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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36400 Posts
January 08 2006 22:20 GMT
#181
the pats HAVE to win at denver, because they simply MUST play each other in the playoffs. don't let denver do the dirty work for you, bitches.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-10 08:54:07
January 10 2006 08:52 GMT
#182
On January 08 2006 23:34 HyunG wrote:
i think it'll be a real close game due to the fact that alexander will actually be somewhat contained I think. We'll see. Im thinking redskins by a field goal or so. oo

and its over for Pitt. If Colts score first, then u can expect a blow out.
As for New England, it'll be a great game i think. But I think Denver is a bit too much for NE this year. Good run though.

Last playoff game: Panthers looked good, but I think the cold weather will help out the bears. Both teams will be forced to run, and Bears have better D and better run attack with Jones than Panthers with Foster. But it will be close game since Bears D does allow alot of yards.


Are you dumb? They were #2 in yards allowed this year, #1 in points against. Easily the most dominant defense over the last five years (note, after the Ravens D).

On January 09 2006 06:30 KOFgokuon wrote:
steve smith shut down all dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
redskins have the ridiculus linebacking core to at least slow down alexander, seahawks will have to beat them in the air. their secondary is still beat up though, so it's definitely plausible. I'm still not convinced that the seahawks defense is that great. They may have good numbers, but come on, nfc west? Either way, we'll see this week if they're overrated, or if they're legitimately good. I just don't think the seahawks have the top-level playmakers on defense that most of the other teams have. Let's see if I get proven wrong on saturday


I agree. Steve Smith will probably be shut down all dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. He didn't really do a whole lot last time around, but DelHomme has made improvements in his game since week 11. Should be a good game, but it's a Bear victory.
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Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
January 10 2006 08:53 GMT
#183
Patriots all the way. The other matchups are irrelevant.
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HyunG
Profile Joined July 2003
Korea (South)205 Posts
January 10 2006 09:48 GMT
#184
1. i never said anything about points.
2. wow my bad. i didn't look up the stats before i said it. I had the bears d on my fantasy team and it looked like they allowed a lot of yards. I thought they just got a lot of turnovers to give me points.
3. You got something against me?
4. stop trying to be so smart rofl. I know football, maybe not as well as you (i dunno how much u know).
Ps I went 3-1 last week =p Giants game was not expected.
Hi
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 10 2006 10:00 GMT
#185
On January 10 2006 18:48 HyunG wrote:
1. i never said anything about points.
2. wow my bad. i didn't look up the stats before i said it. I had the bears d on my fantasy team and it looked like they allowed a lot of yards. I thought they just got a lot of turnovers to give me points.
3. You got something against me?
4. stop trying to be so smart rofl. I know football, maybe not as well as you (i dunno how much u know).
Ps I went 3-1 last week =p Giants game was not expected.


The "are you dumb" is just something that gets said a lot where I live, and I've started to use it.

The only team with less yardage allowed was the Bucs, and the Bears would have had that, should they have kept the starters in week 17.

I'm not "trying to be smart" I'm merely stating my opinion. If I disagree with someone, I'm not going to act as if I don't.

I was really hoping for the Bucs to win, and I figured that Washington would defuse soon, thus leaving the Bucs a good opportunity at home, and Chris Simms had been playing great. The Giants game was very unexpected. Even if they lost, they shouldn't have been shut out. (Quick note: The last time they were shut out was against the '85 Bears in the playoffs.)
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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 10 2006 10:38 GMT
#186
Panthers will win big against chicago. The panthers have a an average offense; jake delhomme is good if not a little interception prone, and foster has been looking better every game. Chicago has NO OFFENSE. They have rex grossman--he sucks. Very badly. And he's had alot of time to mature and start not sucking, but he hasn't, and I don't think he ever will. Their other QB suck worse, as they have shown in past games. Their running game is average on a good day.

They have no chance at a super bowl. What is the playoff average of points? A good bit over 20. And better D's than the bears have given up more points in than that. It WAS just a matter of time, and now that time has run up.

























PS GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
January 10 2006 12:11 GMT
#187
thomas jones is definitely an unsung hero for the bears this year. he put up really good numbers for an anemic offense (scored half of the bear's offensive touchdowns) while being banged up most of the year. I don't see how you can possibly say that their run game is average at best, not when they have a top 10 rusher in yards AND touchdowns. And how can you say that Rex Grossman sucks? We've barely seen him play. at all. it's one thing to say he's inexperienced, and we have no idea what we'll get out of him. Saying that he's trash just because he's injury prone and hasn't had a chance to prove himself is something else entirely.

Orton isn't very good though, that is true. But to say they have no shot at the superbowl is dumb. The ravens had a terrible offense too, yet they won the superbowl. Everything about these teams is very similar, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them make a run at the superbowl at all.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 10 2006 12:32 GMT
#188
omg sign of appocalypse !!!

Seahawk advertisement on this very site AS i clicked on this thread. It means the Seahawks have the backing of the Christian God, we win.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 10 2006 21:01 GMT
#189
On January 10 2006 21:11 KOFgokuon wrote:
thomas jones is definitely an unsung hero for the bears this year. he put up really good numbers for an anemic offense (scored half of the bear's offensive touchdowns) while being banged up most of the year. I don't see how you can possibly say that their run game is average at best, not when they have a top 10 rusher in yards AND touchdowns. And how can you say that Rex Grossman sucks? We've barely seen him play. at all. it's one thing to say he's inexperienced, and we have no idea what we'll get out of him. Saying that he's trash just because he's injury prone and hasn't had a chance to prove himself is something else entirely.

Orton isn't very good though, that is true. But to say they have no shot at the superbowl is dumb. The ravens had a terrible offense too, yet they won the superbowl. Everything about these teams is very similar, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them make a run at the superbowl at all.


Grossman is awful. And you'll see sunday just how awful. He is inexperienced, but that doesn't mean he doesn't suck.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 11 2006 07:04 GMT
#190
On January 11 2006 06:01 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2006 21:11 KOFgokuon wrote:
thomas jones is definitely an unsung hero for the bears this year. he put up really good numbers for an anemic offense (scored half of the bear's offensive touchdowns) while being banged up most of the year. I don't see how you can possibly say that their run game is average at best, not when they have a top 10 rusher in yards AND touchdowns. And how can you say that Rex Grossman sucks? We've barely seen him play. at all. it's one thing to say he's inexperienced, and we have no idea what we'll get out of him. Saying that he's trash just because he's injury prone and hasn't had a chance to prove himself is something else entirely.

Orton isn't very good though, that is true. But to say they have no shot at the superbowl is dumb. The ravens had a terrible offense too, yet they won the superbowl. Everything about these teams is very similar, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them make a run at the superbowl at all.


Grossman is awful. And you'll see sunday just how awful. He is inexperienced, but that doesn't mean he doesn't suck.


You are an idiot, and clearly know nothing about football.

Anyone who watches Grossman sees that he has certain things going for him already, especially considering his inexperience. He has a quick release, and pretty decent field vision, especially for a guy who hasn't played much. He makes better reads on the defense than some quarterbacks, definitely so against most rookies, and he has good pocket presence, too.

On the contrary, you're going to see exactly how overrated the Panthers are because the Giants happened to play bad last week. They're going to go up against a great defense, and Foster will NOT run for 100+ yards. If Foster can't run, that forces the game into DelHomme's hands, which is bad news for the Panthers, because he's not exactly the guy you want to rely on in a pressure situation; he's a decent QB, but nothing special by any stretch of the imagination.

Remember the last time they played? Yeah, of course you do. 8 sacks, two picks, 3 points allowed. You really think that team has the ability to beat this year's #1 defense, and one of the best defenses over the last 20 years?
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Chris.K
Profile Joined January 2006
United States147 Posts
January 11 2006 07:43 GMT
#191
Rookie Quarterback... Almost no season experience... = doom.... atleast for the ravens dilfer was a little better than a rookie with one game under his belt....


remember what happened to big ben.... yeah unless the defense scores some points the bears offense won't make over 10.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
January 11 2006 08:15 GMT
#192
On January 11 2006 16:43 Chris.K wrote:
Rookie Quarterback... Almost no season experience... = doom.... atleast for the ravens dilfer was a little better than a rookie with one game under his belt....


remember what happened to big ben.... yeah unless the defense scores some points the bears offense won't make over 10.


He has more than one game under his belt. He installed the offense on the team, it's not like it's something new to him. It's a lot different than a rookie who got injured in pre-season then came back in week 15 or something.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
January 11 2006 09:26 GMT
#193
yeah, he just has 3 (maybe 2, forget how early he got hurt) pre seasons, and 6 actual games of playing experience. He has the real game experience of a 3rd year backup quarterback. At some point, watching film and practicing just isn't enough, you need to have real game experience, which he fundamentally lacks. I'm not saying he isn't good. I have no idea. He certainly has more upside than Orton (read: Any upside at all) so having him in won't hurt. He really is the x-factor in the game, if he plays well bears win. If he plays badly, complete toss up. Even so, having one of his first games back against the panthers is not something I'd want, not with all the ball hawks in their secondary
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 11 2006 09:35 GMT
#194
On January 11 2006 16:04 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2006 06:01 -_- wrote:
On January 10 2006 21:11 KOFgokuon wrote:
thomas jones is definitely an unsung hero for the bears this year. he put up really good numbers for an anemic offense (scored half of the bear's offensive touchdowns) while being banged up most of the year. I don't see how you can possibly say that their run game is average at best, not when they have a top 10 rusher in yards AND touchdowns. And how can you say that Rex Grossman sucks? We've barely seen him play. at all. it's one thing to say he's inexperienced, and we have no idea what we'll get out of him. Saying that he's trash just because he's injury prone and hasn't had a chance to prove himself is something else entirely.

Orton isn't very good though, that is true. But to say they have no shot at the superbowl is dumb. The ravens had a terrible offense too, yet they won the superbowl. Everything about these teams is very similar, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them make a run at the superbowl at all.


Grossman is awful. And you'll see sunday just how awful. He is inexperienced, but that doesn't mean he doesn't suck.


You are an idiot, and clearly know nothing about football.

Anyone who watches Grossman sees that he has certain things going for him already, especially considering his inexperience. He has a quick release, and pretty decent field vision, especially for a guy who hasn't played much. He makes better reads on the defense than some quarterbacks, definitely so against most rookies, and he has good pocket presence, too.

On the contrary, you're going to see exactly how overrated the Panthers are because the Giants happened to play bad last week. They're going to go up against a great defense, and Foster will NOT run for 100+ yards. If Foster can't run, that forces the game into DelHomme's hands, which is bad news for the Panthers, because he's not exactly the guy you want to rely on in a pressure situation; he's a decent QB, but nothing special by any stretch of the imagination.

Remember the last time they played? Yeah, of course you do. 8 sacks, two picks, 3 points allowed. You really think that team has the ability to beat this year's #1 defense, and one of the best defenses over the last 20 years?


I don't know much about football, but frankly, I think I know ten times as much as you.

"Anyone who watches grossman..." Huh? He's thrown the ball 39 times ALL SEASON.

How the fuck do you know that he has "a quick release... pretty decent field vision... makes better reads on the defense than some quarterbacks, definitely so against most rookies and has good pocket presence." Unless you're a profesional football analyst SHUT THE FUCK UP.
shuturface
Profile Joined January 2006
United States4 Posts
January 11 2006 10:22 GMT
#195
seahawks are going to lose for sure, redskins defense has been unstoppable and will keep alexander from running the ball...also the skins offense will be back in gear this week and santana moss and clinton portis will have big games...the spead on the game is +10 last i saw for the skins, anyone who bets should put money on them
Chris.K
Profile Joined January 2006
United States147 Posts
January 11 2006 10:26 GMT
#196
The Panthers are still a superbowl caliber team... if you ignore last year.... and everyone thinks they are chumps


exactly what people thought with the pats... although the pats are back and fully capable of taking any other team out shanahan has a plan for them he always does

but people need to stop looking so much into stats and records and slumps.... and look at the effing teams they played.....

Redskins by far are riding a nice streak they have a lot of upside... while the hawks on the other hand don't

then you look at the other NFC matchup once again carolina.... super bowl team..... bears... great defense ... and a quarterback who has shown the world nothing..... hrrmm who would I place my bets on in this game.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
January 11 2006 10:32 GMT
#197
On January 11 2006 19:22 shuturface wrote:
seahawks are going to lose for sure, redskins defense has been unstoppable and will keep alexander from running the ball...also the skins offense will be back in gear this week and santana moss and clinton portis will have big games...the spead on the game is +10 last i saw for the skins, anyone who bets should put money on them


saying that the redskins will cover a 10 point spread (which i think will definitely happen) and saying that the seahawks are gonna lose are completely different things. their defense is definitely not unstoppable, their secondary is still beat up. rogers springs and walt harris still aren't 100% (and walt harris suck anyways). Personally I think it'll be a close game (and I hope the redskins win), mainly because I think the seahawk's defense is overrated because they played so many shitty teams. Again, at this point, pretty much every point of these games has been argued. Time for everyone to put their foots in their mouths and wait for saturday/sunday to come on by -_- (not mocking you -_-, that's actually a face i use all the time).
Chris.K
Profile Joined January 2006
United States147 Posts
January 11 2006 10:42 GMT
#198
Den vs pats
Skins vs Hawks
Panthers vs bears
Indy vs Steelers

theorycrafting this is... these are the teams with the best statistical chances of winning based on teams played... current streaks... and overall comparisons of defense and offense.. done by me of course

as of right now i'm 3-1 mainly because I thought simms was a better player and my lack of watching him proved to be a very vital thing.

plus I lucked out on the bengals... I mean I believe i picked the steelers b/c I wanted the pats to goto denver
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 11 2006 11:00 GMT
#199
They must have been done by you, cause if you went by the numbers the Seahawks have the highest probability of not only going to the superbowl, but winning it as well. Numbers compiled by Las Vegas of course.
Chris.K
Profile Joined January 2006
United States147 Posts
January 11 2006 11:11 GMT
#200
Some fanboy forgot to factor in that the hawks are overrated and played worthless teams... and miscalculation the previous loss to the skins...which will fully put the hawks foot up their ass...

plus if they make it past the skins.... the definately can not take a superbowl caliber team in the panthers..... and lord knows hasselback can't score on the bears defense if it comes to that.... well correction he may actually score on them.... but I'd say the bears defense would outscore his offense....

Vegas numbers take the highest seeded team and automatically give them the favorite.... seriously find a team that had a by... that doesn't have the odds to win... and hell it doesn't even mean they are better teams... in the seahawks case... the cards... err teams... fell in the right order and they had an easy schedule... besides the probowler in the line... which I'd say didn't deserve it ... it absolutely sucks.... the secondary sucks... the offense.... alexander can be shut down... the recievers errr.. RECIEVER isn't someone who I'd list in my top 10 or 15. plus hasselback ... yeah sorry... I'm not even going to begin on him... someone needs to get this guy a walker
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