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On December 29 2014 11:27 IgnE wrote:
arent you an open carry advocate? what?
This whole issue has a way of making the already odd party distinction even weirder.
Republicans are pro-gun, but are also trying to be on the side of the police (who hate gun proliferation).
Democrats are pro-union, except with police unions, who are undermining the mission of police work by insisting on non-accountability and by making it too hard to fire officers.
Republicans think government is the problem, and Democrats think it's the solution, but somehow non-Paul Republicans are pretty reflexively pro-police.
My favorite game is applying the exact things each side is saying about police and police unions to the teacher/teacher union debate.
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On December 29 2014 09:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +FRESNO, Calif. – Farmers already scrambling to find workers in California — the nation's leading grower of fruits, vegetables and nuts — fear an even greater labor shortage under President Barack Obama's executive action to block some 5 million people from deportation.
Thousands of the state's farmworkers, who make up a significant portion of those who will benefit, may choose to leave the uncertainty of their seasonal jobs for steady, year-around work building homes, cooking in restaurants and cleaning hotel rooms.
Manuel Cunha, president of the Fresno-based Nisei Farmers League, estimates that 85 percent of California's agricultural workers are using false documents to obtain work.
Cunha, who has advised the Obama administration on immigration policy, figures that 50,000 of the state's farmworkers who may benefit from the president's executive action could leave the fields and packing houses in California's $46.4 billion agricultural industry.
"How do I replace that?" he said. "I think we're going to have a problem." Source"But what will I do without my workers criminality to hold over their head and trap them in the job I want them to do?!" Just wow... fuck those slave masters
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On December 29 2014 11:38 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 09:46 GreenHorizons wrote:FRESNO, Calif. – Farmers already scrambling to find workers in California — the nation's leading grower of fruits, vegetables and nuts — fear an even greater labor shortage under President Barack Obama's executive action to block some 5 million people from deportation.
Thousands of the state's farmworkers, who make up a significant portion of those who will benefit, may choose to leave the uncertainty of their seasonal jobs for steady, year-around work building homes, cooking in restaurants and cleaning hotel rooms.
Manuel Cunha, president of the Fresno-based Nisei Farmers League, estimates that 85 percent of California's agricultural workers are using false documents to obtain work.
Cunha, who has advised the Obama administration on immigration policy, figures that 50,000 of the state's farmworkers who may benefit from the president's executive action could leave the fields and packing houses in California's $46.4 billion agricultural industry.
"How do I replace that?" he said. "I think we're going to have a problem." Source"But what will I do without my workers criminality to hold over their head and trap them in the job I want them to do?!" Just wow... fuck those slave masters
It'd be nice if our citizens obeyed the law and didn't hire illegal aliens. It'd be nice if immigrants didn't emigrate here illegally. It'd be nice if our laws allowed more law-abiding people to emigrate here legally at a faster pace.
Farmers and their employees played the immigration lottery. They lost. I don't sympathize for people who knew better.
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Reasonable debate basically ends as soon as you pretend the UN can force anyone to do anything.
That said, I think Western culture is way too picky about what they consider "disgusting" as food. Never personally had grasshopper, would love to try it if it was actually prepared well. Heard they taste quite good, depending on their diet and species.
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On December 29 2014 14:26 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 11:38 oneofthem wrote:On December 29 2014 09:46 GreenHorizons wrote:FRESNO, Calif. – Farmers already scrambling to find workers in California — the nation's leading grower of fruits, vegetables and nuts — fear an even greater labor shortage under President Barack Obama's executive action to block some 5 million people from deportation.
Thousands of the state's farmworkers, who make up a significant portion of those who will benefit, may choose to leave the uncertainty of their seasonal jobs for steady, year-around work building homes, cooking in restaurants and cleaning hotel rooms.
Manuel Cunha, president of the Fresno-based Nisei Farmers League, estimates that 85 percent of California's agricultural workers are using false documents to obtain work.
Cunha, who has advised the Obama administration on immigration policy, figures that 50,000 of the state's farmworkers who may benefit from the president's executive action could leave the fields and packing houses in California's $46.4 billion agricultural industry.
"How do I replace that?" he said. "I think we're going to have a problem." Source"But what will I do without my workers criminality to hold over their head and trap them in the job I want them to do?!" Just wow... fuck those slave masters It'd be nice if our citizens obeyed the law and didn't hire illegal aliens. It'd be nice if immigrants didn't emigrate here illegally. It'd be nice if our laws allowed more law-abiding people to emigrate here legally at a faster pace. Farmers and their employees played the immigration lottery. They lost. I don't sympathize for people who knew better.
But then those farmers would have to pay people more to do the shitty jobs that apparently noone wants except for those who have no choice whatsoever. I don't get it. If you pay people more, you will find more people willing to do the work. The problem is not that they can't find anyone to do their shitty seasonal agriculture work, it is that they can't find enough people so desperate to do it with such shitty pay anymore now that these people actually have some perspective in their lives.
But then complaining about it is just... insane.
Also, i don't see a major problem with eating grasshoppers. You are already eating rotten cows milk, unfertilized bird embryos, and lots of other stuff that sounds incredibly disgusting once you start thinking about it. And if you don't want to eat the cheaper sources of protein, that means you will have to pay a bit more for the luxury. That is how pretty much anything works. The cheap meat you eat is already incredibly disgusting and produced in such a non-sustainable way, if you would actually take a look at how it is produced there is no way you can still find grasshoppers disgusting by comparison.
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On December 29 2014 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:See what happens when you point your real gun at people, then shoot at them, then defy police orders, then lead them on high speed chase, all before finally pointing your gun at the police themselves? We all know how this ends right? You get taken into custody without injury..... Show nested quote +Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Multiple Shootings In Chattanooga
Around 3:52 p.m. on December 26, 2014, Chattanooga Police Department responded to shots fired on Cloverdale Drive.
Officials say that two victims were stopped at a stop sign when a woman, now identified as Julia A. Shields, pulled up next to them in a dark colored sedan and fired a single round into their vehicle.
Shields struck the radiator and disabled it.
After that incident, police began to receive several calls about Ms. Shields pointing her weapon at people as she drove by.
Officers located Ms. Shields in the parking lot of Stuart Heights Baptist Church.
As soon as Shields saw the cops, she fled the scene and sent police into a pursuit.
Shields led the officers down Highway 153 and Hixson Pike where she continued to point her gun at other drivers as she drove by them.
The pursuit ended at the intersection of Cloverdale Drive and Koblan Drive. Shields pointed her weapon at officers when they finally got her stop.
Ms. Shield was taken into custody without incident or injury and found to be wearing body armor during the incident. Forgot source: SourceWhat could of been different about how the police perceived the threats to their lives than the 12 yo they had to shoot or the guy in Walmart with their toy guns...?
Yes police treat women different. Maybe they should have killed her, you know, equality for all!
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On December 29 2014 22:18 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:See what happens when you point your real gun at people, then shoot at them, then defy police orders, then lead them on high speed chase, all before finally pointing your gun at the police themselves? We all know how this ends right? You get taken into custody without injury..... Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Multiple Shootings In Chattanooga
Around 3:52 p.m. on December 26, 2014, Chattanooga Police Department responded to shots fired on Cloverdale Drive.
Officials say that two victims were stopped at a stop sign when a woman, now identified as Julia A. Shields, pulled up next to them in a dark colored sedan and fired a single round into their vehicle.
Shields struck the radiator and disabled it.
After that incident, police began to receive several calls about Ms. Shields pointing her weapon at people as she drove by.
Officers located Ms. Shields in the parking lot of Stuart Heights Baptist Church.
As soon as Shields saw the cops, she fled the scene and sent police into a pursuit.
Shields led the officers down Highway 153 and Hixson Pike where she continued to point her gun at other drivers as she drove by them.
The pursuit ended at the intersection of Cloverdale Drive and Koblan Drive. Shields pointed her weapon at officers when they finally got her stop.
Ms. Shield was taken into custody without incident or injury and found to be wearing body armor during the incident. Forgot source: SourceWhat could of been different about how the police perceived the threats to their lives than the 12 yo they had to shoot or the guy in Walmart with their toy guns...? Yes police treat women different. Maybe they should have killed her, you know, equality for all!
I think you may have missed the point...
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On December 29 2014 22:41 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 22:18 heliusx wrote:On December 29 2014 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:See what happens when you point your real gun at people, then shoot at them, then defy police orders, then lead them on high speed chase, all before finally pointing your gun at the police themselves? We all know how this ends right? You get taken into custody without injury..... Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Multiple Shootings In Chattanooga
Around 3:52 p.m. on December 26, 2014, Chattanooga Police Department responded to shots fired on Cloverdale Drive.
Officials say that two victims were stopped at a stop sign when a woman, now identified as Julia A. Shields, pulled up next to them in a dark colored sedan and fired a single round into their vehicle.
Shields struck the radiator and disabled it.
After that incident, police began to receive several calls about Ms. Shields pointing her weapon at people as she drove by.
Officers located Ms. Shields in the parking lot of Stuart Heights Baptist Church.
As soon as Shields saw the cops, she fled the scene and sent police into a pursuit.
Shields led the officers down Highway 153 and Hixson Pike where she continued to point her gun at other drivers as she drove by them.
The pursuit ended at the intersection of Cloverdale Drive and Koblan Drive. Shields pointed her weapon at officers when they finally got her stop.
Ms. Shield was taken into custody without incident or injury and found to be wearing body armor during the incident. Forgot source: SourceWhat could of been different about how the police perceived the threats to their lives than the 12 yo they had to shoot or the guy in Walmart with their toy guns...? Yes police treat women different. Maybe they should have killed her, you know, equality for all! I think you may have missed the point...
Oh no I got the point. Just bored with the racial crap.
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On December 29 2014 22:43 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 22:41 BallinWitStalin wrote:On December 29 2014 22:18 heliusx wrote:On December 29 2014 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:See what happens when you point your real gun at people, then shoot at them, then defy police orders, then lead them on high speed chase, all before finally pointing your gun at the police themselves? We all know how this ends right? You get taken into custody without injury..... Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Multiple Shootings In Chattanooga
Around 3:52 p.m. on December 26, 2014, Chattanooga Police Department responded to shots fired on Cloverdale Drive.
Officials say that two victims were stopped at a stop sign when a woman, now identified as Julia A. Shields, pulled up next to them in a dark colored sedan and fired a single round into their vehicle.
Shields struck the radiator and disabled it.
After that incident, police began to receive several calls about Ms. Shields pointing her weapon at people as she drove by.
Officers located Ms. Shields in the parking lot of Stuart Heights Baptist Church.
As soon as Shields saw the cops, she fled the scene and sent police into a pursuit.
Shields led the officers down Highway 153 and Hixson Pike where she continued to point her gun at other drivers as she drove by them.
The pursuit ended at the intersection of Cloverdale Drive and Koblan Drive. Shields pointed her weapon at officers when they finally got her stop.
Ms. Shield was taken into custody without incident or injury and found to be wearing body armor during the incident. Forgot source: SourceWhat could of been different about how the police perceived the threats to their lives than the 12 yo they had to shoot or the guy in Walmart with their toy guns...? Yes police treat women different. Maybe they should have killed her, you know, equality for all! I think you may have missed the point... Oh no I got the point. Just bored with the racial crap.
That's fine, but it's perfectly valid to question why a woman pointing a gun and wearing body armour doesn't get shot at when a twelve year old black male does.
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On December 29 2014 14:26 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 11:38 oneofthem wrote:On December 29 2014 09:46 GreenHorizons wrote:FRESNO, Calif. – Farmers already scrambling to find workers in California — the nation's leading grower of fruits, vegetables and nuts — fear an even greater labor shortage under President Barack Obama's executive action to block some 5 million people from deportation.
Thousands of the state's farmworkers, who make up a significant portion of those who will benefit, may choose to leave the uncertainty of their seasonal jobs for steady, year-around work building homes, cooking in restaurants and cleaning hotel rooms.
Manuel Cunha, president of the Fresno-based Nisei Farmers League, estimates that 85 percent of California's agricultural workers are using false documents to obtain work.
Cunha, who has advised the Obama administration on immigration policy, figures that 50,000 of the state's farmworkers who may benefit from the president's executive action could leave the fields and packing houses in California's $46.4 billion agricultural industry.
"How do I replace that?" he said. "I think we're going to have a problem." Source"But what will I do without my workers criminality to hold over their head and trap them in the job I want them to do?!" Just wow... fuck those slave masters It'd be nice if our citizens obeyed the law and didn't hire illegal aliens. It'd be nice if immigrants didn't emigrate here illegally. It'd be nice if our laws allowed more law-abiding people to emigrate here legally at a faster pace. Farmers and their employees played the immigration lottery. They lost. I don't sympathize for people who knew better.
okay, next time you get a ticket let's send you to prison labor camp. shoulda known better.
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On December 29 2014 23:01 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 22:43 heliusx wrote:On December 29 2014 22:41 BallinWitStalin wrote:On December 29 2014 22:18 heliusx wrote:On December 29 2014 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:See what happens when you point your real gun at people, then shoot at them, then defy police orders, then lead them on high speed chase, all before finally pointing your gun at the police themselves? We all know how this ends right? You get taken into custody without injury..... Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Multiple Shootings In Chattanooga
Around 3:52 p.m. on December 26, 2014, Chattanooga Police Department responded to shots fired on Cloverdale Drive.
Officials say that two victims were stopped at a stop sign when a woman, now identified as Julia A. Shields, pulled up next to them in a dark colored sedan and fired a single round into their vehicle.
Shields struck the radiator and disabled it.
After that incident, police began to receive several calls about Ms. Shields pointing her weapon at people as she drove by.
Officers located Ms. Shields in the parking lot of Stuart Heights Baptist Church.
As soon as Shields saw the cops, she fled the scene and sent police into a pursuit.
Shields led the officers down Highway 153 and Hixson Pike where she continued to point her gun at other drivers as she drove by them.
The pursuit ended at the intersection of Cloverdale Drive and Koblan Drive. Shields pointed her weapon at officers when they finally got her stop.
Ms. Shield was taken into custody without incident or injury and found to be wearing body armor during the incident. Forgot source: SourceWhat could of been different about how the police perceived the threats to their lives than the 12 yo they had to shoot or the guy in Walmart with their toy guns...? Yes police treat women different. Maybe they should have killed her, you know, equality for all! I think you may have missed the point... Oh no I got the point. Just bored with the racial crap. That's fine, but it's perfectly valid to question why a woman pointing a gun and wearing body armour doesn't get shot at when a twelve year old black male does.
I didn't say it isnt, I said I'm bored with it. Everything lately is racist. He also said people assume what he types is always about racism(I wonder why that is. lol) so I went another way with it. And my point is valid also, women are treated differently than men. Sometimes to their advantage and sometimes to their disadvantage.
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On December 29 2014 17:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Reasonable debate basically ends as soon as you pretend the UN can force anyone to do anything.
That said, I think Western culture is way too picky about what they consider "disgusting" as food. Never personally had grasshopper, would love to try it if it was actually prepared well. Heard they taste quite good, depending on their diet and species.
indeed.
UN forcing somebody to do something. lol.
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A bill that would allow New Jersey municipalities to sell their public water utilities to private, for-profit corporations without putting the measure to voters is awaiting Gov. Chris Christie’s signature.
Until now, any municipality in New Jersey that sought to sell off its water system to a private bidder had to hold a public vote. But a bill passed with bipartisan support by the state’s Senate last week would allow municipalities with aging and deteriorating water systems to put their systems up for sale without holding a referendum.
While supporters of the bill say privatizing water systems could save municipalities money, it allows companies to factor the purchase price of the systems into the rates they charge customers, meaning taxpayers could ultimately be on the hook for the sale of their water systems.
Many New Jersey municipalities have turned to privatization as a way to get quick cash infusions for their deteriorating water systems. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, the state would need $41 billion over the next 20 years to repair its water, stormwater and wastewater systems.
“We’re an old, industrial state, and water infrastructure was built a long, long time ago,” said Lawrence Hajna, a spokesman for the state’s Department of Environmental Protection, which has not taken a position on the bill. “We’ve spent billions on upgrading, but there’s still a lot more to do.”
If the bill is enacted, New Jersey would join several other states, including Illinois, Pennsylvania and California, where ballot measures are not required to sell water systems to private developers.
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Privatization is all well and good when you need capital. The left will throw a fit in a couple years when they see that someone is an immoral billionaire that owns the infrastructure after putting 41 billion into it that the taxpayer was unwilling to. Then they will want the state to confiscate it for social equality and all that jazz.
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by unwilling you mean unable right? The average tax payer doesn't have 40 billion lying around. They also tried this in some part of Berlin a while ago. Water became four times as expensive and quality went to shit, so the government reversed the privatization.
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privatization of certain - "public" - goods has had disastrous outcomes. and that, again, is not a left or right issue... well maybe in the US it is.
polarization at an all time high for the win! WE need to fight THEM at all cost - even if common sense has to die!
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I actually agree with you guys here, in a way.
Reducing waste in other areas of government should be looked at first but its unrealistic.
Selling debt with small revenue raising should be second option.
Raising revenues third if the debt markets are not giving favorable terms.
Privatization fourth if political willpower and efficiency isnt able to be had keeping the service public.
Not dealing with it is unacceptable, either allowing it to further deteriorate or passing along to other levels of government . "Make the rich pay for it" is also unrealistic and lacks willpower.
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On December 29 2014 23:38 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2014 23:01 BallinWitStalin wrote:On December 29 2014 22:43 heliusx wrote:On December 29 2014 22:41 BallinWitStalin wrote:On December 29 2014 22:18 heliusx wrote:On December 29 2014 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote:See what happens when you point your real gun at people, then shoot at them, then defy police orders, then lead them on high speed chase, all before finally pointing your gun at the police themselves? We all know how this ends right? You get taken into custody without injury..... Woman Dressed In Body Armor Arrested After Multiple Shootings In Chattanooga
Around 3:52 p.m. on December 26, 2014, Chattanooga Police Department responded to shots fired on Cloverdale Drive.
Officials say that two victims were stopped at a stop sign when a woman, now identified as Julia A. Shields, pulled up next to them in a dark colored sedan and fired a single round into their vehicle.
Shields struck the radiator and disabled it.
After that incident, police began to receive several calls about Ms. Shields pointing her weapon at people as she drove by.
Officers located Ms. Shields in the parking lot of Stuart Heights Baptist Church.
As soon as Shields saw the cops, she fled the scene and sent police into a pursuit.
Shields led the officers down Highway 153 and Hixson Pike where she continued to point her gun at other drivers as she drove by them.
The pursuit ended at the intersection of Cloverdale Drive and Koblan Drive. Shields pointed her weapon at officers when they finally got her stop.
Ms. Shield was taken into custody without incident or injury and found to be wearing body armor during the incident. Forgot source: SourceWhat could of been different about how the police perceived the threats to their lives than the 12 yo they had to shoot or the guy in Walmart with their toy guns...? Yes police treat women different. Maybe they should have killed her, you know, equality for all! I think you may have missed the point... Oh no I got the point. Just bored with the racial crap. That's fine, but it's perfectly valid to question why a woman pointing a gun and wearing body armour doesn't get shot at when a twelve year old black male does. I didn't say it isnt, I said I'm bored with it. Everything lately is racist. He also said people assume what he types is always about racism(I wonder why that is. lol) so I went another way with it. And my point is valid also, women are treated differently than men. Sometimes to their advantage and sometimes to their disadvantage.
"Bored with it"....What I wouldn't give for that privilege.
Tarika Wilson (Lima, Ohio)
On January 4, 2008, 26-year-old Tarika Wilson was shot and killed in her home while holding her 1-year-old baby in her arms. The infant was shot as well, but survived the injuries. Her other four children, in the home and witnesses to their mother’s murder, escaped physical injury as well. Police officers claimed that they were looking for her previous boyfriend when they decided to shoot into her home, leaving her five children, all the under the age of 10, without a mom.
Shantel Davis (Brooklyn, New York)
The police argue that they were killing a car thief out on bail when they shot 23-year-old Shantel Davis in June 2012. But she was unarmed and trying to flee when a police officer shot her point-blank in the chest. At the time, the officer who killed her had been a defendant in six federal lawsuits. A witness recalled hearing Davis screaming “I don’t want to be killed, don’t kill me!” right before the gun went off.
Sharmel Edwards (Las Vegas, Nevada)
On the evening of April 20, 2012, Sharmel Edwards—whose photo has never been released—went on what her boyfriend described as a romantic date. Later that evening, he woke up and discovered that the 49-year-old woman had gone on a late-night drive. He called the police and reported that she was driving his car “without his permission.” He also reported that he kept a gun in the car’s console. Officers pursued Edwards, calling in a SWAT team for back-up. Multiple witnesses claim that she exited the car with her hands up and unarmed, while the police and others claim she was holding a gun. A total of five officers fired at least 15 bullets at the woman with three handguns, a rifle, and a shotgun. The gun in the car Edwards was driving was never fired.
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Being a woman didn't seem to keep the cops from shooting them? For people who are 'bored' with the fact that there is a racial element to how the police act, perhaps you should just focus on how they are violating people in general. That way we can work together to stop a problem, even if we disagree about who absorbs the brunt of the damage and why. Suppose I should mention that it's not just the police doing things like blindly shooting into a house where a suspect may or may not be but children almost certainly are that's the problem. The fact that people think that they did nothing wrong is a pretty big part too.
The 1 year old lost a fucking finger, but gets to grow up knowing he lives in a world where the people who murdered his mom and took his finger and left him with a scar didn't do anything criminal. He's also learned that some people pay for apparent crimes with other peoples money instead of their lives or time in prison (like the POC criminals he sees in his normal life. You think he is ever going to believe that the police are there to 'protect' him or that justice isn't bought and sold?
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Haven't we learned by now that relying upon loaded press pieces as definitive accounts of what happened is not a good idea?
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