EPTPeople are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America.
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11521 Posts
It is a very good political statement because everyone can read what they want into it. There are no qualifiers, and of course for everyone there is a level of political correctness that is too much. However, most of the time, it just implies that people are actually assholes and want to be assholes, they just have this thin layer of political correctness imposed upon them by the PC police to stop them from spouting racist and sexists remarks at every corner. I think this is weird. I have never felt the need to not say something i want to say because of political correctness. Being politically correct should hopefully not be something you do because society imposes it upon you, but something you do out of intrinsic motivations. I have never felt this need to be an asshole in private that appears to dominate some peoples lives so much that they are sad they can't be an asshole in public, too. And of course this is not about imposing a thought police onto people. People should be able to legally say whatever dickish thing they want to say. But society really shouldn't be as accepting of a racist sexist asshole as the republican voter base appears to be. If someone like trump manages to be a forerunner in the republican candidate election, that says a lot about that electorate. Mostly that apparently a large portion of them are assholes. Also, i love how Danglars tries to turn the whole thing upside down by calling everyone who does not agree with sexism and racism "Victorian puritans". | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
Prestige ideology in turn attracts the ambitious and idealistic, because as Mme. de Stael once wrote, the appeal of power rests not in the self-interest of those who align with it, but in its resemblance to destiny. Resentment against PCness always has some of the aspects of class resentment, because it is by nature a thing which both unites and divides people. And although resentment against the liberal-progressive elite may be general and even majoritarian, those general resentments have no power of concentration, and therefore their resistance is dispersed in guerilla actions across the entire horizon of society. Donald Trump is an expression of their attempt to find unity, an enterprise which has all the hopelessness of an Arab Revolt. Personally, I have always been openly racist, sexist, etc. and an independence of mind will necessarily inflict those pejoratives on anyone who is not an Albigensian in a heretical world, even if one's natural deportment is merely one of sceptical aloofness. There is no way to escape it; it is better to map out the insults in advance and shrug at them, so that one would not be unduly tempted by the feelings of revenge which tempts people towards people like Donald Trump, and far worse than him. Not being "an asshole" is important to me, but being an "asshole" in the PC-vocabulary has very particular meaning in comparison to its historical precedents. It does not regulate manners, but regulates the truth, which would be no fault in itself if those who assert the truth were actually thinking men, but they rarely are. | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
Also, ATLANTA— Donald Trump was disinvited from a gathering of influential conservatives here this weekend after he made an apparently indelicate remark about Fox News host Megyn Kelly, one of the moderators of Thursday night’s GOP presidential debate. Erick Erickson, an influential conservative blogger who organized the annual Red State Gathering, formally rescinded Mr. Trump’s invitation to appear on Saturday night at an event sponsored by the website. “As much as I do personally like Donald Trump, his comment about Megyn Kelly on CNN is a bridge too far for me,” Mr. Erickson wrote on Red State late Friday night. The latest Trump-related controversy stems from a Friday night interview the celebrity real-estate mogul gave to CNN. In it, Mr. Trump lashed out at Ms. Kelly, the Fox anchor who asked him about his history of making incendiary remarks about women. He told the rival cable-news network, “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her…wherever.” The comment sparked a feverish debate on Twitter about what Mr. Trump was referring to when he noted the “blood coming out of her wherever,” with many speculating that the line was a reference to menstruation. Organizers of the Red State Gathering responded quickly by canceling Mr. Trump’s appearance Saturday night at a tailgate party hosted by the organizers of the event. “I think there is no way to otherwise interpret Mr. Trump’s comment,” Mr. Erickson wrote. “In an attempted clarification, Mr. Trump’s team tells me he meant ‘whatever’, not ‘wherever.’” Conservative Group Rescinds Trump Invitation Over Remarks | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Being an asshole: "Your mother is a whore" "Women are stupid/hormonal" "Black people complain too much" "It's nice to be teaching somebody who's not asian for once" -True story during my drivers ed Failing to be PC but making a good point: "Part of why Wall St. companies are so male and white is actually the way Civil Rights lawsuits work. Women and minorities are basically encouraged to sue for lots of money when fired, and usually win these lawsuits. Most people who get hired in Wall St. don't cut it and eventually get fired. This creates a perverse incentive, and means that even non-racist, non-sexist people at these firms are cautious about hiring candidates who are 'un-fireable' basically setting up a much higher bar for female or minority candidates." <--Nothing prejudicial about minorities, but, since it's on the wrong side of something with "Civil Rights" on the tin and because it's "victim blaming" if you don't understand that systems affect people, it gets labeled as un-PC Being PC but still being an asshole: "I don't even see race..." | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Approximately one million gallons of orange-colored mine tailings wastewater has spilled into the Animas River in southwestern Colorado, forcing several river recreation businesses to close and irrigation companies to suspend water delivery to hundreds of local farmers. A team of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulators probing contamination at the abandoned Gold King Mine in San Juan County on Thursday accidently released the wastewater into Cement Creek, which flows into the Animas River, EPA spokesman Rich Mylott said. Most of the wastewater, which contains heavy metals and other toxins that can be harmful to humans and aquatic life, spilled into the creek within an hour, the EPA said in a statement on Friday. Though a lighter flow of contaminated water continues to flow into the creek, the agency has begun diverting it into a settling pond. In an attempt to control the impact of the spill, Sheriff Sean Smith of nearby La Plata County on Thursday issued an order closing the Animas River to the public from the north county line (San Juan County) to the Colorado-New Mexico border in the south, according to a statement published on the La Plata County website. “This decision was made in the interest of public health after consultation with the EPA, the Colorado Department of Health and Environment, San Juan Basin Health Department and representatives of the Southern Ute Indian Tribe,” Smith said in the statement. The order would be reevaluated after the EPA announced water test results, Smith added. Initial EPA tests have detected various levels of lead, arsenic, aluminum and copper in the river. The agency said it was testing water samples as far downstream as New Mexico to determine when the wastewater had diluted sufficiently enough for the river to be declared safe again. Results were expected as early as Friday evening. In the city of Durango, about 50 miles downstream from the Animas River and 30 miles north of the New Mexico border, locals told Al Jazeera that the river’s closure had drastically impacted their livelihoods. The spill forced local rafting and kayaking companies, a cornerstone of Durango’s economy, to cancel tours and rental services indefinitely. Source | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44378 Posts
On August 08 2015 16:01 radscorpion9 wrote: To be honest this does feel like a bizarro world sometimes. The things people say in high school are 10x worse than this. Suddenly when you enter the world of adulthood people are offended at the slightest implication. Is saying 'she's angry because she's on her period' something *really* super offensive and sexist, or is it no worse than any joke you hear on the school yard between kids? This is extremely tame by comparison, if you remember anything from those days. I just can't understand how people can live through high school and all of the other private jokes that go on between adults, but then turn around and publicly demonstrate such outrage at a person's relatively tame comment. I think the main issue there is that we're talking about a presidential candidate. Such a position and profession requires a level of tact, diplomacy, respectfulness, and professionalism that Trump hasn't exhibited. Schoolchildren aren't even adults, let alone being asked to take on arguably the most mature and important position in the entire world. Sure, kids haven't grown up yet so they're going to say immature shit. That doesn't mean Trump deserves the same leniency though. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44378 Posts
On August 08 2015 16:43 Introvert wrote: I wonder what it's like to reject the obvious reason for a phenomenon for one of your own creation. One only the most partisan of hacks actually believe. More useless days of "analysis" from people who think they know their opposition but continually display their ignorance of those they disagree with. This thread is a good example. Besides one poster, I can't think of a single person expressing a positive view of Trump on the whole. Yet, from what we read here, we are supposed to find the hidden sexism come into play. One must wonder. If the Racist Republicans have gone to so much trouble to hide their bigotry, why support a man supposedly so open about it? Would that not defeat and undermine everything they have worked to accomplish? Why not support one of the secret racists? Someone who talks like they do in public? But such a critical thought doesn't even get a passing consideration- the data must be viewed in such a way that it fits the already believed explanation. I'm not certain if I'm understanding your post properly, but I disagree with the premise that a lot of the conservative party has been even attempting to hide their bigotry. I think that a lot of it has been rather explicit! You look at Fox News with their War On Christians/ Whites/ The Rich/ other stereotypical "Check your privilege" contexts, and it's abundantly clear that they'll say and do anything to keep the status quo. Same with the South and the riots with taking down the Confederate Flag, or Texas and their rewriting of history books to remove the KKK and Jim Crowe laws, etc. Plenty of conservatives aren't bigots or jerks, but the #1 conservative media outlet- and much of the sensationalist news coverage- certainly makes it look like plenty of Republicans have no reservations about saying and doing things that are socially backwards. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44378 Posts
On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote: As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all. People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. I agree with you agreeing with me. I get that it's "refreshing" to see a straight-shooter who has no censor, but at the same time the things he's saying are just straight-up embarrassing. Bernie Sanders has also been very straightforward, but he doesn't go around saying dick-ish and disrespectful things. That's why I like him. I get that Trump is doing well and that his gameplan is working as far as popularity is concerned, but that doesn't mean he's not a scumbag for saying and doing bigoted things. He doesn't get a moral pass for having a bunch of like-minded followers. On August 08 2015 19:38 Simberto wrote: Also, regarding the "people are too PC" thing. It is a very good political statement because everyone can read what they want into it. There are no qualifiers, and of course for everyone there is a level of political correctness that is too much. However, most of the time, it just implies that people are actually assholes and want to be assholes, they just have this thin layer of political correctness imposed upon them by the PC police to stop them from spouting racist and sexists remarks at every corner. I think this is weird. I have never felt the need to not say something i want to say because of political correctness. Being politically correct should hopefully not be something you do because society imposes it upon you, but something you do out of intrinsic motivations. I have never felt this need to be an asshole in private that appears to dominate some peoples lives so much that they are sad they can't be an asshole in public, too. And of course this is not about imposing a thought police onto people. People should be able to legally say whatever dickish thing they want to say. But society really shouldn't be as accepting of a racist sexist asshole as the republican voter base appears to be. If someone like trump manages to be a forerunner in the republican candidate election, that says a lot about that electorate. Mostly that apparently a large portion of them are assholes. Also, i love how Danglars tries to turn the whole thing upside down by calling everyone who does not agree with sexism and racism "Victorian puritans". I love your post. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44378 Posts
On August 09 2015 00:44 KwarK wrote: Trump has subsequently explained that he was using "wherever" as a euphemistic term meaning nose. Apparently he thought she was trying to get him because she was bleeding from her nose. Honestly if we've reached the point where we can't discuss our noses on television political correctness has gone too far. LOL "nose". 0% of any group would believe that for a second. On August 08 2015 21:01 farvacola wrote: Always fun to see ole' Moltke pop his head in 😊 Also, Conservative Group Rescinds Trump Invitation Over Remarks Most irrelevant clarification ever? People refer to a woman's vagina as both a What and a Where... | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On August 08 2015 18:22 Djabanete wrote: As a poster above said, this is simply about calling a spade a spade. Trump is racist. Trump is sexist. He's also many other things, including shallow, egomaniacal, and an all-around piece of work. I'm not maligning him or twisting something he has said. I'm not being politically correct when I say this; I'm being correct. It's his campaign promise: Shallow, egomaniacal, racist, sexist, piece of work will appeal to your lowest instincts. That's all. People are flocking to him. Congratulations, Republican party, and congratulations, America. Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
Love it, keep it going. Also, know that we are very hopeful that Trump will actually run. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44378 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:11 whatisthisasheep wrote: Or mabye you are just a significance junkie who likes to assign meaning to every nuance Trump makes in order to morally satiate yourself. I'm still not sure that Megyn Kelly's vagina is going to decide this election. This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. On August 08 2015 16:08 Danglars wrote: And you're all up in arms about misogynistic comments like everybody that laughs at the Rosie O'Donnell jokes thinks women are subhuman. The man's a loose cannon, but the humor is the faux-moral outrage when he dares to cross protected groups ... simply put, groups you aren't allowed to criticize. The reaction we all can see is THE reason you hear applause when he ignores the silliness and goes straight to the political correctness curse. The reaction is the heart of the matter and people, like yourself, that would be better off dismissing buffoons feed the dragon with the righteous indignation of 19th century prudes. (And those Victorians were so much better dressed when they did it, too!) I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Chris Christie's presidential campaign said Friday that the New Jersey governor did not lie, but rather misspoke, when he said during a Republican primary debate that he was appointed U.S. attorney the day before 9/11. Christie made the comment in response to a question from moderator and Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly about national security and mass government surveillance, which would lead to a shouting match between the governor and his longtime adversary Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY). "I'm the only person on this stage who's actually filed applications under the Patriot Act, who have gone before the Foreign Intelligence Service Court [sic], who has prosecuted and investigated and jailed terrorists in the country after Sept. 11," he responded. "I was appointed U.S. attorney by President Bush on Sept. 10, 2001. The world changed enormously the next day and it happened in my state. This is not theoretical to me." Journalist Marcy Wheeler was the first to point out that Christie's timeline was off. While it was widely expected around the time of the 9/11 terror attacks that Bush would appoint Christie as a U.S. attorney, the former President didn't announce his intention to nominate Christie until December 2001. Christie was confirmed and began work as New Jersey's top prosecutor in January 2002. A Christie campaign spokeswoman told NJ.com that Christie had gotten a call from Bush about his intentions to nominate him on the day before 9/11. Source | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44378 Posts
I think he repeated it twice or three times iirc. "I misspoke; I didn't lie" always rubs me the wrong way. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Meh. That's in the category of "reasonable mistake." As in, I can imagine thinking of the phone call from the president offering the job as the "appointment" even tho if he thought about it that wasn't technically true. Like if a President talked about becoming president on election day. Or Idra thinking a game was over after losing a mutalisk. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On August 09 2015 01:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: This isn't an isolated incident though. He's already made cracks at Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. It's very divisive rhetoric, and him being honest with his bigotry shouldn't be equated with it being good for our country or progress as human beings. I'm disappointed with what he says, and I'm disappointed with how some of the crowd received it. Obviously, they're a lot more like-minded with Trump than I am, but I don't see how it's not embarrassing for a conservative crowd to relish in repeated bigotry and not want to distance itself from it. I suppose it's a mob mentality, but it's not like this is Trump's only inappropriate comment. Because people don't actually care. Michael Jackson was a child molester but he made good music so he is loved. Chris Brown beats the shit out of women but he can dance well so he is adored. People overlook the bad and focus on what they like. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
It's ridiculous. They're hamstringing themselves in both the general election and the primary. One of these candidates needs to stop going for the rightwing assholes and just be a regular conservative. I think Kevin Williamson from the National Review has it right: That Trump for a hot minute is leading in the GOP-primary polls may tell us something useful about the Right, its constituents, and its internal politics, namely that the problem with populist conservatism is that it is populist but not conservative. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422116/donald-trump-and-american-id-kevin-d-williamson?target=author&tid=903320 EDIT: I'm a liberal who's dissatisfied with Hillary, and this shit is disappointing. Can we just get 2004 Romney back or something. | ||
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