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it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines
lol if iran thinks this will happen they are delusional.
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Well, really, there are just dueling, propaganda "factsheets", which is really the point of the story: that the White House fact sheet is also full of crap.
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On April 16 2015 21:55 oneofthem wrote:
it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines
lol if iran thinks this will happen they are delusional.
Yes, but they can want that and use it as a position from which to negotiate. Just as the US/west can want to abolish all nuclear infrastructure everywhere in Iran.
Neither position is a realistic outcome, but they are valid starting points as long as both sides are willing to accept that it is never going to happen and something in the middle is going to have to suffice.
That said, both sides are posturing at the moment and trying to get into a position to get as many details as possible go their way within the framework already negotiated on.
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On April 16 2015 22:12 cLutZ wrote:
Well, really, there are just dueling, propaganda "factsheets", which is really the point of the story: that the White House fact sheet is also full of crap.
No, a spuriously sourced, inflammatory document that represents the fringe political desires of ultra-conservative Iranian politicians as the actual terms of the deal already reached is not a basis for questioning a legitimate White House press release.
Unless, that is, your name is Ann Coulter or Michael Savage.
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On April 16 2015 20:52 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 20:03 coverpunch wrote:Iran issues its fact sheet of the deal:The period for the Join Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) should be limited to five years, in which about 10,000 active centrifuges operating at Natanz and Fordo now will continue nuclear fuel production by enriching uranium below the 5% grade.
The UF6 enriched reserves which are under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should be kept at Fordo nuclear plant and will be turned into nuclear fuel complex based on the existing capabilities.
During the five-year period, the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue to keep the excess centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo or will gradually dismantle them, and at the end of the 5-year period, it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines with the help of the new spaces and infrastructures which will have been already prepared and will use them without any limitation. So...this already contradicts all the major points of the deal issued by the White House. It is 5 years instead of 10, 10000 centrifuges instead of 6000, 5% grade instead of 3.67%, Iran keeps the excess centrifuges instead of handing them to the IAEA, they actively promise new infrastructure instead of agreeing to not build any new facilities, and they say absolutely nothing about refraining from building nuclear weapons. They go on to say research will continue at Fordow and Arak and they insist on ending the sanctions immediately and entirely, which also contradicts the White House deal. This deal is...not as good as the White House one. That's a conservative and religious news source with questionable motivations. Did you not find it odd that no one else is carrying this story, not even Al Jazeera?
I treated them as the mouthpiece of the Iranian regime. I don't think they're a "conservative and religious news source" because that would imply they're at all independent. I think they say what the Iranian government wants them to say, in the same way that RT speaks for Moscow and Xinhua speaks for China. They're reputable to the extent that they speak for the regime.
And my whole point is that their fact sheet differs materially from the fact sheet provided by the US State Department, which makes the questions of fact very strange.
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On April 16 2015 22:12 cLutZ wrote:
Well, really, there are just dueling, propaganda "factsheets", which is really the point of the story: that the White House fact sheet is also full of crap.
Well, no. There's two different things here.
If Iran presents their "fact sheet" as the outcome of the dealings so far, then either the White House or Iran, or both are lying. However, at the time, Iran seemed to agree with the White House that what was publicized was in fact the outcome of the negotiations in Switzerland.
Now they can try to backpedal and get a better deal, but that was the framework for the deal at the time, and there did not seem to be any dispute about it until this far-right religious website posted a contradicting "fact sheet", which seems to not be a fact sheet at all, but more of a "wish list".
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On April 16 2015 22:16 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 20:52 farvacola wrote:On April 16 2015 20:03 coverpunch wrote:Iran issues its fact sheet of the deal:The period for the Join Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) should be limited to five years, in which about 10,000 active centrifuges operating at Natanz and Fordo now will continue nuclear fuel production by enriching uranium below the 5% grade.
The UF6 enriched reserves which are under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should be kept at Fordo nuclear plant and will be turned into nuclear fuel complex based on the existing capabilities.
During the five-year period, the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue to keep the excess centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo or will gradually dismantle them, and at the end of the 5-year period, it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines with the help of the new spaces and infrastructures which will have been already prepared and will use them without any limitation. So...this already contradicts all the major points of the deal issued by the White House. It is 5 years instead of 10, 10000 centrifuges instead of 6000, 5% grade instead of 3.67%, Iran keeps the excess centrifuges instead of handing them to the IAEA, they actively promise new infrastructure instead of agreeing to not build any new facilities, and they say absolutely nothing about refraining from building nuclear weapons. They go on to say research will continue at Fordow and Arak and they insist on ending the sanctions immediately and entirely, which also contradicts the White House deal. This deal is...not as good as the White House one. That's a conservative and religious news source with questionable motivations. Did you not find it odd that no one else is carrying this story, not even Al Jazeera? I treated them as the mouthpiece of the Iranian regime. I don't think they're a "conservative and religious news source" because that would imply they're at all independent. I think they say what the Iranian government wants them to say, in the same way that RT speaks for Moscow and Xinhua speaks for China. They're reputable to the extent that they speak for the regime. And my whole point is that their fact sheet differs materially from the fact sheet provided by the US State Department, which makes the questions of fact very strange.
Except at this point it looks like the Iran sheet is a wish list from several of their politicians and not a communique from those in the actual negotiation.
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On April 16 2015 22:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 22:16 coverpunch wrote:On April 16 2015 20:52 farvacola wrote:On April 16 2015 20:03 coverpunch wrote:Iran issues its fact sheet of the deal:The period for the Join Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) should be limited to five years, in which about 10,000 active centrifuges operating at Natanz and Fordo now will continue nuclear fuel production by enriching uranium below the 5% grade.
The UF6 enriched reserves which are under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should be kept at Fordo nuclear plant and will be turned into nuclear fuel complex based on the existing capabilities.
During the five-year period, the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue to keep the excess centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo or will gradually dismantle them, and at the end of the 5-year period, it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines with the help of the new spaces and infrastructures which will have been already prepared and will use them without any limitation. So...this already contradicts all the major points of the deal issued by the White House. It is 5 years instead of 10, 10000 centrifuges instead of 6000, 5% grade instead of 3.67%, Iran keeps the excess centrifuges instead of handing them to the IAEA, they actively promise new infrastructure instead of agreeing to not build any new facilities, and they say absolutely nothing about refraining from building nuclear weapons. They go on to say research will continue at Fordow and Arak and they insist on ending the sanctions immediately and entirely, which also contradicts the White House deal. This deal is...not as good as the White House one. That's a conservative and religious news source with questionable motivations. Did you not find it odd that no one else is carrying this story, not even Al Jazeera? I treated them as the mouthpiece of the Iranian regime. I don't think they're a "conservative and religious news source" because that would imply they're at all independent. I think they say what the Iranian government wants them to say, in the same way that RT speaks for Moscow and Xinhua speaks for China. They're reputable to the extent that they speak for the regime. And my whole point is that their fact sheet differs materially from the fact sheet provided by the US State Department, which makes the questions of fact very strange. Except at this point it looks like the Iran sheet is a wish list from several of their politicians and not a communique from those in the actual negotiation.
Based on a Radio Free Europe article that provides no basis for that.
The Fars article says:
The factsheet which was presented by Head of the Nuclear Committee Ebrahim Karkhaneyee on Wednesday stresses the necessity for respecting the redlines and guidelines specified by Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei
I have no idea what the truth is for now and we'll have to see if the Iranians treat this as official or if they reject it as a hardline tactic to spike negotiations. But you're expanding way beyond a source that itself is pretty questionable.
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On April 16 2015 22:24 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 22:19 Gorsameth wrote:On April 16 2015 22:16 coverpunch wrote:On April 16 2015 20:52 farvacola wrote:On April 16 2015 20:03 coverpunch wrote:Iran issues its fact sheet of the deal:The period for the Join Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) should be limited to five years, in which about 10,000 active centrifuges operating at Natanz and Fordo now will continue nuclear fuel production by enriching uranium below the 5% grade.
The UF6 enriched reserves which are under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should be kept at Fordo nuclear plant and will be turned into nuclear fuel complex based on the existing capabilities.
During the five-year period, the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue to keep the excess centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo or will gradually dismantle them, and at the end of the 5-year period, it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines with the help of the new spaces and infrastructures which will have been already prepared and will use them without any limitation. So...this already contradicts all the major points of the deal issued by the White House. It is 5 years instead of 10, 10000 centrifuges instead of 6000, 5% grade instead of 3.67%, Iran keeps the excess centrifuges instead of handing them to the IAEA, they actively promise new infrastructure instead of agreeing to not build any new facilities, and they say absolutely nothing about refraining from building nuclear weapons. They go on to say research will continue at Fordow and Arak and they insist on ending the sanctions immediately and entirely, which also contradicts the White House deal. This deal is...not as good as the White House one. That's a conservative and religious news source with questionable motivations. Did you not find it odd that no one else is carrying this story, not even Al Jazeera? I treated them as the mouthpiece of the Iranian regime. I don't think they're a "conservative and religious news source" because that would imply they're at all independent. I think they say what the Iranian government wants them to say, in the same way that RT speaks for Moscow and Xinhua speaks for China. They're reputable to the extent that they speak for the regime. And my whole point is that their fact sheet differs materially from the fact sheet provided by the US State Department, which makes the questions of fact very strange. Except at this point it looks like the Iran sheet is a wish list from several of their politicians and not a communique from those in the actual negotiation. Based on a Radio Free Europe article that provides no basis for that. The Fars article says: Show nested quote +The factsheet which was presented by Head of the Nuclear Committee Ebrahim Karkhaneyee on Wednesday stresses the necessity for respecting the redlines and guidelines specified by Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei I have no idea what the truth is for now and we'll have to see if the Iranians treat this as official or if they reject it as a hardline tactic to spike negotiations. But you're expanding way beyond a source that itself is pretty questionable.
The Fars new states it is a recommendation for revision aswell.
he Iranian parliament's Nuclear Committee on Wednesday released a factsheet to declare the revisions needed to be made in the Lausanne statement that was issued by Tehran and the world powers as a framework understanding at the end of their nuclear talks in Switzerland earlier this month.
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On April 16 2015 22:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 22:12 cLutZ wrote:
Well, really, there are just dueling, propaganda "factsheets", which is really the point of the story: that the White House fact sheet is also full of crap. Well, no. There's two different things here. If Iran presents their "fact sheet" as the outcome of the dealings so far, then either the White House or Iran, or both are lying. However, at the time, Iran seemed to agree with the White House that what was publicized was in fact the outcome of the negotiations in Switzerland. Now they can try to backpedal and get a better deal, but that was the framework for the deal at the time, and there did not seem to be any dispute about it until this far-right religious website posted a contradicting "fact sheet", which seems to not be a fact sheet at all, but more of a "wish list".
Iran (the Ayatollah) said that the original factsheet was incorrect when it was released.
Also, if you give weight to the statements of this (or any so long as I have been alive) White House that aren't given under penalty of perjury...
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On April 16 2015 22:12 cLutZ wrote:
Well, really, there are just dueling, propaganda "factsheets", which is really the point of the story: that the White House fact sheet is also full of crap.
are you an ultra-nationalist iranian?
this difference in 'fact sheets' shows that there's indeed serious struggle going on and the white house is striving for a tough bargain, exactly a position rightwing iranians would find full of crap while americans and israelis should take comfort in.
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On April 16 2015 22:32 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 22:24 coverpunch wrote:On April 16 2015 22:19 Gorsameth wrote:On April 16 2015 22:16 coverpunch wrote:On April 16 2015 20:52 farvacola wrote:On April 16 2015 20:03 coverpunch wrote:Iran issues its fact sheet of the deal:The period for the Join Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) should be limited to five years, in which about 10,000 active centrifuges operating at Natanz and Fordo now will continue nuclear fuel production by enriching uranium below the 5% grade.
The UF6 enriched reserves which are under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should be kept at Fordo nuclear plant and will be turned into nuclear fuel complex based on the existing capabilities.
During the five-year period, the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue to keep the excess centrifuges installed at Natanz and Fordo or will gradually dismantle them, and at the end of the 5-year period, it will replace all the existing centrifuges, including the active or inactive ones, with the new generation of (IR-N) centrifuge machines with the help of the new spaces and infrastructures which will have been already prepared and will use them without any limitation. So...this already contradicts all the major points of the deal issued by the White House. It is 5 years instead of 10, 10000 centrifuges instead of 6000, 5% grade instead of 3.67%, Iran keeps the excess centrifuges instead of handing them to the IAEA, they actively promise new infrastructure instead of agreeing to not build any new facilities, and they say absolutely nothing about refraining from building nuclear weapons. They go on to say research will continue at Fordow and Arak and they insist on ending the sanctions immediately and entirely, which also contradicts the White House deal. This deal is...not as good as the White House one. That's a conservative and religious news source with questionable motivations. Did you not find it odd that no one else is carrying this story, not even Al Jazeera? I treated them as the mouthpiece of the Iranian regime. I don't think they're a "conservative and religious news source" because that would imply they're at all independent. I think they say what the Iranian government wants them to say, in the same way that RT speaks for Moscow and Xinhua speaks for China. They're reputable to the extent that they speak for the regime. And my whole point is that their fact sheet differs materially from the fact sheet provided by the US State Department, which makes the questions of fact very strange. Except at this point it looks like the Iran sheet is a wish list from several of their politicians and not a communique from those in the actual negotiation. Based on a Radio Free Europe article that provides no basis for that. The Fars article says: The factsheet which was presented by Head of the Nuclear Committee Ebrahim Karkhaneyee on Wednesday stresses the necessity for respecting the redlines and guidelines specified by Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei I have no idea what the truth is for now and we'll have to see if the Iranians treat this as official or if they reject it as a hardline tactic to spike negotiations. But you're expanding way beyond a source that itself is pretty questionable. The Fars new states it is a recommendation for revision aswell. Show nested quote +he Iranian parliament's Nuclear Committee on Wednesday released a factsheet to declare the revisions needed to be made in the Lausanne statement that was issued by Tehran and the world powers as a framework understanding at the end of their nuclear talks in Switzerland earlier this month.
Well, now is it a wish list or a set of recommendations? Those are pretty different things.
EDIT: I'm very curious to see what Zarif and the ayatollah have to say about this. It would be interesting if they reject it in the same way that President Obama categorically rejected the open letter by the 47 Republican senators. And Fars has made some pretty dumb mistakes before. I just think they would only publish it if this was the will of the Iranian government and not just some "renegade lawmakers".
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primary source in question seems like a lawmaker's public statement, kidn of equivalent of the republicans in congress making a declaration about a b c requirements they want.
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The Tulsa County Sheriff's office ordered supervisors to falsify the training record of the reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect after mistaking his revolver for his Taser, sources told the Tulsa World.
Reserve deputy Robert C. Bates, 73, faces manslaughter charges after he allegedly mistook this revolver for a Taser and fatally shot a suspect in an undercover operation April 2.
From the Tulsa World:
Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.
Multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the newspaper that at least three of Bates' supervisors had been transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-mandated training. The World notes that "the sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007."
The Sheriff's Office denied that documents were falsified or that supervisors were reassigned because they wouldn't sign off on Bates' training. The office announced Thursday that it will conduct a review of its reserve deputy training program.
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On April 17 2015 02:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +The Tulsa County Sheriff's office ordered supervisors to falsify the training record of the reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect after mistaking his revolver for his Taser, sources told the Tulsa World.
Reserve deputy Robert C. Bates, 73, faces manslaughter charges after he allegedly mistook this revolver for a Taser and fatally shot a suspect in an undercover operation April 2.
From the Tulsa World:
Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.
Multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the newspaper that at least three of Bates' supervisors had been transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-mandated training. The World notes that "the sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007."
The Sheriff's Office denied that documents were falsified or that supervisors were reassigned because they wouldn't sign off on Bates' training. The office announced Thursday that it will conduct a review of its reserve deputy training program. Source
If true, I don't even know what to say. I don't think I would be ok with a properly trained 73-year old police officer, let alone one that bribed his way into the department and falsified his certifications so that he could wave a gun around like it's his dick, jesus christ.
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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is poised to sign into law the most far-reaching health care reform bill since Obamacare, permanently ending the "doc fix" dilemma that has haunted Congress for more than a decade.
It also slashes Medicare benefits for upper-income seniors.
And in the strangest of twists, the legislation passed with overwhelmingly bipartisan support, an exceedingly rare achievement for a Congress that has all but ceased to address big, long-term problems.
The legislation passed the Senate on Tuesday night by a vote of 92-8. It was approved 392-37 by the House last month before Easter recess. Obama had endorsed the proposal as Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) were closing in on a deal.
"It’s another reminder of a new Republican Congress that’s back to work," said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
On the urging of Boehner and McConnell, the Senate rejected six amendments to the legislation offered by both parties and approved it as written. Boehner is expected to send Obama the legislation after a House signing ceremony on Thursday.
"Through this bold, necessary legislation, we have secured critical support for low-income seniors, for poor children, and for underserved communities across the country," said Pelosi.
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On April 17 2015 02:38 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 02:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Tulsa County Sheriff's office ordered supervisors to falsify the training record of the reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect after mistaking his revolver for his Taser, sources told the Tulsa World.
Reserve deputy Robert C. Bates, 73, faces manslaughter charges after he allegedly mistook this revolver for a Taser and fatally shot a suspect in an undercover operation April 2.
From the Tulsa World:
Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.
Multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the newspaper that at least three of Bates' supervisors had been transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-mandated training. The World notes that "the sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007."
The Sheriff's Office denied that documents were falsified or that supervisors were reassigned because they wouldn't sign off on Bates' training. The office announced Thursday that it will conduct a review of its reserve deputy training program. Source If true, I don't even know what to say. I don't think I would be ok with a properly trained 73-year old police officer, let alone one that bribed his way into the department and falsified his certifications so that he could wave a gun around like it's his dick, jesus christ.
Not even 'just' false certifications. 3 people transferred away because they didn't want to falsify it? Did none of them report that or was that covered up as well?
Yet another sign of how deep the corruption go's inside the police.
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An emotional Gov. Nathan Deal has signed legislation that permits the use of medical marijuana in Georgia to treat eight serious health problems.
In a ceremony in the Capitol attended by about 100 parents, children and legislators, Deal on Thursday made Georgia the 36th state plus Washington, D.C., to legalize the use of marijuana extracts for medical use.
The conditions are cancer, ALS, seizure disorder, multiple sclerosis, Crohn's disease, mitochondrial disease, Parkinson's and sickle cell.
Deal told a crowd that "refugee families" that moved to Colorado so children could be treated can come home after the 30 to 60 days it will take the state to get ready.
He was hugged by families of children, as was Rep. Allen Peake, R-Macon, who authored House Bill 1 and has championed the legalization cause.
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On April 17 2015 02:42 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 02:38 ZasZ. wrote:On April 17 2015 02:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Tulsa County Sheriff's office ordered supervisors to falsify the training record of the reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect after mistaking his revolver for his Taser, sources told the Tulsa World.
Reserve deputy Robert C. Bates, 73, faces manslaughter charges after he allegedly mistook this revolver for a Taser and fatally shot a suspect in an undercover operation April 2.
From the Tulsa World:
Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.
Multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the newspaper that at least three of Bates' supervisors had been transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-mandated training. The World notes that "the sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007."
The Sheriff's Office denied that documents were falsified or that supervisors were reassigned because they wouldn't sign off on Bates' training. The office announced Thursday that it will conduct a review of its reserve deputy training program. Source If true, I don't even know what to say. I don't think I would be ok with a properly trained 73-year old police officer, let alone one that bribed his way into the department and falsified his certifications so that he could wave a gun around like it's his dick, jesus christ. Not even 'just' false certifications. 3 people transferred away because they didn't want to falsify it? Did none of them report that or was that covered up as well? Yet another sign of how deep the corruption go's inside the police.
On conditions of anonymity at least one of them reported it. Thank goodness. We need more people willing to do the right thing because clearly the police like to play fast and loose with the facts at multiple departments across the country. Not just lying to cover up negligence, but pressuring and threatening people to falsify records and help cover up. This stuff isn't new it's just getting caught on camera, so the BS police stories aren't holding up.
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On April 17 2015 03:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 02:42 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2015 02:38 ZasZ. wrote:On April 17 2015 02:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The Tulsa County Sheriff's office ordered supervisors to falsify the training record of the reserve deputy who fatally shot a suspect after mistaking his revolver for his Taser, sources told the Tulsa World.
Reserve deputy Robert C. Bates, 73, faces manslaughter charges after he allegedly mistook this revolver for a Taser and fatally shot a suspect in an undercover operation April 2.
From the Tulsa World:
Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.
Multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the newspaper that at least three of Bates' supervisors had been transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-mandated training. The World notes that "the sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007."
The Sheriff's Office denied that documents were falsified or that supervisors were reassigned because they wouldn't sign off on Bates' training. The office announced Thursday that it will conduct a review of its reserve deputy training program. Source If true, I don't even know what to say. I don't think I would be ok with a properly trained 73-year old police officer, let alone one that bribed his way into the department and falsified his certifications so that he could wave a gun around like it's his dick, jesus christ. Not even 'just' false certifications. 3 people transferred away because they didn't want to falsify it? Did none of them report that or was that covered up as well? Yet another sign of how deep the corruption go's inside the police. On conditions of anonymity at least one of them reported it. Thank goodness. We need more people willing to do the right thing because clearly the police like to play fast and loose with the facts at multiple departments across the country. Not just lying to cover up negligence, but pressuring and threatening people to falsify records and help cover up. This stuff isn't new it's just getting caught on camera, so the BS police stories aren't holding up.
But nothing came of that report until he shot a man dead 8 years later?
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