EPTalso i think the panthers will beat the seahawks, and the steelers riding their crazy momentum over denver
thats right i picked two road teams, the #5 and #6 teams haha
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Braavos36379 Posts
also i think the panthers will beat the seahawks, and the steelers riding their crazy momentum over denver thats right i picked two road teams, the #5 and #6 teams haha | ||
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-_-
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On January 15 2006 17:30 -_- wrote: Hey sweetlemon... Thomas Jones and Adrian Peterson officially sucked cock. What did they have 70-80 combined yards? Rex Grossman ruled, though, right? OH WAIT. Did he even break the 200 yard mark? Down the stretch how did this games played rookie fare? He fucked up with a crucial interception. Hmmm, weren't you talking about how jake delhomme couldn't throw, and that if they took deshaun out of the game they were screwed, we'd be 'playing right into their hand'... well foster was out in the third quarter with a high ankle sprain AND DELHOMME FUCKED YOU UP. You should really be a analyst!!! You say the bears had one of 'greatest D's of all time' AHAHHAHAHA. Great to the tune of twenty fucking nine points given up. OOOOOOHHHHH. Looks like the gosu football guru didn't know that Delhomme had a 100+ QB rating in the playoffs... playing into their hands my ass. GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you watch the game? Probably not... Thomas Jones was tearing up that D when he actually ran. He was averaging four yards a carry. The problem is that they never ran him. Again, going back to how you obviously didn't watch the game, Rex MAY have thrown a pick, but that's a rookie mistake, and he also threw a TD, and led the team right down the field for three scores. Of all the first time playoff QB's he did the best. And by the way, he missed the 200 yard mark by 8 yards, good argument, moron. Going to DelHomme. He's not that great of a QB, he just has one of the top WR's in the league. Also, I'd like to see where I said he couldn't throw. What I said was that you don't want him in a pressure situation, which is the truth, because he's not a top notch QB. By the way, they ran on the Bears, it just wasn't Foster running. They had 123 yards rushing against the Bears, which opened them right up for the pass. The Bears defense was statistically one of the greatest defenses there has been, and there's simply no denying that. You can say all you want, they had a bad game, but look at the stats, they were amazing throughout the regular season. It WAS one of the best defenses over the last 20 years, just as I had said, they came out flat, and got ripped apart by Steve Smith, which isn't a surprise, because that was one of the biggest concerns of any Bears fan-- Steve Smith. They have NO ONE to cover him, and they never decided to double him, either. Not to mention that they play a Cover 2 defense, which puts them into zones most of the time, and with a guy like Smith playing, he's going to find creases in the zone. Jake DelHomme didn't have such an amazing game, he just put it where it needed to be put. Also, you may as well take that first TD away from them, because Smith shoved Tillman to the ground, after HE initiated the contact. Then Tillman got called for the penalty. Finally, if you're basing a team's greatness off of one game, it's better for you to shut the fuck up, because you're definitely retarded. The problem was a lack of preparation. They were rested for too long (and go ahead an ask Mike Shanahan about resting starters in the final game), and they were underprepared. The schemes they used to try and defend Smith were horrible, and they never double covered him, leaving guys like Tillman and Vasher (who are good CB's, no doubt, but not the type to keep up with a guy like Smith) to single cover him. That spells doom. Just look at the stats, and name 15 teams that were better than the Bears' defense was this year. 12.6 PPG allowed, that's enough said. | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 16 2006 20:53 Chris.K wrote: 4 yards a carry isn't tearing it up... OH MAYBE IT IS.. haha I'm actually used to a running game being a denver fan and all.. Denver is just insane. They're taking it all this year. I was rooting for an orange and blue SB (I've been a Bronco fan since '96 or so), now that the Bears are out. Also, considering that Walter Payton (the best HB to ever play, maybe the best all around player ever) averaged 4.4 yards per carry, that makes 4 a good average. Mensrea, I understand what you're saying, but at the time, what else could you base the defense on? You can still only think of five better D's than this years Bears D. Maybe six if you include the '02 Bucs. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
Let's be honest here, you can claim all the stats that you want to during the regular season, but in the game that actually mattered, the bears played terribly. You can't be considered an all time great no matter what your numbers are if you play that terribly. If you can't win a playoff game, no matter what, all claims to greatness are negated. Since the schemes and defenses that the bears had to defend smith weren't working, why not adjust at all? He was clearly destroying them in every way -- deep, in the middle, on end arounds. You can't just stick with the original game plan when he was creating that much havoc. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 16 2006 21:08 KOFgokuon wrote: Yeah, since when was averaging 4 yards a carry considered "Tearing up that D?" They ran him 20 times, ample opportunity for him to break a big one and really impact the game. If you take out his one big run of 24 yards, he averaged less than 3 yards a carry, really impacted the game a lot! they had more success throwing screen passes to him than running the ball. Let's be honest here, you can claim all the stats that you want to during the regular season, but in the game that actually mattered, the bears played terribly. You can't be considered an all time great no matter what your numbers are if you play that terribly. If you can't win a playoff game, no matter what, all claims to greatness are negated. Since the schemes and defenses that the bears had to defend smith weren't working, why not adjust at all? He was clearly destroying them in every way -- deep, in the middle, on end arounds. You can't just stick with the original game plan when he was creating that much havoc. Okay, maybe tearing up is a bit of an overstatement, he was running very well on them, though. 4 ypc is a good average. Also, saying "take away his 24 yard run" is stupid. There's no need to explain why it's stupid, it just is. I don't know why they didn't adjust schemes, and that's the coaching, not the players. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On January 16 2006 20:44 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Did you watch the game? Probably not... Yes I did. Arrgh, of course I did. And you're going to regret saying that. Thomas Jones was tearing up that D when he actually ran. He was averaging four yards a carry. The problem is that they never ran him. Again, going back to how you obviously didn't watch the game, Rex MAY have thrown a pick, but that's a rookie mistake, and he also threw a TD, and led the team right down the field for three scores. Of all the first time playoff QB's he did the best. And by the way, he missed the 200 yard mark by 8 yards, good argument, moron. Thomas Jone did not step up his game. Saying he was averaging four yards a carry is misleading. He was getting stuffed and had one solid run. That's why you can't say "WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THE BALL TO JONES EVERY DOWN AND HE'D MAKE ITT!!!!" If a QB scrambles and runs 5 times for 8 yards then bust a huge one for a TD isn't michael vick because he averages 15 yards a run. And what do you mean rex may have thrown a pick? He DID thorw a pick. And what's this about rex being a rookie, dude? "He played more than that one game this season. He's been on the team for three years, you just haven't seen him. Being from Illinois (upper), I get to see him every time he plays." I mean you already gave him an in-depth skill analysis. He shouldn't play like a rookie!!! Going to DelHomme. He's not that great of a QB, he just has one of the top WR's in the league. Also, I'd like to see where I said he couldn't throw. What I said was that you don't want him in a pressure situation, which is the truth, because he's not a top notch QB. By the way, they ran on the Bears, it just wasn't Foster running. They had 123 yards rushing against the Bears, which opened them right up for the pass. "If Foster can't run, that forces the game into DelHomme's hands, which is bad news for the Panthers, because he's not exactly the guy you want to rely on in a pressure situation; he's a decent QB, but nothing special by any stretch of the imagination" That's what YOU said. And it really showed your ignorance, as delhomme is an AMAZING fourth quarter and playoff QB. The only thing you can say is that he's not the best day to day QB because in pressure he nearly always delievers (remember the 2003 cardiac cats slogo?). So And there's more!: "The key to the game is stopping Foster. If they can stop him, which I believe they will, and they can get an early lead." Yeah... great prediction. But no, it was delhomme that fucked you early and often with foster being all but worthless. Oh but they really did rush well, right? Nope. Deshaun had 54 and Goings had 34. They combine for 88. The rest came from steve smith and delhomme. And FYI they passed before they ran. AND I'M THE ONE WHO DIDN'T WATCH THE GAME? Even if the RB's did run for 123 (which they didn't) the game still follows the rules of space and time, so if they pass first the pass opened up the run. You can't say just because the RB's had a good game (which they didn't) that you weren't stupid in saying that carolina throwing wasn't a good idea. The Bears defense was statistically one of the greatest defenses there has been, and there's simply no denying that. You can say all you want, they had a bad game, but look at the stats, they were amazing throughout the regular season. It WAS one of the best defenses over the last 20 years, just as I had said, they came out flat, and got ripped apart by Steve Smith, which isn't a surprise, because that was one of the biggest concerns of any Bears fan-- Steve Smith. No surprise to any bears fan that smith would tear you up? Hmmmm. I was under the impression I was talking to a bears fan, or am I misinterpreting this: "Steve Smith will probably be shut down all dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. He didn't really do a whole lot last time around" (By the way, he had 10+ catches for 168 yards last time with no touchdowns) Oh boy that was really clever when you changed his quote. They have NO ONE to cover him, and they never decided to double him, either. Not to mention that they play a Cover 2 defense, which puts them into zones most of the time, and with a guy like Smith playing, he's going to find creases in the zone. Jake DelHomme didn't have such an amazing game, he just put it where it needed to be put. Also, you may as well take that first TD away from them, because Smith shoved Tillman to the ground, after HE initiated the contact. Then Tillman got called for the penalty. Wahahahaha. I'm not going to deal with a whiny baby crying about penalites. All I can do is point you at the sport shows, game announcers, radio announcers, and so on. And ask why they don't agree with you. Oh yeah, please don't talk about cover 2 and creases in the zone and so on. You're only embarassing yourself. Finally, if you're basing a team's greatness off of one game, it's better for you to shut the fuck up, because you're definitely retarded. The problem was a lack of preparation. They were rested for too long (and go ahead an ask Mike Shanahan about resting starters in the final game), and they were underprepared. The schemes they used to try and defend Smith were horrible, and they never double covered him, leaving guys like Tillman and Vasher (who are good CB's, no doubt, but not the type to keep up with a guy like Smith) to single cover him. That spells doom. Just look at the stats, and name 15 teams that were better than the Bears' defense was this year. 12.6 PPG allowed, that's enough said. Oh they had a good defense. About as good as the 2003 panthers, I'd say. They would've been remembered as a great defensive team, but in the superbowl they lost. And now they're nothing. As for greatness? Fuck yeah I can base it on one game. It's not like you can get unlucky to the tune of 319 passing yards and 29 points. You can't get all that on one play. Now if it had been 9 to 3 and delhomme had thrown a 90 yarder at the end of the game then you could still say they had a good D. But no. They were torched ALL GAME. Oh, I'm sorry. I guess you win! I can't name 15 teams better so they MUST be great. "you're going to see exactly how overrated the Panthers are" See, those comments really came back to bite you in the ass. Notice how I'm not saying that about the hawks. The fact is the playoff point average is higher than the normal game point average. People give it their all and play with something more than the did before. The bears obviously weren't good enough to do that. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13291 Posts
So much for the Colts almost perfect season =\ | ||
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bburn
United States1039 Posts
On January 17 2006 07:16 RowdierBob wrote: How the fuck did the Steelers win. So much for the Colts almost perfect season =\ I'm starting to wonder if the colts are going to have to do what the bucs did to win the superbowl...Have dungy build team, get rid of him and bring someone else in to get them all the way. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13291 Posts
That missed field goal at the end pretty much summed up their effort. | ||
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Braavos36379 Posts
-_- is pretty much spot on with his analysis, but sweetlemons is just a bears fan, no need to constantly flame him, usually your views on your own team are distorted you wouldn't be a fan otherwise | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
How dare you say that Delhomme only had a good day because of him having one of the best recievers in the NFL. Apparently YOU didn't watch the game, because that 45 yard pass to smith was delivered perfectly into double coverage, and the game winning TD was thrown to a reciever who, last time I checked, does not wear #89 on his jersey. When you have once seen Delhomme disappoint in a pressure situation? He gave the Patriots their hardest challenge ever in the super bowl (people are quick to forget that it took another last second FG for the pats to take down the panthers in that game, because whenever they pulled ahead, Delhomme somehow engineered another comeback drive). I had two paragraphs written on why you have no clue what you're talking about with Thomas Jones too, but I accidently refreshed the page so I have to rewrite that. edit: here we are There are times when people should just keep their mouth closed. I think you, sweetlemons, have missed one of those times. Thomas Jones had 20 carries for 80 yards, and if you take away his 24 yard sprint, it accounts to a wonderful 2.94 ypc on his other 19 runs. Way to change the complexion of the game, TJ. You seem to think that discounting long runs is "stupid" when analyzing a runner's overall impact on a game. That is silly. I would MUCH rather have my RB average 5 yards per carry by gaining 5 yards every time he touches the ball than have him get 2.5 ypc plus one 60 yard sprint for the same average. Here's what you don't seem to understand: The panthers were not afraid of Rex Grossman. They were prepared to dedicate 7 guys to stopping the run on nearly every play. When the defense knows you can only beat them with the run, and they play an obvious run defense, there is only so much you can do running the football. Jones got 20 carries, and the overall run/pass ratio for the bears was kept at almost exactly 2:3. They had to put the ball in the air so much because they were fighting uphill the entire game. If they took 10 throws away from Grossman and gave TJ 30 carries instead, I GUARANTEE you that they would not even be down by 8 looking to equalize with 4 minutes left...it would be over long before then. Carolina knew Grossman couldn't beat them, and what do you know, he didn't. TJ couldn't have, either. The only way for the bears to win that game would be for their defense which you acclaim so much to force some big turnovers and give the offense a short field where the worst they can do is get 3 on the board. With just 1 INT from Delhomme (yeah, doesn't he really suck?) and no lost fumbles, the bears had no way to win that game. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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No touchdowns is the key. It doesn't matter if a team puts up a thousand yards in a game if they can't score on you. I never said DelHomme sucked, I said he wasn't the best QB there is, which is a fact. I cannot account for the mismanagement in the game, I'm not a Bear coach or player. After Foster went down there was one threat left, really, that being Steve Smith. Why did they have a third stringer single covering him? Don't know. Why were they single covering him at all? Don't know. I can only name one CB who could almost certainly single cover Smith and handle him, that being Champ Bailey (who is definitely one of the top CB's in the league, but I really don't know a lot of CB's, so there might be more, or even better guys out there). Smith won them that game, and this is a fact. When one player covers over half a teams entire offense, something was wrong with scheming. Smith had 218 yards, and they totaled 434. That's OVER half from one player. He also had 2 TD's that game, which is about half their points. Had they gameplanned for him just a bit more, maybe they could have won, but they didn't, and I cannot explain why because, as stated, I'm not a part of the organization. The problem the Bears have had all year has been their offense, and not being able to pass the ball. Muhammed didn't do shit all year long, and we lost our #2 reciever pretty early on (Bradley). So, basically, they were relying on the defense to come out and win that game for them. The defense came out and played like shit, and the coaching staff NEVER made ANY adjustments. They never got pressure on DelHomme, and they single covered Smith. If you're not going to double cover a guy, then get the fucking QB. They didn't do that. Yes, I did say he was going to be shut down, but the whole time I was talking shit about the Panthers, I was doing just that: Talking shit. I thought the Bears D would come out prepared, but they didn't. I thought they'd double cover Smith once they had shut down the running game, and hopefully would have taken the early lead, but they didn't. It wasn't a typical Bears game at all, and the team played nothing to what they were capable of. Also, last I checked, I was the one living in IL, and the one who listens to the Chicago sports radio.. Yes, Bears fans were definitely worried about what Steve Smith was going to do to that defense. The thing is, most people also figured that Lovie Smith and co wouldn't be stupid enough to attempt to single cover one of the league's best WR's when they have no shut down CB's. EDIT: Also, apparently you skipped the post where I noted that all my comparisons were towards our second stringer, who sucked shit, Kyle Orton. Grossman was undoubtedly the better QB. The reason I brought up the fact that he HAD played more than one game is because you said he had only played once, but he hadn't. At any rate, his total time on the field still equated to that of a rookie QB, or a 3rd stringer. Having played 7 games over 3 years does not make him a seasoned player, however, saying that he had only played one game makes you misinformed, because he put the offense in place with Turner. | ||
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Chris.K
United States147 Posts
and I still rest my case... this is the 2nd nfc championship game in 3 years I believe.... yeah the bears shore own them...  Oh man here come those ruff ridah hawks I've been in love with carolina since I saw delhomme go TD for TD against brady in that superbowl.. the panthers are an amazing team with almost 0 credit towards em..... shore would be ncie to see Holmgren against shanahan again though.... so torn so torn.. regardless broncos take all :D | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 17 2006 16:21 Chris.K wrote: this is funny.... Carolina is still a championship team and I still rest my case... this is the 2nd nfc championship game in 3 years I believe.... yeah the bears shore own them... Oh man here come those ruff ridah hawks I've been in love with carolina since I saw delhomme go TD for TD against brady in that superbowl.. the panthers are an amazing team with almost 0 credit towards em..... shore would be ncie to see Holmgren against shanahan again though.... so torn so torn.. regardless broncos take all :D I agree, and I completely forgot about how that'd be a rematch if Holmgren went up against Shanahan. Shanahan would win it again, though. The Seahawks aren't as good as those Packers were. Also, someone said the Steelers were the most underrated team going into the AFC side of the playoffs this year. That's wrong, the Broncos were. No one picked them to beat the Pats (except Shannon Sharpe, but he pretty much has to, being an ex-Bronco), and hardly anyone is picking them to beat the Steelers. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On January 17 2006 16:15 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: "By the way, he had 10+ catches for 168 yards last time with no touchdowns" No touchdowns is the key. It doesn't matter if a team puts up a thousand yards in a game if they can't score on you. I never said DelHomme sucked, I said he wasn't the best QB there is, which is a fact. I cannot account for the mismanagement in the game, I'm not a Bear coach or player. After Foster went down there was one threat left, really, that being Steve Smith. Why did they have a third stringer single covering him? Don't know. Why were they single covering him at all? Don't know. I can only name one CB who could almost certainly single cover Smith and handle him, that being Champ Bailey (who is definitely one of the top CB's in the league, but I really don't know a lot of CB's, so there might be more, or even better guys out there). Smith won them that game, and this is a fact. When one player covers over half a teams entire offense, something was wrong with scheming. Smith had 218 yards, and they totaled 434. That's OVER half from one player. He also had 2 TD's that game, which is about half their points. Had they gameplanned for him just a bit more, maybe they could have won, but they didn't, and I cannot explain why because, as stated, I'm not a part of the organization. The problem the Bears have had all year has been their offense, and not being able to pass the ball. Muhammed didn't do shit all year long, and we lost our #2 reciever pretty early on (Bradley). So, basically, they were relying on the defense to come out and win that game for them. The defense came out and played like shit, and the coaching staff NEVER made ANY adjustments. They never got pressure on DelHomme, and they single covered Smith. If you're not going to double cover a guy, then get the fucking QB. They didn't do that. Yes, I did say he was going to be shut down, but the whole time I was talking shit about the Panthers, I was doing just that: Talking shit. I thought the Bears D would come out prepared, but they didn't. I thought they'd double cover Smith once they had shut down the running game, and hopefully would have taken the early lead, but they didn't. It wasn't a typical Bears game at all, and the team played nothing to what they were capable of. Also, last I checked, I was the one living in IL, and the one who listens to the Chicago sports radio.. Yes, Bears fans were definitely worried about what Steve Smith was going to do to that defense. The thing is, most people also figured that Lovie Smith and co wouldn't be stupid enough to attempt to single cover one of the league's best WR's when they have no shut down CB's. EDIT: Also, apparently you skipped the post where I noted that all my comparisons were towards our second stringer, who sucked shit, Kyle Orton. Grossman was undoubtedly the better QB. The reason I brought up the fact that he HAD played more than one game is because you said he had only played once, but he hadn't. At any rate, his total time on the field still equated to that of a rookie QB, or a 3rd stringer. Having played 7 games over 3 years does not make him a seasoned player, however, saying that he had only played one game makes you misinformed, because he put the offense in place with Turner. You didn't respond to me, so I'm not going to bother responding to you. Refer to my above post. Regardless of everything though, you cannot dodge this single immutable, irrefutable, irreformable, undeniable, inexorable FACT: The team you said would win--indeed the team you supported by shit-talking your team's opponent, got beat--and in just about everyone's opinions but chicago fans, they got beat badly. I said the panthers would win. You said the bears would win. I was right. You were wrong. Simple as that, and you're not getting out of it. GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On January 17 2006 16:15 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: I never said DelHomme sucked, I said he wasn't the best QB there is, which is a fact. And I quote: "Going to DelHomme. He's not that great of a QB, he just has one of the top WR's in the league." Slight difference between those two statements. Saying he's "not that great" of a QB is pretty much just a nice way to say that you do not think highly of him at all. I guess you must not think highly of Tom Brady, either, since both of them play their best when the pressure is on. You neglected the other few hundred words I wrote, so that's that I guess. | ||
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