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On May 04 2012 16:54 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:51 motbob wrote:On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.
Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion. I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it. the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it. this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer. What does that mean, exactly, to "act like a videogamer?" Is using the word "gook" "acting like a videogamer?" Not really, but I do get the impression that people try way to hard to legitimize something that, at the end of the day, is just a videogame, and still a marginal part of main-stream society.
I know that you may not be one of these people, but I find it funny that:
a major company sponsors a pro-gaming team, everyone is all "Hey guys esports is real now!"
then something like this happens and everyone's all "why are we trying to get this to be a thing"
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"The fact of the matter is, me leaving Quantic or forfeiting any sponsorship really doesn't hurt my income, or affect me, much at all." This quote alone reinsures me of how ridiculous he is. Basically slapping Quantic in the face by saying that their sponsorship made no difference for him. Glad that the SC2 community is policing because it seems like the teams/sponsors/leagues sure the hell arent until its too late. After watching his stream just a few times I knew that he was destined to fail and disappear into the SC2 abyss. lol
anyway, great move Quantic. +1 for you!
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On May 04 2012 16:55 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:51 motbob wrote:On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.
Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion. I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it. the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it. this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer. What does that mean, exactly, to "act like a videogamer?" Is using the word "gook" "acting like a videogamer?" How can you deny there's a culture around gaming that includes offensive words, raging, and general internet based angst? And there's an argument for preserving that, at least IMO. The better point is...we are gamers, Destiny is a professional, and there needs to be a line there.
Can you make an argument for preserving a culture that includes using words like "nigger" and "gook?" I'm interested to hear it.
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Well, this is retarded.
Actually, I've learnt something good from reading through all these threads that have been popping up everywhere: I need to get the fuck off of forums and play some Starcraft.
You people with your thousands of posts and twelve billion karma (I don't know how that shit works), who seem to do nothing but gossip and post inane shit in six thousand page threads, what the fuck are you doing, really? Why do you care?
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On May 04 2012 16:02 TerlocSG wrote:
Surprised it didn't happen sooner. His biggest selling point is he'll say anything, no matter how taboo it is. Definitely shouldn't be supported by a team, let alone a sponsor like Razor.
And good job by him attacking Razor with help from his fans, real mature man.
He's not attacking Razer with his fans. He's asking those who complained to them to be consistent.
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On May 04 2012 16:48 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I really think that Reddit needs to be burned to the ground sometimes. It seems like they just stink up lives sometimes. For the sake of e-sports, I guess :/ Sorry to break it to you, but the Destiny thing got zero play on reddit. This was all the TL community.
To be fair. If Destiny wasn't Reddit's baby to begin with, r/sc probably would join the mob happily.
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On May 04 2012 16:56 MysteryTerran wrote:
"The fact of the matter is, me leaving Quantic or forfeiting any sponsorship really doesn't hurt my income, or affect me, much at all." This quote alone reinsures me of how ridiculous he is. Basically slapping Quantic in the face by saying that their sponsorship made no difference for him. Glad that the SC2 community is policing because it seems like the teams/sponsors/leagues sure the hell arent until its too late. After watching his stream just a few times I knew that he was destined to fail and disappear into the SC2 abyss. lol
anyway, great move Quantic. +1 for you!
I don't hate him for it but he really acted immaturely, calling dudes out and shit at the end. Destiny will be Destiny but that move wasn't cool.
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On May 04 2012 16:56 TheDraken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:45 zerglingrodeo wrote:
It is astonishing how quickly people make assumptions about the character and motivations of those with whom they disagree in this thread. There are a lot of posts about how anyone who emailed the sponsors/Quantic have no motivation other than 'stroking their egos' or maliciously 'ruining careers' or flexing their newfound 'power' or their love of 'drama.'
Isn't it possible that at least some of these people find public use of racist language unacceptable?
That said, it goes both ways. Just as sw ought not simply assume that those who are glad to see Quantic part ways with Destiny are power-tripping 'white knights' (whatever that is supposed to mean), we ought not assume that Destiny supporters are all 'immature' or 'racists' or 'KKK members.' Have a little charity in your interpretation of the opposition, people. so then don't watch him. the link is labeled explicit. if a person goes on there and gets offended, they have no one else to blame.
THIS
though some people want to police the world and can't stand to see people enjoy something they don't
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I wonder what his future plans are, his stream numbers are still relatively strong but without the stability/sponsorship from a team, don't know whether he'll try to find a new team or just try and depend on his steam numbers (or just quit the SC2 community altogether, though that's highly unlikely).
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On May 04 2012 16:53 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.
Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion. I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it. the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it. this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer. I'm a gamer. All my friends are gamers. I don't know any one of them that uses words like "gook", "nigger", or "Chink". And there's a difference between someone gaming on their own and a professional- and to those who claim he's just a streamer in private, that's what he's best known for, and he's representing a professional gaming team. If he isn't one, then he shouldn't be on one. I'm sure tons of people playing Basketball for fun use homophobic slurs, but if an NBA player did he would get his ass fined and maybe a suspension. If you're a public figure, you're held to a different standard .Simple as that.
But if it was his team's choice to pick him up, shouldn't it be their responsibility to deal with this rather than the community emailing sponsors? Because when you email sponsors you hurt way more people than just the one you dislike. Whether or not Quantic should have gotten rid of destiny I don't really care about. I'm just irked in the irrational, hot-headed, and potentially disastrous way that this was approached by the TL community
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What kind of culture that 'prides' itself on being disrespectful to everyone and thinking of the most vile shit they can to insult one another with over a VIDEO GAME is worth saving?
Good riddance I say, everyone needs to grow up at some point (some people desperately need to grow up more than others)
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Not going to comment on destiny's choice of words, that discussion has been taken already. I'm just disheartened to see the sad people that go to sponsors/teams with their self-righteous hatred. Even if they don't agree with him, you should think that kind of cheap action were below them. I guess not. And I guess they even think they are doing the right thing. I think blowing such things up like this instead of just shaking your head, leaving his stream and move on makes matters worse. And frankly, should be beneath anyone.
Considerate of destiny to make this move. And good thing he is okay finansially. I don't know him well, but from what I have seen he is a more decent man than the mob and their pitch forks.
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On May 04 2012 16:46 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:44 ShakaZu.Sc2 wrote:
The funny part of it all is everyone saying the community did a good job. If doing a "good job" was having the potential for Razer to just stop sponsoring Starcraft 2 in general then awesome we should keep it up. People need to realize that literally the ONLY people affected by this was every player on Quantic BESIDES Destiny. As he said this doesn't affect him at all, ultimately he doesn't care that much. On the other hand Quantic had the potential to actually be destroyed as a team.
Im glad that at least a good amount of the community realized that and didn't rush to email Razer, and if you did I urge you to think about the big picture before you do something so rash. And if you think that the "big picture" doesn't matter then you actually are hurting eSports. If "racist and offensive" speech is bad for esports and Starcraft and thats why you did emailed Razer then you should be able to realize that destroying teams and chasing away sponsors is just as bad. People should have been mailing Quantic not Razer. And if the only reason you emailed anyone is because you wanted to join the mob and had nothing else to do then shame on you. We have to be a more intelligent community if we want Starcraft to go mainstream Kind of agree but I doubt Razer is going to pack their bags and leave over emails. Should definitely go to the teams first. But Razer does their research and I'm pretty sure they realize that more people are going to see the Razer logos while tuning into MLG than people who get angry on the internet.
Ill agree that Razer isn't likely to pack their bags, hell they've got a good thing going with Starcraft imo. But we shouldn't be taking risks or discouraging future sponsors who could look at this incident as well as the other witch hunts. You could literally argue dozens of different ways sponsors could interpret these witch hunts but the safest thing to do is simply email the team and have some patience. I'm personally of the opinion that a majority of the people that emailed Razer were actually white knights or people who couldn't care less about racism but rather just hated Destiny. I feel like if someone wants to help esports and starcraft by removing racism then they would go about in in a way that is most helpful to esports. Not in a way that could potentially cause even more harm.
This community is for the most part very intelligent however I think in threads like the Destiny thread you see the what is worst about the community exemplified and probably a representation of very few community members just by the sheer number of idiotic posts by both sided in that thread. I refuse to believe that these witch hunts are going to define us as a community because the day they do is the death of Starcraft as an esport imo
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Move along, people. Nothing to see here. Go home, you looky-loos.
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On May 04 2012 16:53 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:51 imMUTAble787 wrote:On May 04 2012 16:47 mememolly wrote:On May 04 2012 16:40 BakedButters wrote:
I will gladly continue to express my dislike of Destiny, as per his own rant. Your insensitive attitude towards the community, unprofessional manner/behavior, does not encourage the growth of e-sports.
I don't know why you think your the shit, but in the end, it's performance results, sportsmanlike attitude (arrogant or humble), hard work, that makes you respected in this community and sport.
Sure you might have fans now because your a US foreigner, but in the end your crappy attitude will bite you back, and you will become irrelevant, if you don't change you know you didn't have to watch his stream right? stop trying to police the world to your standards seems more like the community policed an individual to the community's standards. maybe one day you'll understand this individual's opinion represents a sizeable percentage of the people on this site. lolol so we should just let the mob decide everything for us and allow no individuality in the scene? thanks lolol
Funny you should use the word "we".
The vocal "we" just spoke its mind and as a result the clown Destiny got a reality check and realized he can't get away with saying anything he wants in order to protect his "individuality".
If you are part of another vocal "we" then by all means, email the sponsors, tell them you like individuals using the word "gook" and they should sponsor more people like Destiny.
Hell, you can even propose your own players saying "gook" to the sponsors if you think that will make the scene better and sponsors happy.
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Destiny handled this like a champ and made Quantic look the best he could. He went out of his way to say they didnt Ask him to leave, but that he left for the "good of the team"
And seriously 5000000x ignorant retards saying "OMG finally i can respect quantic" OMG douchebags... they didnt kick him or ask him to leave or anything. He left on his own accord...
SERIOUSLY hurry, quick, someone tell Idra to drop his ENTIRE PERSONA or were going to get him kicked off his team...
Next time he doesnt say GG or he tells someon they are bad im emailing his sponsors begging them to drop him...
Seriously a bunch of nobodies decided they wanted to make themselves feel important for a day and decided to try to get sponsors to pull what little money they give, out of esports.
Congratulations though on showing the players that they better submit to our will or they are all fucked...next time Tyler says he doesnt like being bothered at events on SotG or something... im emailiong the sponsors....
Next MLG Sign: GIVE ME YOUR AUTOGRAPH OR ILL EMAIL YOUR SPONSORS!
I need to go out and buy a disc that clearly states explicit on the label... and then ill email the record company telling them how offended I am at hearing what I sought out to hear...
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I will keep watching Destiny stream just to support him. Still better quality than most of the streamers, maybe not skillwise but the entertainment factor is amazing, atleast for me. If I want watch top players I watch koreans play with kpoppin without mic.
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Well this is too bad. I rather like Destiny however I've always found his war = racial slurs a rather flimsy argument. I just hope that people that support his words mean whatever I want them to mean also support Aris Bakhtanians from the fighting game community. Pretty similar ideas about keeping it real, not being fake.
Alice in Wonderland's Humpty Dumpty is always what I think always think about with Destiny.
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On May 04 2012 16:58 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:56 MysteryTerran wrote:
"The fact of the matter is, me leaving Quantic or forfeiting any sponsorship really doesn't hurt my income, or affect me, much at all." This quote alone reinsures me of how ridiculous he is. Basically slapping Quantic in the face by saying that their sponsorship made no difference for him. Glad that the SC2 community is policing because it seems like the teams/sponsors/leagues sure the hell arent until its too late. After watching his stream just a few times I knew that he was destined to fail and disappear into the SC2 abyss. lol
anyway, great move Quantic. +1 for you! I don't hate him for it but he really acted immaturely, calling dudes out and shit at the end. Destiny will be Destiny but that move wasn't cool.
Considering this community constantly keeps their torches lit and pitchforks sharpened, I'm pretty sure his comments against the 'haters' is justified.
People don't:
-Read the page that says his stream has harsh language
-Ignore the guy and avoid his stream when they clearly get pissed off by him
-STOP POSTING SILLY SHIT
If someone wasn't so intent on causing an uproar from some bad words, this and other posts like it wouldn't exist and we could get back to actually watching and playing Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty.
Alice in Wonderland's Humpty Dumpty is always what I think always think about with Destiny.
The guy gets 1500 viewers after TL unlists him. I think Humpty Dumpty is made of steel.
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On May 04 2012 16:20 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 16:18 LeLfe wrote:
politically correct won again, destination boredom... Please explain why: entertainment equals racially abusing someone? That is down right disturbing. The entertainment is suppose to be this game, getting to know the community which spans people all over the world. Watching tournaments, learning new strats.
not specifically racial slurs, ladder rage is what it is: empty thoughts rage... do you really think he also "did it with your mum"?
what bothers me is that nowadays you can't do or say anything out the lines without having a ton of good thinking people creating useless drama... so only one type of emotion is allowed to be showed?
don't get me wrong, I don't support either Destiny or his acts, but I think the guys who contact sponsors in that kind of situation are more armful than Destiny is. In addition to that, they probably hurt themselves more than they hurt him as he explained in OP.
I just don't want this sanitized society we're heading to
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