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On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, game on.
No shit. The terms sexist and racist don't mean dick anymore. When any off-color comment (or even thought) warrants the terms, then damn near everyone's sexist and racist.
Not at all. His argument is that because refusing to hire a qualified black applicant on the grounds of their race and lynching the black guy on the way home are both labelled racist it's difficult to tell the difference between the two. It's really not so difficult.
But of course you are a well known extremist on this site and to you it's probably just an average weekend.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tells a joke can be labeled the same is a person who goes out committing violent hate crimes against ethical minorities, game on.
Just because things of varying severity exist within the same group does not in any way diminish the severity of any given action. Stealing $10 is theft. Stealing $10,000,000 is theft. The word theft doesn't describe the severity of the action, it simply denotes the nature of the action. Your argument that calling Trump sexist for saying a bunch of sexist things diminishes the impact of other more severe sexist arguments is nonsense and completely fails to understand how language works.
A thief who steals $10 is not as bad a thief as one who steals $10,000,000 in the same way that Trump, who routinely objectifies and disrespects women on the basis of their gender (looks, period remarks etc) rather than their ability, is not as bad as a sexist who has his mother's dismembered corpse in his chest freezer. The existence of the $10,000,000 thief doesn't make the $10 thief not a thief and the existence of the $10 thief doesn't diminish the magnitude of the $10,000,000 thief. That's just not how it works.
Then on the scale of 1 to Apartheid, Trump's comment was about a 1.5 It wont have a profound effect on anything. Lets just move on to other important issue like Hillary Clinton's fashion sense. Like most politicians, I like to work small to big.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
Shitty, even for Trump?.
If you haven't figured out by now he doesn't turn the car away from the cliff when he's verbally driving towards the cliff, I don't know if there's a cure. He talked about the blood in her eyes (metaphorical fair play--Megyn Kelly was out to skewer him on the sexist tweets angle connecting to historical Democrat strategies of War on Women rhetoric), and well there's no stopping a second thought from coming out of the dungheap.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tells a joke can be labeled the same is a person who goes out committing violent hate crimes against ethical minorities, game on.
Just because things of varying severity exist within the same group does not in any way diminish the severity of any given action. Stealing $10 is theft. Stealing $10,000,000 is theft. The word theft doesn't describe the severity of the action, it simply denotes the nature of the action. Your argument that calling Trump sexist for saying a bunch of sexist things diminishes the impact of other more severe sexist arguments is nonsense and completely fails to understand how language works.
A thief who steals $10 is not as bad a thief as one who steals $10,000,000 in the same way that Trump, who routinely objectifies and disrespects women on the basis of their gender (looks, period remarks etc) rather than their ability, is not as bad as a sexist who has his mother's dismembered corpse in his chest freezer. The existence of the $10,000,000 thief doesn't make the $10 thief not a thief and the existence of the $10 thief doesn't diminish the magnitude of the $10,000,000 thief. That's just not how it works.
Then on the scale of 1 to Apartheid, Trump's comment was about a 1.5 It wont have a profound effect on anything. Lets just move on to other important issue like Hillary Clinton's fashion sense.
Nobody was saying it's apartheid. I'm glad we agree that things can be on the same scale without having the same score. It's still not really a scale you should want your Presidential candidates to be on though.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, game on.
No shit. The terms sexist and racist don't mean dick anymore. When any off-color comment (or even thought) warrants the terms, then damn near everyone's sexist and racist.
Not at all. His argument is that because refusing to hire a qualified black applicant on the grounds of their race and lynching the black guy on the way home are both labelled racist it's difficult to tell the difference between the two. It's really not so difficult.
But of course you are a well known extremist on this site and to you it's probably just an average weekend.
I think his point is more that the severity of the response and "punishment" isn't based on the severity of what you've done.
Which is very true, and very much the nature of media and viral spread. Someone can be a racist twat on a Youtube video and lose his career and his future, while someone actually involved in something like, say, slave labour or forced prostitution rings can be caught, charged, in and out of court and prison and go on without a blink from the public.
Of course, politicians being racist/sexist twats while trying to run an entire country is a high level severity in and of itself.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, game on.
No shit. The terms sexist and racist don't mean dick anymore. When any off-color comment (or even thought) warrants the terms, then damn near everyone's sexist and racist.
Not at all. His argument is that because refusing to hire a qualified black applicant on the grounds of their race and lynching the black guy on the way home are both labelled racist it's difficult to tell the difference between the two. It's really not so difficult.
But of course you are a well known extremist on this site and to you it's probably just an average weekend.
I think his point is more that the severity of the response and "punishment" isn't based on the severity of what you've done.
Which is very true, and very much the nature of media and viral spread. Someone can be a racist twat on a Youtube video and lose his career and his future, while someone actually involved in something like, say, slave labour or forced prostitution rings can be caught, charged, in and out of court and prison and go on without a blink from the public.
Of course, politicians being racist/sexist twats while trying to run an entire country is a high level severity in and of itself.
Thank you clarifying, my fellow sheep
If someone wanted to reverse engineer this thing, they could say Megyn Kelly criticized Donald Trump; therefore, she hates all men and is part of 'The War on Men'.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, game on.
No shit. The terms sexist and racist don't mean dick anymore. When any off-color comment (or even thought) warrants the terms, then damn near everyone's sexist and racist.
Not at all. His argument is that because refusing to hire a qualified black applicant on the grounds of their race and lynching the black guy on the way home are both labelled racist it's difficult to tell the difference between the two. It's really not so difficult.
But of course you are a well known extremist on this site and to you it's probably just an average weekend.
I think his point is more that the severity of the response and "punishment" isn't based on the severity of what you've done.
Which is very true, and very much the nature of media and viral spread. Someone can be a racist twat on a Youtube video and lose his career and his future, while someone actually involved in something like, say, slave labour or forced prostitution rings can be caught, charged, in and out of court and prison and go on without a blink from the public.
Of course, politicians being racist/sexist twats while trying to run an entire country is a high level severity in and of itself.
Thank you clarifying, my fellow sheep
If someone wanted to reverse engineer this thing, they could say Megyn Kelly criticized Donald Trump; therefore, she hates all men and is part of 'The War on Men'.
Now that's being just as stupid.
Trump should be legitimately criticized for saying stupid shit, because he's running for President. But the much more important matter should be that he's an egomaniac using the Presidential race as a platform to boost his own spotlight, and the entire reason he's being a public ass is because the entire nation is flocking to watch him do it.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
The stuff he says aren't just bad attempts at jokes; they're smack in the middle of his foreign and domestic political comments. He says them with sincerity. And even if they were jokes, that doesn't make them non-bigoted.
You're the one who's suggesting any sort of slippery slope here; no one else is saying that Trump is going to go out and commit violent acts of hate. But people can be bigoted even without the actions.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed.
...Are you serious?
EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed.
The simple answer to the how is to not support him and distance yourself from him. If someone is being an asshole verbally, disassociating yourself from him shows him that you don't think what he is saying is acceptable. If you continue to support him after being an asshole, then you are telling him that you do think what he is saying is acceptable.
He has gotten positive bumps in the polls after pretty much every dickish thing he has said. So I can't really blame him for continuing to lack any tact. He's being rewarded for it. Instead, I look at the people who would support him despite what he has said and I have to think that these people are either lacking decency or sense or both. Luckily, it's still a relatively small portion of America who support him, but his base is growing and we'll have to wait and see what happens to the supporters of other candidates as those candidates drop out. I used to think that those supporters would dislike Trump and eventually they'd all pile into a candidate who isn't such a dick and defeat Trump. However, with Trump's continuing and increasing popularity, I'm no longer so sure. Maybe the Republican party truly is the party of assholes these days.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
To be honest this does feel like a bizarro world sometimes. The things people say in high school are 10x worse than this. Suddenly when you enter the world of adulthood people are offended at the slightest implication. Is saying 'she's angry because she's on her period' something *really* super offensive and sexist, or is it no worse than any joke you hear on the school yard between kids? This is extremely tame by comparison, if you remember anything from those days. I just can't understand how people can live through high school and all of the other private jokes that go on between adults, but then turn around and publicly demonstrate such outrage at a person's relatively tame comment.
Until Trump comes out and says "Megyn Kelly is clearly incapable of being a good journalist because she's a woman" or something which is clearly sexist, and not just some off-hand angry retort/joke based on female biology, I don't see it as a big deal.
I'm not too familiar with the other things Trump has said, but from what I gather most of them are just tasteless jokes, most of which are directed to Rosie O'Donnell because he just plain doesn't like her. But again, is hearing someone call a girl a pig because they don't like her something that deserves outrage? Yes, maybe you can say "now now we don't need to insult others. Lets try to be nice". That's okay.
But I can't understand the double standard people hold for public figures compared to their friends and colleagues in their personal life. And I'm pretty sure this extends to all politicians, in Canada too. Everything seems to provoke outrage if its worded slightly wrong, because it slightly implies or offends a certain group accidentally.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
To be honest this does feel like a bizarro world sometimes. The things people say in high school are 10x worse than this. Suddenly when you enter the world of adulthood people are offended at the slightest implication. Is saying 'she's angry because she's on her period' something *really* super offensive and sexist, or is it no worse than any joke you hear on the school yard between kids? This is extremely tame by comparison, if you remember anything from those days. I just can't understand how people can live through high school and all of the other private jokes that go on between adults, but then turn around and publicly demonstrate such outrage at a person's relatively tame comment.
Until Trump comes out and says "Megyn Kelly is clearly incapable of being a good journalist because she's a woman" or something which is clearly sexist, and not just some off-hand angry retort/joke based on female biology, I don't see it as a big deal.
I'm not too familiar with the other things Trump has said, but from what I gather most of them are just tasteless jokes, most of which are directed to Rosie O'Donnell because he just plain doesn't like her. But again, is hearing someone call a girl a pig because they don't like her something that deserves outrage? Yes, maybe you can say "now now we don't need to insult others. Lets try to be nice". That's okay. But I can't understand the double standard people hold for public figures compared to their friends and colleagues in their personal life.
Not really a double standard. If someone like Trump existed in my daily life, I'd go out of my way to avoid them. I certainly wouldn't be friends with them.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed.
...Are you serious?
EDIT: In case you are... and I really hope that you're just trolling or being silly... calling Trump a misogynist has nothing to do with "yuck eww". It's calling a spade a spade. Megyn asked him to defend his rhetoric because it was something that needed to be defended. No one is asking for his speech to be banned or him to be flogged, but when he's needlessly disrespecting minorities and other countries and other people left and right, it'd be nice for at least some people to step up and say "That's not the type of thing we all advocate, nor think is tactful for a potential future leader to be saying or doing." Writing this off as just people having thin skin or getting angry for no reason is just ignorant, given the context of the situation.
And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!)
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote: Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
That's the modern discourse on speech in a nutshell: He says things that are so yuck eww! He should be held accountable for his rhetoric!!!
Now's a great time to be mounting the Victorian banner of the decay in Public Morals. Except, just make sure you use words like bigoted racist misogynist transphobic homophobic cis-privileged patriarchal. They're the new moral outcry, and the chorus of the new Puritans are always recruiting.
He should be held accountable for his rhetoric. How? With stern words, uttered seriously, but heard humorously by all around. Ala 'He shouldn't be alllowed to talk like that!'snicker telling a clown to quit after everybody's either laughing or riled up Or maybe we simply take him to the village center and flog him. Y'all driving his popularity with the way all this outrage is constructed.
The simple answer to the how is to not support him and distance yourself from him. If someone is being an asshole verbally, disassociating yourself from him shows him that you don't think what he is saying is acceptable. If you continue to support him after being an asshole, then you are telling him that you do think what he is saying is acceptable.
He has gotten positive bumps in the polls after pretty much every dickish thing he has said. So I can't really blame him for continuing to lack any tact. He's being rewarded for it. Instead, I look at the people who would support him despite what he has said and I have to think that these people are either lacking decency or sense or both. Luckily, it's still a relatively small portion of America who support him, but his base is growing and we'll have to wait and see what happens to the supporters of other candidates as those candidates drop out. I used to think that those supporters would dislike Trump and eventually they'd all pile into a candidate who isn't such a dick and defeat Trump. However, with Trump's continuing and increasing popularity, I'm no longer so sure. Maybe the Republican party truly is the party of assholes these days.
Luckily, he won't be elected just because he is what he is and says what he says. I want his run to be as lengthy as possible. It will drive immigration back in the moderate's faces (Graham Bush Christie yesterday's-Rubio) because they are truly out of touch.
If everybody talked about these topics, but sensibly (in an ancient aspect of that term), he has no wind in his sails. It's the tiptoeing around immigration that enhances his form. I'll want to call a second Trump topic simply "American exceptionalism" knowing how people love to hate, but at its core voters are willing to support somebody that says plainly politicians and bureaucratic busybodies have worked to destroy the engine of American prosperity despite every blowhard pointing at unavoidable great recessions and aftermaths and recessions of recessions. The debt's supposed to be ho hum, only fools compare to Greece (partially true), and he'll say it will crush us. And on and on with environment, trade, health insurance, middle east.
He'll take the truly extreme position, throw in nonsense with sense, and it only resonates because of a deep GOP moderate field that's too scared to take a position even close, and a great lib furor that oscillates between "America's full of racist bigoted rednecks that support him" and "Nobody would agree with anything close to what he's saying, it's ludicrous." Both are wind in his sails. He's the loudest voice, not the only voice, that says the emperor has no clothes to the center-left conventional wisdom masquerade.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
To be honest this does feel like a bizarro world sometimes. The things people say in high school are 10x worse than this. Suddenly when you enter the world of adulthood people are offended at the slightest implication. Is saying 'she's angry because she's on her period' something *really* super offensive and sexist, or is it no worse than any joke you hear on the school yard between kids? This is extremely tame by comparison, if you remember anything from those days. I just can't understand how people can live through high school and all of the other private jokes that go on between adults, but then turn around and publicly demonstrate such outrage at a person's relatively tame comment.
Until Trump comes out and says "Megyn Kelly is clearly incapable of being a good journalist because she's a woman" or something which is clearly sexist, and not just some off-hand angry retort/joke based on female biology, I don't see it as a big deal.
I'm not too familiar with the other things Trump has said, but from what I gather most of them are just tasteless jokes, most of which are directed to Rosie O'Donnell because he just plain doesn't like her. But again, is hearing someone call a girl a pig because they don't like her something that deserves outrage? Yes, maybe you can say "now now we don't need to insult others. Lets try to be nice". That's okay.
But I can't understand the double standard people hold for public figures compared to their friends and colleagues in their personal life. And I'm pretty sure this extends to all politicians, in Canada too. Everything seems to provoke outrage if its worded slightly wrong, because it slightly implies or offends a certain group accidentally.
Right. It's because everybody thinks its a big deal, wants to make people believe he winces when he has to hire women, or secretly tries to avoid giving Latin Americans jobs, that makes the firestorm. Like this guy and Donald Sterling are of the same cloth and he might be secretly recorded advising his wife not to hang out with black guys or somesuch. Like high school, the shock and drama is elevated by the puerile reactions. Because the media and left-wing outlets react like high school teenagers, it becomes a BIG DEAL extra headlines, panel guests, wild accusations of societal depravity.
On August 08 2015 15:29 LimpingGoat wrote: Vitriolic comments against illegal immigration and double downing on the sexist stuff.. Maybe he really is just trying to help Hillary.
Reading the conservative comments here and elsewhere it should be pretty clear by now that racism and sexism are everywhere but they feel most at home in the Republican party.
Trump isn't saying anything these people don't say in their regular lives. The things that the more aware ones look around before saying or say under their breath, he says loudly and proudly.
Hell many of his supporters say much worse in selected company. What we will be reminded of as time passes is that Trump will say tons of stuff that would get you warned if you said them here (without quotes) and will probably say some things that would get you outright banned temporarily or otherwise.
I wonder what it's like to reject the obvious reason for a phenomenon for one of your own creation. One only the most partisan of hacks actually believe. More useless days of "analysis" from people who think they know their opposition but continually display their ignorance of those they disagree with.
This thread is a good example. Besides one poster, I can't think of a single person expressing a positive view of Trump on the whole. Yet, from what we read here, we are supposed to find the hidden sexism come into play. One must wonder. If the Racist Republicans have gone to so much trouble to hide their bigotry, why support a man supposedly so open about it? Would that not defeat and undermine everything they have worked to accomplish? Why not support one of the secret racists? Someone who talks like they do in public? But such a critical thought doesn't even get a passing consideration- the data must be viewed in such a way that it fits the already believed explanation.
Carly Fiorina had that "Sanders-who?" start to the campaign season, but she did a good job introducing herself at the debate. Video's from the following Hardball appearance. In my mind, one of the winners, but still a super-long shot. I liked Rubio's performance as well, but Walker & Cruz were even or below my expectations. The rest in camps of comedic gold or blather one to the next. And damn if the debate didn't give many people Trump-alternatives in general, since he looked the politician not real-talker frequently. He better stick with the independents that like him, because his already abysmal Tea Party support won't improve from it, and I'm guessing the moderates won't stay for long (PPP).
Introvert -> I can't make out what you're trying to say well. I'd probably need it spelled out in considerable detail to understand the point(s) you're trying to make.
Are we still pretending Sanders any sort of legit chance at office? Are we also still living in the delusion the the institutions we erect are there for some reason other than to maintain the status quo? Our political machinery is really just a big matrix set up to corrupt good people and represent corporate interests. You can talk to any young person and you realize that younger generations have become completely disillusioned with the system. I honestly have no idea how this bastardized "democracy" will be able keep from collapsing under the weight of the information age. Its becoming difficult to keep information a commodity which naturally punishes the ruling class.
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