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On August 08 2015 06:03 Sermokala wrote: The Bush family has a fundraising war machine unlike anything seen in modern history. they've got old money contacts from the nixon-reagen days that they've been able to use as credibility to relate to more modern heavy money men.
And to be fair he was the prince that was promised to the republican party George the mad was not the ruler his father intended to take the crown.
Bush is trapped by it being commodity money (oil,NG, etc...) Sheldon could change the campaign financing picture overnight.
The thing about commodity money in america is that it goes into other industries like telecommunications and housing. Immigrants want to buy phones too.
I think the larger point is that finance money is bigger and doesn't have the geographical restrictions on their influence that commodity money does.
Hence why the Koch brothers are all pissy about the banks getting bailed out. They are in commodities because of the perceived security (economy goes to crap you still have a bunch of oil/corn/etc). Essentially the financial industry got no strings attached security on their products that billionaires like the Koch brothers could only dream of. They are losing the wealth accumulation race and they rightfully notice the government is a big part of why that is happening.
They're in commodities because they're in the states that have large amounts of these commodities. No one got rich at being a Maine oil man.
I think you underestimate how egotistical the average oil man is. College football games between texas university and texas A&M have bets of oil drills on it. these are the same people who got their money by going. "fuck it that looks like oil ground lets drill there and see what happens" and it came up black gold. They got the government to give them a tax free port to export their products. Can you imagine financial instruments people if they didn't have to pay any tax.... oh nvm.
"the Chinese build a 6 mile wall, we can do 2 miles", I always thought that was supposed to be a figure of speech, is he talking about building a literal wall? lol
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
On August 08 2015 11:59 Nyxisto wrote: "the Chinese build a 6 mile wall, we can do 2 miles", I always thought that was supposed to be a figure of speech, is he talking about building a literal wall? lol
You're just now realizing that Trump/ other Republicans are being literal? Yeah, they literally mean getting Mexicans to build an actual wall. It's not a metaphor lol.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
Trump didn't draw first...blood *puts on sunglasses*
Well played. On a related note (although more aimed at his other explicitly racist and sexist remarks), it really pisses me off when he defends explicitly bigoted statements with "Stop being politically correct." I'm not the PC Police, but there's a marked difference between being politically correct and being a prejudicial asshole. Trump is never politically correct, but he still sometimes goes too far.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
Trump didn't draw first...blood *puts on sunglasses*
Well played. On a related note (although more aimed at his other explicitly racist and sexist remarks), it really pisses me off when he defends explicitly bigoted statements with "Stop being politically correct." I'm not the PC Police, but there's a marked difference between being politically correct and being a prejudicial asshole. Trump is never politically correct, but he still sometimes goes too far.
If we learned anything over the past couple months its that the public doesnt really care if people say sexist or racist things. They act like they do so they can be seen on the right side of an issue, but in actuality nobody gives a shit. However, some have to pretend like they do in order to keep their job. Trump doesn't therefore he says whats on his mind and people respect the honestly, even if its wrong.
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".
This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
Trump didn't draw first...blood *puts on sunglasses*
Well played. On a related note (although more aimed at his other explicitly racist and sexist remarks), it really pisses me off when he defends explicitly bigoted statements with "Stop being politically correct." I'm not the PC Police, but there's a marked difference between being politically correct and being a prejudicial asshole. Trump is never politically correct, but he still sometimes goes too far.
If we learned anything over the past couple months its that the public doesnt really care if people say sexist or racist things. They act like they do so they can be seen on the right side of an issue, but in actuality nobody gives a shit. However, some have to pretend like they do in order to keep their job. Trump doesn't therefore he says whats on his mind and people respect the honestly, even if its wrong.
I definitely think people respect honesty and straightforwardness (especially in politics), but I don't think we can generalize to the entire public... I think that if a Democratic candidate joked about being a misogynist during the Democratic debate, the way Trump dismissed Megyn Kelly's question about tact and calling women a bunch of inappropriate names (which Trump joked about it being Rosie O'Donnell and the conservative audience cheered and laughed), I don't think the same response would have occurred in the liberal audience. Maybe it's because a lot of liberals are overly sensitive, but also I think it's because they just might appreciate a little more tact coming from a potential leader of the free world.
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tells a joke can be labeled the same is a person who goes out committing violent hate crimes against ethical minorities, game on.
Just because things of varying severity exist within the same group does not in any way diminish the severity of any given action. Stealing $10 is theft. Stealing $10,000,000 is theft. The word theft doesn't describe the severity of the action, it simply denotes the nature of the action. Your argument that calling Trump sexist for saying a bunch of sexist things diminishes the impact of other more severe sexist arguments is nonsense and completely fails to understand how language works.
A thief who steals $10 is not as bad a thief as one who steals $10,000,000 in the same way that Trump, who routinely objectifies and disrespects women on the basis of their gender (looks, period remarks etc) rather than their ability, is not as bad as a sexist who has his mother's dismembered corpse in his chest freezer. The existence of the $10,000,000 thief doesn't make the $10 thief not a thief and the existence of the $10 thief doesn't diminish the magnitude of the $10,000,000 thief. That's just not how it works.
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote: People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.
He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, game on.
No shit. The terms sexist and racist don't mean dick anymore. When any off-color comment (or even thought) warrants the terms, then damn near everyone's sexist and racist.
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