 02:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 08 2015 14:51 Danglars wrote:
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That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
How?
With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up
Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him.
Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed. ...Are you serious? EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular. He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics. It's ridiculous to say that "Yeehaw I love hearing those ridiculous remarks, lolololol more more more!" and "We need to have a conversation over whether or not his comments and actions are presidential material" are both contributing equally to his popularity. Yes, they're both comments about Trump, but the latter is at least intended for a constructive conversation that could get somewhere. He's already on all the news networks and everywhere else, so you can't just ignore him and hope he goes away. Might as well have a discussion. Yeah, the fact that he's all over the news networks is just as much part of the problem. It's like no one's ever seen a fringe whackjob politician before. If other nations can have actual Neo-Nazi parties running constantly in elections and actually getting votes without treating them seriously, the same can be done for Donald Trump. I agree, and also half the time I get confused between WolfintheSheep and whatisthisasheep lol.
So do I...
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On August 09 2015 03:21 whatisthisasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 03:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 02:54 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 02:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:52 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:30 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote:
As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all.
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2015 15:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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...Are you serious?
EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation. And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. Sure, but with MJ and Chris Brown, it makes sense to say something like "He's a shitty person but a great singer/ dancer", because you don't need to be a good person to be a good singer. On the other hand, the things that Trump says and does now are absolutely related to what he'd say and do as a president. You can't compartmentalize the same way. It's not like he's just shitty at knitting or can't draw or something else that's unrelated to the presidency. It's just as much your fault as "conservative bigots" that Trump is so popular. He's a giant troll that the entire country is feeding. At the end of the day, he's probably not going to be President, and despite his "popularity" it's hard to tell how many people are going to actually going to vote for him in the real polls. But he's also muscling into the entire election system, and everyone would rather watch his clown show than discuss anything actually related to politics. It's ridiculous to say that "Yeehaw I love hearing those ridiculous remarks, lolololol more more more!" and "We need to have a conversation over whether or not his comments and actions are presidential material" are both contributing equally to his popularity. Yes, they're both comments about Trump, but the latter is at least intended for a constructive conversation that could get somewhere. He's already on all the news networks and everywhere else, so you can't just ignore him and hope he goes away. Might as well have a discussion. Yeah, the fact that he's all over the news networks is just as much part of the problem. It's like no one's ever seen a fringe whackjob politician before. If other nations can have actual Neo-Nazi parties running constantly in elections and actually getting votes without treating them seriously, the same can be done for Donald Trump. I agree, and also half the time I get confused between WolfintheSheep and whatisthisasheep lol. The best thing Trump does for republicans is hog all the media coverage from sanders. The longer he upstages Bernie the more likely Clinton gets the nom which is better for conservatives.
That's a good point. That being said, I also think it makes it more likely for the Democrats to win the eventual presidential election.
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