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SwallowTheSun
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada53 Posts
May 04 2012 08:02 GMT
#281
Kids need some thicker skin these days. Ever played on a playground? Been called a name, ever? How does anyone take that much offence to what someone says? Also, I'm pretty sure Destiny's stream has a warning you have to accept before viewing, so if you are an individual who might take offence easily guess what? You don't have to watch. In the meantime I think I'll tune in more often.
r4pture
Profile Joined May 2011
United States397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 08:03:32
May 04 2012 08:02 GMT
#282
Holy shit guys, someone said a bad word!

Lets tell the SPONSORS so we can hurt EVERYONE in the team. Sure we'll hurt the person who said OMG A BAD WORD but we'll also hurt the other SC2 team members, the other game players (Quantic has much more then SC2), the management, and everyone involved.

But hey, he said A BAD WORD TO SOMEONE OMG! Its a good thing I'm such a fucking white knight and can go hurt as many people as I can in my selfrightous path of fucking idiocy.

People make me sick.

On a side note, it was incredibly, INCREDIBLY stupid for Steven to run his mouth like he does. But not even he deserved both the huge cut in income (TL delisting) and losing his team all at once.

I hope you're happy.
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acerockolla
Profile Joined June 2011
United States219 Posts
May 04 2012 08:02 GMT
#283
On May 04 2012 16:55 SimDawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:51 motbob wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.

For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.

Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion.

I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it.


the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it.

this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer.

What does that mean, exactly, to "act like a videogamer?" Is using the word "gook" "acting like a videogamer?"


How can you deny there's a culture around gaming that includes offensive words, raging, and general internet based angst? And there's an argument for preserving that, at least IMO.

The better point is...we are gamers, Destiny is a professional, and there needs to be a line there.



The other thing we need to keep in mind is that he's a professional GAMER. Professional athletes aren't held to these standards and continue to make fools of themselves all the time. It's part of the draw. With that said, I understand sponsors not wanting to associate with such things. Other sports draw money from the actual events without having to rely solely on sponsors. Until we get to such a point, we'll have to endure all this fake outrage of sponsors dealing with issues they don't really care about. Keep in mind, I'm referring to sponsors here. I realize some take offense to what Destiny does/says.
NewModel
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany124 Posts
May 04 2012 08:03 GMT
#284
destiny was in a clan? lol i thougt he were only an streaming clown.

but by all i heard what he says on his stream he is just to often over the top and his level of play is just not that good that he can make so many mistakes. he will life frome streaming anyway i think. and its the right decision to drop him from the team.

scarrow
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom30 Posts
May 04 2012 08:03 GMT
#285
Fucking keyboard warriors.

Do you people not live in the real world and have interactions?

Cunts.



Also can everyone stop talking about making e-sports more professional for it to go mainstream. It has nothing to do with it. People just think it's fucking weird people get paid to play games and that others watch it. (this includes gamers).

You cunts just feel important for this first time in your life.


Live in the real world please.


User was banned for this post.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
May 04 2012 08:03 GMT
#286
On May 04 2012 16:58 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:56 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:45 zerglingrodeo wrote:
It is astonishing how quickly people make assumptions about the character and motivations of those with whom they disagree in this thread. There are a lot of posts about how anyone who emailed the sponsors/Quantic have no motivation other than 'stroking their egos' or maliciously 'ruining careers' or flexing their newfound 'power' or their love of 'drama.'

Isn't it possible that at least some of these people find public use of racist language unacceptable?

That said, it goes both ways. Just as sw ought not simply assume that those who are glad to see Quantic part ways with Destiny are power-tripping 'white knights' (whatever that is supposed to mean), we ought not assume that Destiny supporters are all 'immature' or 'racists' or 'KKK members.' Have a little charity in your interpretation of the opposition, people.


so then don't watch him.

the link is labeled explicit. if a person goes on there and gets offended, they have no one else to blame.


THIS

though some people want to police the world and can't stand to see people enjoy something they don't


pretty much...... I've never watched him because I didn't find it too interesting but I knew full well what he was saying on stream and didn't care at all... it WARNS you. lol Anybody watch the movie Gran Torino and then get horribly offended?
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
May 04 2012 08:04 GMT
#287
I just do not feel like the community has to police this more than they already have.
It is not a good thing, but I fail to see how it is everyone else heres obligation and duty to continue chasing down Destiny when all he does is stream on a stream that you yourself chose to watch.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
May 04 2012 08:04 GMT
#288
On May 04 2012 17:03 scarrow wrote:
Fucking keyboard warriors.

Do you people not live in the real world and have interactions?

Cunts.



Also can everyone stop talking about making e-sports more professional for it to go mainstream. It has nothing to do with it. People just think it's fucking weird people get paid to play games and that others watch it. (this includes gamers).

You cunts just feel important for this first time in your life.


Live in the real world please.


thank you.
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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
May 04 2012 08:04 GMT
#289
On May 04 2012 17:00 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:53 mememolly wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:51 imMUTAble787 wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:47 mememolly wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:40 BakedButters wrote:
I will gladly continue to express my dislike of Destiny, as per his own rant. Your insensitive attitude towards the community, unprofessional manner/behavior, does not encourage the growth of e-sports.

I don't know why you think your the shit, but in the end, it's performance results, sportsmanlike attitude (arrogant or humble), hard work, that makes you respected in this community and sport.

Sure you might have fans now because your a US foreigner, but in the end your crappy attitude will bite you back, and you will become irrelevant, if you don't change


you know you didn't have to watch his stream right? stop trying to police the world to your standards


seems more like the community policed an individual to the community's standards. maybe one day you'll understand this individual's opinion represents a sizeable percentage of the people on this site.

lolol


so we should just let the mob decide everything for us and allow no individuality in the scene? thanks

lolol


Funny you should use the word "we".

The vocal "we" just spoke its mind and as a result the clown Destiny got a reality check and realized he can't get away with saying anything he wants in order to protect his "individuality".

If you are part of another vocal "we" then by all means, email the sponsors, tell them you like individuals using the word "gook" and they should sponsor more people like Destiny.

Hell, you can even propose your own players saying "gook" to the sponsors if you think that will make the scene better and sponsors happy.


you didn't answer my point, you don't realise how this sort of situation scares away interesting people from joining the scene
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
May 04 2012 08:04 GMT
#290
On May 04 2012 17:00 Leth0 wrote:
What kind of culture that 'prides' itself on being disrespectful to everyone and thinking of the most vile shit they can to insult one another with ...


Culture's without consequences.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
May 04 2012 08:05 GMT
#291
How did anyone on this thread get through high school.... o wait... a forum full of nerds who were bullied in highschool are now using their "internet power" to "fight back" HOLY SHIT IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

User was temp banned for this post.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
May 04 2012 08:06 GMT
#292
Live in the real world please.

I do live in the real world. If someone called someone else a racial slur in the workplace (in this case the Starcraft 2 ladder) they would be fired on the spot.
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NMHU.
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 08:06:49
May 04 2012 08:06 GMT
#293
On May 04 2012 17:03 scarrow wrote:
Fucking keyboard warriors.

Do you people not live in the real world and have interactions?

Cunts.



Also can everyone stop talking about making e-sports more professional for it to go mainstream. It has nothing to do with it. People just think it's fucking weird people get paid to play games and that others watch it. (this includes gamers).

You cunts just feel important for this first time in your life.


Live in the real world please.


User was banned for this post.



I think that if I could rephrase or reword it to be politically correct, I think that it would reflect my opinion perfectly to be fairly honest.
TheDraken
Profile Joined July 2011
United States640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 08:08:11
May 04 2012 08:06 GMT
#294
On May 04 2012 16:53 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.

For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.

Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion.

I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it.


the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it.

this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer.

I'm a gamer. All my friends are gamers. I don't know any one of them that uses words like "gook", "nigger", or "Chink". And there's a difference between someone gaming on their own and a professional- and to those who claim he's just a streamer in private, that's what he's best known for, and he's representing a professional gaming team. If he isn't one, then he shouldn't be on one. I'm sure tons of people playing Basketball for fun use homophobic slurs, but if an NBA player did he would get his ass fined and maybe a suspension. If you're a public figure, you're held to a different standard .Simple as that.


well i'm glad you think you and your friends are the scope of the situation. unfortunately for you there's a bigger world outside that DOES include nigger gook and chink in it. there are people out there that realize words are just words. honestly, i thought the whole sticks and stones thing was something people learned when they were like 5. the whole "protection of the public" argument really only comes into play when people don't have a choice if they hear those words or not. but people have a choice, and yet they still want to shit on destiny.

this isn't basketball. it never will be. people trying to turn starcraft into something that will be shown on ESPN and watched by millions of people have their heads in the clouds. people need to realize that this is just a videogame, and that "pros" are just people really good at a videogame. people engage in this stuff to relax and unwind... the last thing we need is a tight-collar corporate mentality plaguing this community.
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vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
May 04 2012 08:07 GMT
#295
My buttHURTS, lets see who is the next guy i`ll try to get fired
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2012 08:07 GMT
#296
On May 04 2012 16:58 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:48 motbob wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I really think that Reddit needs to be burned to the ground sometimes. It seems like they just stink up lives sometimes. For the sake of e-sports, I guess :/

Sorry to break it to you, but the Destiny thing got zero play on reddit. This was all the TL community.


To be fair. If Destiny wasn't Reddit's baby to begin with, r/sc probably would join the mob happily.

The thread on Reddit about this is overwhelmingly in favor of Destiny lol
r4pture
Profile Joined May 2011
United States397 Posts
May 04 2012 08:08 GMT
#297
On May 04 2012 17:06 Fueled wrote:
Show nested quote +
Live in the real world please.

I do live in the real world. If someone called someone else a racial slur in the workplace (in this case the Starcraft 2 ladder) they would be fired on the spot.


Except in your example Blizzard is the employer. This is more like the crowd at a concert rushing the stage and attacking the singer/band. Its not acceptable.
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iamcup
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
May 04 2012 08:08 GMT
#298
Good call from destiny and especially Quantic. I honestly feel kid got what he deserved and I cant belive some people actually think what happened to Destiny was wrong. He showed no professionalism and he acts like a immature kid who thinks he can go around shouting racist stuff out and thinking nothing can touch him. He clearly dosent think what he does is wrong if he cant show any level of maturity he doesnt really deserve to be in a professional team. Quantic on the other hand did a good job handling the situation and it was the right call.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
May 04 2012 08:09 GMT
#299
On May 04 2012 17:06 TheDraken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 16:53 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:50 TheDraken wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:44 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 04 2012 16:41 Dodgin wrote:
I'm starting to see a pattern here.

For better or for worse things are changing around sc2 and how the teams/community functions compared to a year ago or even less than that.

Oh well I'll always have the GSL/OSL/PL even if the foreign sc2 scene nukes itself into oblivion.

I fail to see how getting the community to act more professionally will "nuke" it.


the community is driven by its character, and trying to make it "professional" in this way will strip the life out of it.

this is a videogame. we are videogamers. we should expect people to act like a videogamer, not some pompous golfer.

I'm a gamer. All my friends are gamers. I don't know any one of them that uses words like "gook", "nigger", or "Chink". And there's a difference between someone gaming on their own and a professional- and to those who claim he's just a streamer in private, that's what he's best known for, and he's representing a professional gaming team. If he isn't one, then he shouldn't be on one. I'm sure tons of people playing Basketball for fun use homophobic slurs, but if an NBA player did he would get his ass fined and maybe a suspension. If you're a public figure, you're held to a different standard .Simple as that.


well i'm glad you think you and your friends are the scope of the situation. unfortunately for you there's a bigger world outside that DOES include nigger gook and chink in it. there are people out there that realize words are just words. honestly, i thought the whole sticks and stones thing was something people learned when they were like 5.

this isn't basketball. it never will be. people trying to turn starcraft into something that will be shown on ESPN and watched by millions of people have their heads in the clouds. people need to realize that this is just a videogame, and that "pros" are just people really good at a videogame. people engage in this stuff to relax and unwind... the last thing we need is a tight-collar corporate mentality plaguing this community.


Sticks & Stones works in an ideal world, but we do not live in an ideal world. There is a reason that lawmakers are so tough on racism and part of that is that it will escalate very quickly.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 04 2012 08:09 GMT
#300
On May 04 2012 17:08 r4pture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 17:06 Fueled wrote:
Live in the real world please.

I do live in the real world. If someone called someone else a racial slur in the workplace (in this case the Starcraft 2 ladder) they would be fired on the spot.


Except in your example Blizzard is the employer. This is more like the crowd at a concert rushing the stage and attacking the singer/band. Its not acceptable.

Except Quantic would probably have stepped in community outroar or no anyway.
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