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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13956 Posts
August 08 2015 00:01 GMT
#43421
On August 08 2015 06:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 06:25 Sermokala wrote:
On August 08 2015 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 08 2015 06:03 Sermokala wrote:
The Bush family has a fundraising war machine unlike anything seen in modern history. they've got old money contacts from the nixon-reagen days that they've been able to use as credibility to relate to more modern heavy money men.

And to be fair he was the prince that was promised to the republican party George the mad was not the ruler his father intended to take the crown.


Bush is trapped by it being commodity money (oil,NG, etc...) Sheldon could change the campaign financing picture overnight.

The thing about commodity money in america is that it goes into other industries like telecommunications and housing. Immigrants want to buy phones too.


I think the larger point is that finance money is bigger and doesn't have the geographical restrictions on their influence that commodity money does.

Hence why the Koch brothers are all pissy about the banks getting bailed out. They are in commodities because of the perceived security (economy goes to crap you still have a bunch of oil/corn/etc). Essentially the financial industry got no strings attached security on their products that billionaires like the Koch brothers could only dream of. They are losing the wealth accumulation race and they rightfully notice the government is a big part of why that is happening.

They're in commodities because they're in the states that have large amounts of these commodities. No one got rich at being a Maine oil man.

I think you underestimate how egotistical the average oil man is. College football games between texas university and texas A&M have bets of oil drills on it. these are the same people who got their money by going. "fuck it that looks like oil ground lets drill there and see what happens" and it came up black gold. They got the government to give them a tax free port to export their products. Can you imagine financial instruments people if they didn't have to pay any tax.... oh nvm.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 08 2015 02:20 GMT
#43422
Trump had a long interview with Don Lemon an hour ago looking back on the debate and policy issues
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44377 Posts
August 08 2015 02:34 GMT
#43423
Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".



~ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250641-trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever

This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 03:00:08
August 08 2015 02:59 GMT
#43424
"the Chinese build a 6 mile wall, we can do 2 miles", I always thought that was supposed to be a figure of speech, is he talking about building a literal wall? lol
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 03:05:06
August 08 2015 03:04 GMT
#43425
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

~ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250641-trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever

This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.

Trump didn't draw first *puts on sunglasses* blood.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44377 Posts
August 08 2015 03:04 GMT
#43426
On August 08 2015 11:59 Nyxisto wrote:
"the Chinese build a 6 mile wall, we can do 2 miles", I always thought that was supposed to be a figure of speech, is he talking about building a literal wall? lol


You're just now realizing that Trump/ other Republicans are being literal? Yeah, they literally mean getting Mexicans to build an actual wall. It's not a metaphor lol.

It's that crazy.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
August 08 2015 03:06 GMT
#43427
Just some German advice, if someone intends to build a giant wall around your country, just elect someone else.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44377 Posts
August 08 2015 03:07 GMT
#43428
On August 08 2015 12:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

~ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250641-trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever

This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.

Trump didn't draw first...blood *puts on sunglasses*


Well played. On a related note (although more aimed at his other explicitly racist and sexist remarks), it really pisses me off when he defends explicitly bigoted statements with "Stop being politically correct." I'm not the PC Police, but there's a marked difference between being politically correct and being a prejudicial asshole. Trump is never politically correct, but he still sometimes goes too far.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 03:23:42
August 08 2015 03:21 GMT
#43429
On August 08 2015 12:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 12:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

~ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250641-trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever

This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.

Trump didn't draw first...blood *puts on sunglasses*


Well played. On a related note (although more aimed at his other explicitly racist and sexist remarks), it really pisses me off when he defends explicitly bigoted statements with "Stop being politically correct." I'm not the PC Police, but there's a marked difference between being politically correct and being a prejudicial asshole. Trump is never politically correct, but he still sometimes goes too far.

If we learned anything over the past couple months its that the public doesnt really care if people say sexist or racist things. They act like they do so they can be seen on the right side of an issue, but in actuality nobody gives a shit. However, some have to pretend like they do in order to keep their job. Trump doesn't therefore he says whats on his mind and people respect the honestly, even if its wrong.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44377 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 03:27:49
August 08 2015 03:27 GMT
#43430
On August 08 2015 12:21 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 12:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 08 2015 12:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 08 2015 11:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Yeah I just saw that... here's a clip, where Trump says that there was blood coming out of her eyes, and blood coming out of her "wherever".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M28z9y4yT6Y

~ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250641-trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever

This is shitty, even for Trump. Basically saying she was on her period? What the fuck.

Trump didn't draw first...blood *puts on sunglasses*


Well played. On a related note (although more aimed at his other explicitly racist and sexist remarks), it really pisses me off when he defends explicitly bigoted statements with "Stop being politically correct." I'm not the PC Police, but there's a marked difference between being politically correct and being a prejudicial asshole. Trump is never politically correct, but he still sometimes goes too far.

If we learned anything over the past couple months its that the public doesnt really care if people say sexist or racist things. They act like they do so they can be seen on the right side of an issue, but in actuality nobody gives a shit. However, some have to pretend like they do in order to keep their job. Trump doesn't therefore he says whats on his mind and people respect the honestly, even if its wrong.


I definitely think people respect honesty and straightforwardness (especially in politics), but I don't think we can generalize to the entire public... I think that if a Democratic candidate joked about being a misogynist during the Democratic debate, the way Trump dismissed Megyn Kelly's question about tact and calling women a bunch of inappropriate names (which Trump joked about it being Rosie O'Donnell and the conservative audience cheered and laughed), I don't think the same response would have occurred in the liberal audience. Maybe it's because a lot of liberals are overly sensitive, but also I think it's because they just might appreciate a little more tact coming from a potential leader of the free world.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 03:31:59
August 08 2015 03:31 GMT
#43431
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 08 2015 03:34 GMT
#43432
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go

and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 04:20:24
August 08 2015 03:38 GMT
#43433
because suggesting that Megyn Kelly was asking bad questions because she was on her period isn't sexist? Are you insane?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
August 08 2015 04:02 GMT
#43434
On August 08 2015 12:06 Nyxisto wrote:
Just some German advice, if someone intends to build a giant wall around your country, just elect someone else.

This is my favourite post on tl in a while.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44377 Posts
August 08 2015 04:24 GMT
#43435
On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go

and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time


Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.

He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
August 08 2015 04:41 GMT
#43436
The fuck does "taking a lot of incoming" mean. I love Donald Trump.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 05:10:45
August 08 2015 05:04 GMT
#43437
On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go

and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time


Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.

He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.

Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, slippery slope
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 08 2015 05:12 GMT
#43438
Donald Trump is the logical conclusion of the grandstanding, spectacle making, billion-dollar marketing extravaganza that is the US election process.

Why bother taking the US President race seriously if a good third (if not more) of the country would rather have a show?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
August 08 2015 05:12 GMT
#43439
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go

and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time


Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.

He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.

Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tells a joke can be labeled the same is a person who goes out committing violent hate crimes against ethical minorities, game on.

Just because things of varying severity exist within the same group does not in any way diminish the severity of any given action. Stealing $10 is theft. Stealing $10,000,000 is theft. The word theft doesn't describe the severity of the action, it simply denotes the nature of the action. Your argument that calling Trump sexist for saying a bunch of sexist things diminishes the impact of other more severe sexist arguments is nonsense and completely fails to understand how language works.

A thief who steals $10 is not as bad a thief as one who steals $10,000,000 in the same way that Trump, who routinely objectifies and disrespects women on the basis of their gender (looks, period remarks etc) rather than their ability, is not as bad as a sexist who has his mother's dismembered corpse in his chest freezer. The existence of the $10,000,000 thief doesn't make the $10 thief not a thief and the existence of the $10 thief doesn't diminish the magnitude of the $10,000,000 thief. That's just not how it works.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-08 05:12:59
August 08 2015 05:12 GMT
#43440
On August 08 2015 14:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2015 13:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 08 2015 12:34 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On August 08 2015 12:31 Nyxisto wrote:
People like Trump talking about political correctness and honesty makes about as much sense as Glenn Beck using the "first they came..." Niemöller quote to defend his nonsense.If you want to say something incredibly ignorant just say something about your free speech rights and PC beforehand and you're good to go

and if you want to shut someone up that doesn't agree with your position, call them a bigot, racist, sexist, prejudice, misogynist, etc and your good to go...except it didnt work this time


Well to be fair, Trump is/ does say things that suggest he's a bigot, racist, misogynist, etc. etc.

He- like all other candidates- should be held accountable for his rhetoric.

Then now is a great time to be an actual sexist or racist. If someone who tries to make a joke can be labeled the same as a person who goes out committing violent acts of hate against ethical minorities, game on.

No shit. The terms sexist and racist don't mean dick anymore. When any off-color comment (or even thought) warrants the terms, then damn near everyone's sexist and racist.
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