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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
January 22 2015 00:29 GMT
#31761
The problem, according to housing rights activists, is that today nearly all discrimination is not so obvious, and therefore most fair housing cases rely on the disparate-impact interpretation.

This is an interesting argument. I wonder at what point it get so "not obvious" as you could say it's not a factor.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 22 2015 00:39 GMT
#31762
On January 22 2015 07:33 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 04:15 Danglars wrote:
On January 21 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Rand will never pass muster with the Republican leadership.


The Republican leadership is having harder and harder times getting their own candidates to win primaries, much less general elections. How embarrassing to have your own house majority leader fall to a no-name. As already mentioned, the leaders are trying to bring rebel tea party types into the moderate fold by degrees. The promise is to have powerful friends when more voters realize Obamacare won't be repealed and executive amnesty will remain largely intact this congressional term. How much the new tea party stars can reform party business as usual is anybody's guess.

You're talking about one major upset in an otherwise stellar election for Republicans. Besides party bosses, I don't think Rand can handle the limelight of national politics and being a leader rather than a critic. As lots of candidates found out in 2012, it's easy to complain about politics as usual and things not going better. It's much harder to convince people you can do anything about it. Nobody's buying hope and change as substitutes for policies any more and especially not from Republicans.
I don't know how much the Republican leadership matters these days. I can't count how many candidates ran and won in the 2014 midterms condemning the tepid response from leadership on Obamacare and immigration. Putting distance between their campaigns and the leadership was their intent and it was successful.

Now, the media narrative and Democratic politicians would have you believe the opposition are just complainers. The leadership, for their part, have surrendered the chance to loudly voice the alternatives and lead the charge. Any path to swift recovery necessarily stops the poison of ACA from ruining the quality and availability of medical care that still remains. Yet, you can't talk about this first step without the bandwagon pouncing with the usual lines. As the winning crop of 2014 candidates showed, Americans are ready for the alternative and they tossed out Democrats in droves. The mandate is to stop this president's destructive policies and start afresh.
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 01:14:29
January 22 2015 01:14 GMT
#31763
On January 22 2015 09:39 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 07:33 coverpunch wrote:
On January 22 2015 04:15 Danglars wrote:
On January 21 2015 22:29 farvacola wrote:
Rand will never pass muster with the Republican leadership.


The Republican leadership is having harder and harder times getting their own candidates to win primaries, much less general elections. How embarrassing to have your own house majority leader fall to a no-name. As already mentioned, the leaders are trying to bring rebel tea party types into the moderate fold by degrees. The promise is to have powerful friends when more voters realize Obamacare won't be repealed and executive amnesty will remain largely intact this congressional term. How much the new tea party stars can reform party business as usual is anybody's guess.

You're talking about one major upset in an otherwise stellar election for Republicans. Besides party bosses, I don't think Rand can handle the limelight of national politics and being a leader rather than a critic. As lots of candidates found out in 2012, it's easy to complain about politics as usual and things not going better. It's much harder to convince people you can do anything about it. Nobody's buying hope and change as substitutes for policies any more and especially not from Republicans.
I don't know how much the Republican leadership matters these days. I can't count how many candidates ran and won in the 2014 midterms condemning the tepid response from leadership on Obamacare and immigration. Putting distance between their campaigns and the leadership was their intent and it was successful.

Now, the media narrative and Democratic politicians would have you believe the opposition are just complainers. The leadership, for their part, have surrendered the chance to loudly voice the alternatives and lead the charge. Any path to swift recovery necessarily stops the poison of ACA from ruining the quality and availability of medical care that still remains. Yet, you can't talk about this first step without the bandwagon pouncing with the usual lines. As the winning crop of 2014 candidates showed, Americans are ready for the alternative and they tossed out Democrats in droves. The mandate is to stop this president's destructive policies and start afresh.

Do you guys think Danglers has a bot that spits these lines out or he actually physically types them out?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 01:28:47
January 22 2015 01:24 GMT
#31764
I don't know that he's living in the same world as the rest of us. I wonder what his reaction will be when Hillary wins in 2016.

Does Vegas have odds on the next president? I would probably take up to 1:1 odds that Hillary wins and I never bet on anything.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 22 2015 01:34 GMT
#31765
On January 22 2015 10:24 IgnE wrote:
I don't know that he's living in the same world as the rest of us. I wonder what his reaction will be when Hillary wins in 2016.

Does Vegas have odds on the next president? I would probably take up to 1:1 odds that Hillary wins and I never bet on anything.

The same it was in 2012, Romney wasnt a true conservative and all the traitors must be purged before glorious victory will be achieved
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=791149
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 01:44:26
January 22 2015 01:43 GMT
#31766
Stop reading if you've heard this before: House Republicans had to make late-night, last-minute changes to a piece of legislation that they thought would pass easily.

This time, the disagreement was over rape and abortion.

Republican leadership late Wednesday evening had to completely drop its plans to pass a bill that bans abortions after 20 weeks, and is reverting to old legislation that prohibits taxpayer funding of abortions.

The evening switch comes after a revolt from a large swath of female members of Congress, who were concerned about language that said rape victims would not be able to get abortions unless they reported the incident to authorities.

The new legislation doesn't stand a chance to become law, but House Republican leadership wants to have some sort of pro-life bill on the floor Thursday when the anti-abortion March for Life comes to Washington.

The House Rules Committee will convene at 9 p.m. to chart the course for the legislation. It will not become law with President Barack Obama in the White House.

It’s easy to observe that House Republicans have trouble legislating —and there’s ample evidence to point one to that conclusion. Another view, espoused by sympathetic lawmakers and others in GOP leadership, is that the players on the top rungs of the House Republican Conference are paying more mind to moderate voices within the party. It’s too early to label it a trend.

The House leaves for the week Thursday after it passes this bill.

The original legislation was ran into headwinds over the last few weeks. The crux of the complaints had to do with rape. The legislation allowed for abortions in the case of rape —but only if the victim reported the incident to police. Dissenters said Republicans were wrong to introduce divisive social issues into the political debate, and many women took offense to the language that required victims report rapes.

Republicans said they would’ve been able to pass the bill even if they had not changed it, but scores of women would’ve likely voted against it. And, furthermore, Republicans ran the risk of appearing like they were ignoring the will of women in the conference.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 01:49:36
January 22 2015 01:45 GMT
#31767
nm, someone else already posted that link.
pesky ninjas.
So you gonna take those 5:4 odds igne?


silly republicans, stop showboating on legislation and focus on sound effective practices, as if that will happen.
What we need is a way to change the kind of people who end up in office, cuz the current system gets the wrong kinds.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28865 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 02:00:25
January 22 2015 01:59 GMT
#31768
I love how alec baldwin and eva longoria are betting candidates.. like in what world do they warrant even 750:1 odds? :D
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
January 22 2015 02:03 GMT
#31769
Under the right circumstances, I would vote for Martin Sheen in all honesty. He's from Ohio and obviously has an intimate understanding of the position.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28865 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 02:30:34
January 22 2015 02:09 GMT
#31770
I think I recall some polls showing that a disturbing amount of americans thought he was the actual president after the first season of the west wing? (edit: can't find it, so take that with a grain of salt, my memory is iffy. )
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 22 2015 02:10 GMT
#31771
Who wouldn't want a President Bartlett as Head of State?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 22 2015 03:15 GMT
#31772
On January 22 2015 10:24 IgnE wrote:
I don't know that he's living in the same world as the rest of us. I wonder what his reaction will be when Hillary wins in 2016.

Does Vegas have odds on the next president? I would probably take up to 1:1 odds that Hillary wins and I never bet on anything.

If I get to vote for a conservative in the general election as soon as 2016, I'll be ecstatic. If she runs against and beats another wimp that my party puts up, it's ho hum have a beer. She was far left with Hillarycare back in the day, but now I guess the sum total of her other stances are what's called centrist now. Warren's got the new leftist shine that once graced Howard Dean and I hope she runs for my own personal enjoyment.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 22 2015 03:24 GMT
#31773
Warren and Hillary too much hype. Gotta go with my hipster liberal pick of Bernie Sanders for 2016.
liftlift > tsm
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 06:18:52
January 22 2015 03:32 GMT
#31774
On January 22 2015 12:15 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 10:24 IgnE wrote:
I don't know that he's living in the same world as the rest of us. I wonder what his reaction will be when Hillary wins in 2016.

Does Vegas have odds on the next president? I would probably take up to 1:1 odds that Hillary wins and I never bet on anything.

If I get to vote for a conservative in the general election as soon as 2016, I'll be ecstatic. If she runs against and beats another wimp that my party puts up, it's ho hum have a beer. She was far left with Hillarycare back in the day, but now I guess the sum total of her other stances are what's called centrist now. Warren's got the new leftist shine that once graced Howard Dean and I hope she runs for my own personal enjoyment.



Just for clarity sake are there any potential candidates that currently aren't "wimps"?

Like who would she have to beat for you to feel like conservatives lost and not some wimp?

Because it feels like conservatives say they need a conservative nominee but seem to think the fact that they can't find/nominate one is anyone's fault but their own?


The original legislation was ran into headwinds over the last few weeks. The crux of the complaints had to do with rape. The legislation allowed for abortions in the case of rape —but only if the victim reported the incident to police. Dissenters said Republicans were wrong to introduce divisive social issues into the political debate, and many women took offense to the language that required victims report rapes.

Republicans said they would’ve been able to pass the bill even if they had not changed it, but scores of women would’ve likely voted against it. And, furthermore, Republicans ran the risk of appearing like they were ignoring the will of women in the conference.


Yeah "We could of if we wanted to though"... Priorities man... Wth are republicans really trying to get done first?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 22 2015 04:02 GMT
#31775
Barry Goldwater zombie.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 22 2015 04:25 GMT
#31776
this current circus of republicans don't care about policy. they don't even care about policy objectives.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 22 2015 07:12 GMT
#31777
On January 22 2015 13:25 oneofthem wrote:
this current circus of republicans don't care about policy. they don't even care about policy objectives.


heck they dont even know what a policy objective is
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
January 22 2015 08:23 GMT
#31778
On January 22 2015 16:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 13:25 oneofthem wrote:
this current circus of republicans don't care about policy. they don't even care about policy objectives.


heck they dont even know what a policy objective is

Funny thing is, they WON the last election, so the Democrats are even worse...
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
January 22 2015 08:33 GMT
#31779
On January 22 2015 17:23 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 16:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 22 2015 13:25 oneofthem wrote:
this current circus of republicans don't care about policy. they don't even care about policy objectives.


heck they dont even know what a policy objective is

Funny thing is, they WON the last election, so the Democrats are even worse...


hm. they ran against Obama. what happens if Obama is gone?
and the economy is doing fine (at least on paper) this time around. dems have a lot to show for to be honest. russia's economy is in tatters, low oil prices.
nobody cares about the middle east or the shithole it has become since the western puppets were removed - at least as long as there are no more american boots(visibly) is on the ground and dying for yadda yadda freedom.

I foresee a massive "anti-terror and pro israel campaign". it's like the only thing reps really could run on that sticks.

well, too early to call anyway. even Romney - Obama was kind of close. until the 47% moochers statement and leak came that broke mister etch-a-sketch the neck.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 22 2015 08:45 GMT
#31780
On January 22 2015 17:23 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 16:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 22 2015 13:25 oneofthem wrote:
this current circus of republicans don't care about policy. they don't even care about policy objectives.


heck they dont even know what a policy objective is

Funny thing is, they WON the last election, so the Democrats are even worse...


30% of the electorate voting. Big win.
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