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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote: I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it. Not talking about professionalism, I mean if sponsors keep getting contacted about every little thing and pull out eventually. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:40 BakedButters wrote: I will gladly continue to express my dislike of Destiny, as per his own rant. Your insensitive attitude towards the community, unprofessional manner/behavior, does not encourage the growth of e-sports. I don't know why you think your the shit, but in the end, it's performance results, sportsmanlike attitude (arrogant or humble), hard work, that makes you respected in this community and sport. Sure you might have fans now because your a US foreigner, but in the end your crappy attitude will bite you back, and you will become irrelevant, if you don't change you know you didn't have to watch his stream right? stop trying to police the world to your standards | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:46 MonkSEA wrote: What a vile and disgusting community this has become. I couldn't even understand the fiasco with Orb, but now this? Come-on. How many potential sponsors have we lost with the racist remarks, compared to how many sponsors we've hurt and deterred through the lynching and weekly witch hunts. "We need to legitimize E-Sports and if that means getting rid of racist pigs, then so be it" No. That's not going to be the solution to anything at all. How many streamers who have a fan base and some type of affiliation to a team or organization are going to hide their real selves now in fear of a single slip up? CatZ and Minigun are two people who use moderately foul language, are you going to see them be themselves now? No. Do you want to kill personalities who have helped build this community to what it is today just because you feel the need to legitimize E-Sports? If you guys want this to get any bigger then it is, you have to get the fuck over what someone said when playing in a private game. You're not legitimizing anything. All you're doing is making SC2 look like a big joke where if someone says one bad thing then they're jumped on. I'd say that is doing the opposite, delegitimizing what we built up. Like I said, this vile, disgusting and hypocritical community is going to be the downfall of such an entertaining, relaxing, tense and beautiful sport. Give yourselves a pat on the back for killing the people who helped builds this to what it is today. I think that most people and personalities realize there's a difference between using a word that targets no one in particular, like "shit" or "fuck", and using a word like "gook" which targets a specific subset of people and has a historical derogatory meaning. | ||
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MBV
United States83 Posts
It is when a player says offensive things in a tournament setting in which if a person wishes to watch the tournament they must endure language that they do not wish to hear. However since Destiny is not running around MLGs saying racial slurs, I see no reason as to why he was punished for the commentary on his own stream. | ||
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
We should be looking to make the community more inclusive, instead of using language to keep it exclusive. I'm tired of people talking about white-knighting, as if this isn't something people get upset about every single day all over the country. Or that it is somehow not justified to be upset that a prominent and visible representative of your community is acting in an embarrassing manner. It's unfortunate that people went to the sponsors so quickly again. Hopefully the next time something like this occurs, people give the teams time to respond. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I really think that Reddit needs to be burned to the ground sometimes. It seems like they just stink up lives sometimes. For the sake of e-sports, I guess :/ Sorry to break it to you, but the Destiny thing got zero play on reddit. This was all the TL community. | ||
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hadhubhi
30 Posts
I had trouble respecting Quantic as a professional organization with them tacitly condoning all of Destiny's rhetoric and antics. I emailed them to this effect over a month ago. I'm very glad they've finally disassociated themselves with this repugnant individual. Judging from Destiny's response, he hasn't learned anything from any of this. At least with IdrA it seems like he knows when he's being an asshole (and just happens to enjoy pushing people's buttons). But Destiny really and truly seems to believe all the bile that pours out of his mouth, and that's just... sad and disturbing. | ||
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
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Doriboi
United States181 Posts
Good luck to you in the future. | ||
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.Vanek
United States8 Posts
Yes, I am what many would consider to be a "Destiny fanboy," but I am also a "TL (and eSports) fanboy." I will always support Destiny for being a staple of the entertainment I receive on a daily basis. I will also continue to support TeamLiquid.net, it's players and of course all of their sponsors. That being said, and with a heavy heart, (though most of you probably don't care) I feel that I will need some time away from this community. I hope to return someday with perhaps a more level head but I just cannot show my support to a community who acts upon events so hastily and with as much hostility as the community has shown recently. Good bye TeamLiquid  but good luck and have fun! <3-eSports supporter and enthusiast. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:44 partisan wrote: Hopefully this will be a lesson to other players and teams in the future yeah who needs personality. teams should just go ahead and stomp that out right now. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
First it was Orb. Now it was Destiny. The hell is wrong with people. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:47 Dodgin wrote: Not talking about professionalism, I mean if sponsors keep getting contacted about every little thing and pull out eventually. People are overestimating the effect of a few emails. How many people emailed? A hundred, at best? How many people casually follow esports and tune into, say, MLG? Thousands if not hundreds of thousands. Razer knows this, and knows that the number of angry nerds vs number of stream or tourney viewers is much smaller. Although I do agree that teams should be contacted directly before sponsors are. | ||
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ffdestiny
United States773 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:49 GhandiEAGLE wrote: yeah who needs personality. teams should just go ahead and stomp that out right now. personality != racial slurs. | ||
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Leeoku
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
I honestly wonder if some of you are just acting this way because it's Destiny, or if you were the guys who emailed ESPN because they had a headline mentioning the word "chink" (not even in the derogatory context) about Jeremy Lin. I was taught that words and phrases only have power because we, as a society, allow them to. Instead of being so concerned about what words are being used, we should be more mindful of their context and message. It's a shame that "mother fucker" is only offensive because people don't like the word "fucker," instead of disliking it because of what it implicates. | ||
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:53 Primadog wrote: I give it another month until the locust-like elements in TL/reddit decide their next lynch target and mess with the sponsors again. The mob has tasted power and will abuse it. For those that actually wrote to sponsors for this and that Orb thing, did you ever wrote anything to the sponsors outside of these lynch campaigns? Why not? Wouldn't positive thank you emails contribute far more than throwing one of us under the bus each month? Exactly, but on the other hand, players need to be more careful. | ||
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