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On May 17 2012 05:31 Bonzinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 05:16 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:12 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 04:58 Holcan wrote:
why wasn't wade given a game off for his body check on collison? it makes no sense.....dc should've wailed on the ground for ten minutes like everyone else, then maybe the refs would give a flagrant 2 to a superstar. It wasn't a flagrant 2 by any means, it was a flagrant 1. Simple as that. If he was in the air or pushed him with hands, i bet he would have gotten #2. I didn't see any unnecessary and excessive contact there. He just bumped him and moved him out of the way to the basket. Bodycheck isn't the right word to discribe that foul. Going to disagree with you on that one. I see it as a clear bodycheck from behind, which can be very dangerous when the player you hit is going fast in the same direction. Wade was obviously trying to hit him too out of frustration for not getting a call on the play before, which adds in the intent factor. Other players have gotten 1-game suspensions for that kind of stuff and less this season. The only reason Wade didn't is because he's Wade. Collison did step in he path Wade was running. So there was more power to it then if he wouldn't cut him off. He's intent was to stop him for an easy 2. Not hurting him. I belive that. Wade isn't Artest. As for others i can't really say thats true, but i guess star factor will always raise those claims. Well at the end, it won't matter. Touching a shooter on a elbow before the realese is a clear foul.
Collison was in front of Wade running towards the basket on a fast break. He was doing what he was supposed to be doing to score the ball. Wade was behind Collison and intentionally knocked him out of bounds by crashing into him from behind without making any sort of valid basketball play. I don't believe Wade was trying to hurt him either, but he was intending to run into Collison in an unnecessarily dangerous manner in reaction to not getting a call on the other side. He wasn't trying to deflect a pass or block a shot, he was trying to knock Collison out of bounds from behind by crashing into him with his body. That's entirely unnecessary and excessive and clearly falls under the definition of a flagrant 2 foul.
The reference to the uncalled foul on Chalmers' 3pt attempt is wholly irrelevant.
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On May 17 2012 07:34 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 05:31 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 05:16 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:12 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 04:58 Holcan wrote:
why wasn't wade given a game off for his body check on collison? it makes no sense.....dc should've wailed on the ground for ten minutes like everyone else, then maybe the refs would give a flagrant 2 to a superstar. It wasn't a flagrant 2 by any means, it was a flagrant 1. Simple as that. If he was in the air or pushed him with hands, i bet he would have gotten #2. I didn't see any unnecessary and excessive contact there. He just bumped him and moved him out of the way to the basket. Bodycheck isn't the right word to discribe that foul. Going to disagree with you on that one. I see it as a clear bodycheck from behind, which can be very dangerous when the player you hit is going fast in the same direction. Wade was obviously trying to hit him too out of frustration for not getting a call on the play before, which adds in the intent factor. Other players have gotten 1-game suspensions for that kind of stuff and less this season. The only reason Wade didn't is because he's Wade. Collison did step in he path Wade was running. So there was more power to it then if he wouldn't cut him off. He's intent was to stop him for an easy 2. Not hurting him. I belive that. Wade isn't Artest. As for others i can't really say thats true, but i guess star factor will always raise those claims. Well at the end, it won't matter. Touching a shooter on a elbow before the realese is a clear foul. Collison was in front of Wade running towards the basket on a fast break. He was doing what he was supposed to be doing to score the ball. Wade was behind Collison and intentionally knocked him out of bounds by crashing into him from behind without making any sort of valid basketball play. I don't believe Wade was trying to hurt him either, but he was intending to run into Collison in an unnecessarily dangerous manner in reaction to not getting a call on the other side. He wasn't trying to deflect a pass or block a shot, he was trying to knock Collison out of bounds from behind by crashing into him with his body. That's entirely unnecessary and excessive and clearly falls under the definition of a flagrant 2 foul. The reference to the uncalled foul on Chalmers' 3pt attempt is wholly irrelevant.
Weird, all this points and NBA just dismissed it. Consipracy i suppose. Help Heat win the tittle. I just don't buy it.
Rondo got suspended 1 game. So i don't buy this superstar nonsense at all.
I brought up Chalmers since the response on my post was Wades flagrant foul that's all. It will get overlooked sadly.
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On May 17 2012 07:45 Bonzinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 07:34 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:31 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 05:16 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:12 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 04:58 Holcan wrote:
why wasn't wade given a game off for his body check on collison? it makes no sense.....dc should've wailed on the ground for ten minutes like everyone else, then maybe the refs would give a flagrant 2 to a superstar. It wasn't a flagrant 2 by any means, it was a flagrant 1. Simple as that. If he was in the air or pushed him with hands, i bet he would have gotten #2. I didn't see any unnecessary and excessive contact there. He just bumped him and moved him out of the way to the basket. Bodycheck isn't the right word to discribe that foul. Going to disagree with you on that one. I see it as a clear bodycheck from behind, which can be very dangerous when the player you hit is going fast in the same direction. Wade was obviously trying to hit him too out of frustration for not getting a call on the play before, which adds in the intent factor. Other players have gotten 1-game suspensions for that kind of stuff and less this season. The only reason Wade didn't is because he's Wade. Collison did step in he path Wade was running. So there was more power to it then if he wouldn't cut him off. He's intent was to stop him for an easy 2. Not hurting him. I belive that. Wade isn't Artest. As for others i can't really say thats true, but i guess star factor will always raise those claims. Well at the end, it won't matter. Touching a shooter on a elbow before the realese is a clear foul. Collison was in front of Wade running towards the basket on a fast break. He was doing what he was supposed to be doing to score the ball. Wade was behind Collison and intentionally knocked him out of bounds by crashing into him from behind without making any sort of valid basketball play. I don't believe Wade was trying to hurt him either, but he was intending to run into Collison in an unnecessarily dangerous manner in reaction to not getting a call on the other side. He wasn't trying to deflect a pass or block a shot, he was trying to knock Collison out of bounds from behind by crashing into him with his body. That's entirely unnecessary and excessive and clearly falls under the definition of a flagrant 2 foul. The reference to the uncalled foul on Chalmers' 3pt attempt is wholly irrelevant. Weird, all this points and NBA just dismissed it. Consipracy i suppose. Help Heat win the tittle. I just don't buy it. Rondo got suspended 1 game. So i don't buy this superstar nonsense at all. I brought up Chalmers since the response on my post was Wades flagrant foul that's all. It will get overlooked sadly.
The difference between Wade and Rondo is enormous, and the NBA has a much greater interest in keeping the former on the floor than the latter. I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy to help the Heat win, but more of an interest in protecting superstars like Wade and making sure they play since they draw fans. Wade is one of the faces of the league, whereas Rondo is... not. You're fooling yourself if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment by the refs and the league.
How has the Chalmers foul been overlooked? It was discussed in a front page article on ESPN while Wade's flagrant wasn't mentioned at all.
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For basketball lovers, there's a post explaining the Spurs' basic offensive set, the motion weak
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/42873/the-san-antonio-spurs-arent-boring
At first I thought it sounded like the triangle (guard, wing corner, ball to the post one of the first options), but it's much more screen heavy, and the strong forward in the post rotates to the other side of the post and the other big man goes to the top of the key. Whereas the triangle flashes a wing to the top of the key to initiate the "pinch post".
I'm a little disappointed nobody ever talks about basketball strategy, whereas there is some discussion in football. I remember reading a post on how defense evolved from the 85 Bears "46 defense", to the tampa 2, to quarters, and the corresponding offense adjustments which forced the evolution. There are strategic counters to offensive and defensive sets in football (thereby rewarding obfuscation), but I rarely read strategic evolution in basketball. Except there was one on how the Jordan bulls switched between forcing middle with forcing baseline, which shocked everyone.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/38653/how-the-starks-dunk-changed-nba-history
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yea, I apologize for the accusation, that being said, I still think wade got off nicely, and if it was roles reversed collison would've gotten a game.
also rondo isn't a superstar, he is a fantastic player no doubt, but he isnt the face of the league like wade is.
I think the fact collison wasn't on the ball, and wade put not only shoulder but forearm into the opponent would warrant a game suspension. wade had the opportunity to do a wrap up foul or any other basketball play, and conciously choose the excessive force.
also its not the league that would put the pacers at an advantage due to a suspension, it would be wade who pulled his team down, you can't put the onus on the league for players making emotional moves.
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On May 17 2012 07:53 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 07:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 07:34 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:31 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 05:16 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:12 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 04:58 Holcan wrote:
why wasn't wade given a game off for his body check on collison? it makes no sense.....dc should've wailed on the ground for ten minutes like everyone else, then maybe the refs would give a flagrant 2 to a superstar. It wasn't a flagrant 2 by any means, it was a flagrant 1. Simple as that. If he was in the air or pushed him with hands, i bet he would have gotten #2. I didn't see any unnecessary and excessive contact there. He just bumped him and moved him out of the way to the basket. Bodycheck isn't the right word to discribe that foul. Going to disagree with you on that one. I see it as a clear bodycheck from behind, which can be very dangerous when the player you hit is going fast in the same direction. Wade was obviously trying to hit him too out of frustration for not getting a call on the play before, which adds in the intent factor. Other players have gotten 1-game suspensions for that kind of stuff and less this season. The only reason Wade didn't is because he's Wade. Collison did step in he path Wade was running. So there was more power to it then if he wouldn't cut him off. He's intent was to stop him for an easy 2. Not hurting him. I belive that. Wade isn't Artest. As for others i can't really say thats true, but i guess star factor will always raise those claims. Well at the end, it won't matter. Touching a shooter on a elbow before the realese is a clear foul. Collison was in front of Wade running towards the basket on a fast break. He was doing what he was supposed to be doing to score the ball. Wade was behind Collison and intentionally knocked him out of bounds by crashing into him from behind without making any sort of valid basketball play. I don't believe Wade was trying to hurt him either, but he was intending to run into Collison in an unnecessarily dangerous manner in reaction to not getting a call on the other side. He wasn't trying to deflect a pass or block a shot, he was trying to knock Collison out of bounds from behind by crashing into him with his body. That's entirely unnecessary and excessive and clearly falls under the definition of a flagrant 2 foul. The reference to the uncalled foul on Chalmers' 3pt attempt is wholly irrelevant. Weird, all this points and NBA just dismissed it. Consipracy i suppose. Help Heat win the tittle. I just don't buy it. Rondo got suspended 1 game. So i don't buy this superstar nonsense at all. I brought up Chalmers since the response on my post was Wades flagrant foul that's all. It will get overlooked sadly. The difference between Wade and Rondo is enormous, and the NBA has a much greater interest in keeping the former on the floor than the latter. I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy to help the Heat win, but more of an interest in protecting superstars like Wade and making sure they play since they draw fans. Wade is one of the faces of the league, whereas Rondo is... not. You're fooling yourself if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment by the refs and the league. How has the Chalmers foul been overlooked? It was discussed in a front page article on ESPN while Wade's flagrant wasn't mentioned at all.
While the difference between Wade and Rondo is big i don't necessarily think it's because of fans they didn't give him #2.
I bet you if he would have missed 1 game, Pacers arena would be full, Heat fans or Wade fans would watch the game, ratings wouldn't have droped by an inch. Fans wouldn't stop liking Wade because of it etc. But i agree with you that Lebron and Wade get the special treatment time to time, LIKE all the other superstars in this game.
But i don't think he got any on that call.
Oh and it was Wades flagrant on headline rather then Chalmers. Still is. Foul on Chalmers was just mention on TrueHoop.
Wouldn't really consider that front page 
Edit: Philly vs. Boston ON. Should be tight till the end.
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Wade's foul looks really similar to Jason Smith's foul on Blake, except 1) Collison didn't flail and 2) Wade is a superstar. Jason Smith got suspended for that.
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On May 17 2012 08:18 Pacifist wrote:
Wade's foul looks really similar to Jason Smith's foul on Blake, except 1) Collison didn't flail and 2) Wade is a superstar. Jason Smith got suspended for that.
Waaaay less force used by Wade then Jason Smith. And the angle from which Jason is going for it is crucial, since he really bangs Blake. But it is similar in a way.
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On May 17 2012 06:21 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 06:01 VENDIZ wrote:
For those of you talking about Nash + the Bulls; it's never going to happen, Nash is too expensive and is looking for a 3-year deal, something the Bulls won't give him. He'll take a pay cut if he really wants a ring. @AntiGrav1ty- I agree that he would make those guys a lot better, but the Bulls need to get a lot of offense from only a few places. Rose did a pretty good job at getting Noah and Gibson the ball when they had looks. Nash would do a little bit better but with a lot less scoring of his own.
There is no way Chicago would win a ring with Steve Nash starting for the current Bulls team.
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On May 17 2012 07:54 igotmyown wrote:For basketball lovers, there's a post explaining the Spurs' basic offensive set, the motion weak http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/42873/the-san-antonio-spurs-arent-boringAt first I thought it sounded like the triangle (guard, wing corner, ball to the post one of the first options), but it's much more screen heavy, and the strong forward in the post rotates to the other side of the post and the other big man goes to the top of the key. Whereas the triangle flashes a wing to the top of the key to initiate the "pinch post". I'm a little disappointed nobody ever talks about basketball strategy, whereas there is some discussion in football. I remember reading a post on how defense evolved from the 85 Bears "46 defense", to the tampa 2, to quarters, and the corresponding offense adjustments which forced the evolution. There are strategic counters to offensive and defensive sets in football (thereby rewarding obfuscation), but I rarely read strategic evolution in basketball. Except there was one on how the Jordan bulls switched between forcing middle with forcing baseline, which shocked everyone. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/38653/how-the-starks-dunk-changed-nba-history
The spurs article is a very nice read!  thanks for that!
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On May 17 2012 08:08 Bonzinator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 07:53 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 07:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 07:34 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:31 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 05:16 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:12 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 04:58 Holcan wrote:
why wasn't wade given a game off for his body check on collison? it makes no sense.....dc should've wailed on the ground for ten minutes like everyone else, then maybe the refs would give a flagrant 2 to a superstar. It wasn't a flagrant 2 by any means, it was a flagrant 1. Simple as that. If he was in the air or pushed him with hands, i bet he would have gotten #2. I didn't see any unnecessary and excessive contact there. He just bumped him and moved him out of the way to the basket. Bodycheck isn't the right word to discribe that foul. Going to disagree with you on that one. I see it as a clear bodycheck from behind, which can be very dangerous when the player you hit is going fast in the same direction. Wade was obviously trying to hit him too out of frustration for not getting a call on the play before, which adds in the intent factor. Other players have gotten 1-game suspensions for that kind of stuff and less this season. The only reason Wade didn't is because he's Wade. Collison did step in he path Wade was running. So there was more power to it then if he wouldn't cut him off. He's intent was to stop him for an easy 2. Not hurting him. I belive that. Wade isn't Artest. As for others i can't really say thats true, but i guess star factor will always raise those claims. Well at the end, it won't matter. Touching a shooter on a elbow before the realese is a clear foul. Collison was in front of Wade running towards the basket on a fast break. He was doing what he was supposed to be doing to score the ball. Wade was behind Collison and intentionally knocked him out of bounds by crashing into him from behind without making any sort of valid basketball play. I don't believe Wade was trying to hurt him either, but he was intending to run into Collison in an unnecessarily dangerous manner in reaction to not getting a call on the other side. He wasn't trying to deflect a pass or block a shot, he was trying to knock Collison out of bounds from behind by crashing into him with his body. That's entirely unnecessary and excessive and clearly falls under the definition of a flagrant 2 foul. The reference to the uncalled foul on Chalmers' 3pt attempt is wholly irrelevant. Weird, all this points and NBA just dismissed it. Consipracy i suppose. Help Heat win the tittle. I just don't buy it. Rondo got suspended 1 game. So i don't buy this superstar nonsense at all. I brought up Chalmers since the response on my post was Wades flagrant foul that's all. It will get overlooked sadly. The difference between Wade and Rondo is enormous, and the NBA has a much greater interest in keeping the former on the floor than the latter. I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy to help the Heat win, but more of an interest in protecting superstars like Wade and making sure they play since they draw fans. Wade is one of the faces of the league, whereas Rondo is... not. You're fooling yourself if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment by the refs and the league. How has the Chalmers foul been overlooked? It was discussed in a front page article on ESPN while Wade's flagrant wasn't mentioned at all. While the difference between Wade and Rondo is big i don't necessarily think it's because of fans they didn't give him #2. I bet you if he would have missed 1 game, Pacers arena would be full, Heat fans or Wade fans would watch the game, ratings wouldn't have droped by an inch. Fans wouldn't stop liking Wade because of it etc. But i agree with you that Lebron and Wade get the special treatment time to time, LIKE all the other superstars in this game. But i don't think he got any on that call. Oh and it was Wades flagrant on headline rather then Chalmers. Still is. Foul on Chalmers was just mention on TrueHoop. Wouldn't really consider that front page Edit: Philly vs. Boston ON. Should be tight till the end.
Your'e right that one missed game wouldn't have had an immediate impact on the league, but they generally want to protect and give Wade special treatment because they want to keep him happy since he's so important as a face of the NBA. I agree that other superstars get special treatment also, but that doesn't make the decision by the league to not suspend Wade a game excusable.
I still don't see how you can think that Wade's foul on Collison doesn't warrant a flagrant #2. He literally made no play on the ball and intentionally knocked a smaller player to the floor and into the cameramen with his body while both were running in retaliation for a non-call. What would have made it worthy of a flagrant #2 in your eyes? Collison lying on the floor afterward for a few moments looking dazed? An injury? While I agree that it wasn't as severe of an impact, the foul is very similar to the Jason Smith flagrant that got him suspended for two games. I don't see how 1 game wasn't warranted here if you take away the superstar element.
I didn't see any mention of Wade's flagrant as a headline on ESPN, and I don't see one now. I did, and still, see a headline about whether Chalmers was fouled though, which has been on the main part of the page in the top left (not just on Truehoop).
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76ers realizing they dont belong here. sucks for their fans. very bad show
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Cyric why are you still debating with that heat homer. he doesn't think lebron flops, you're never going to get through to him
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Lol, the "screen" they show is Perkins shoving Kobe in the back.
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Looks like the lakers came to play tonight. I felt like they could have let that slip away from them for a while
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On May 17 2012 09:57 XaI)CyRiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 08:08 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 07:53 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 07:45 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 07:34 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:31 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 05:16 XaI)CyRiC wrote:On May 17 2012 05:12 Bonzinator wrote:On May 17 2012 04:58 Holcan wrote:
why wasn't wade given a game off for his body check on collison? it makes no sense.....dc should've wailed on the ground for ten minutes like everyone else, then maybe the refs would give a flagrant 2 to a superstar. It wasn't a flagrant 2 by any means, it was a flagrant 1. Simple as that. If he was in the air or pushed him with hands, i bet he would have gotten #2. I didn't see any unnecessary and excessive contact there. He just bumped him and moved him out of the way to the basket. Bodycheck isn't the right word to discribe that foul. Going to disagree with you on that one. I see it as a clear bodycheck from behind, which can be very dangerous when the player you hit is going fast in the same direction. Wade was obviously trying to hit him too out of frustration for not getting a call on the play before, which adds in the intent factor. Other players have gotten 1-game suspensions for that kind of stuff and less this season. The only reason Wade didn't is because he's Wade. Collison did step in he path Wade was running. So there was more power to it then if he wouldn't cut him off. He's intent was to stop him for an easy 2. Not hurting him. I belive that. Wade isn't Artest. As for others i can't really say thats true, but i guess star factor will always raise those claims. Well at the end, it won't matter. Touching a shooter on a elbow before the realese is a clear foul. Collison was in front of Wade running towards the basket on a fast break. He was doing what he was supposed to be doing to score the ball. Wade was behind Collison and intentionally knocked him out of bounds by crashing into him from behind without making any sort of valid basketball play. I don't believe Wade was trying to hurt him either, but he was intending to run into Collison in an unnecessarily dangerous manner in reaction to not getting a call on the other side. He wasn't trying to deflect a pass or block a shot, he was trying to knock Collison out of bounds from behind by crashing into him with his body. That's entirely unnecessary and excessive and clearly falls under the definition of a flagrant 2 foul. The reference to the uncalled foul on Chalmers' 3pt attempt is wholly irrelevant. Weird, all this points and NBA just dismissed it. Consipracy i suppose. Help Heat win the tittle. I just don't buy it. Rondo got suspended 1 game. So i don't buy this superstar nonsense at all. I brought up Chalmers since the response on my post was Wades flagrant foul that's all. It will get overlooked sadly. The difference between Wade and Rondo is enormous, and the NBA has a much greater interest in keeping the former on the floor than the latter. I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy to help the Heat win, but more of an interest in protecting superstars like Wade and making sure they play since they draw fans. Wade is one of the faces of the league, whereas Rondo is... not. You're fooling yourself if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment by the refs and the league. How has the Chalmers foul been overlooked? It was discussed in a front page article on ESPN while Wade's flagrant wasn't mentioned at all. While the difference between Wade and Rondo is big i don't necessarily think it's because of fans they didn't give him #2. I bet you if he would have missed 1 game, Pacers arena would be full, Heat fans or Wade fans would watch the game, ratings wouldn't have droped by an inch. Fans wouldn't stop liking Wade because of it etc. But i agree with you that Lebron and Wade get the special treatment time to time, LIKE all the other superstars in this game. But i don't think he got any on that call. Oh and it was Wades flagrant on headline rather then Chalmers. Still is. Foul on Chalmers was just mention on TrueHoop. Wouldn't really consider that front page Edit: Philly vs. Boston ON. Should be tight till the end. Your'e right that one missed game wouldn't have had an immediate impact on the league, but they generally want to protect and give Wade special treatment because they want to keep him happy since he's so important as a face of the NBA. I agree that other superstars get special treatment also, but that doesn't make the decision by the league to not suspend Wade a game excusable. I still don't see how you can think that Wade's foul on Collison doesn't warrant a flagrant #2. He literally made no play on the ball and intentionally knocked a smaller player to the floor and into the cameramen with his body while both were running in retaliation for a non-call. What would have made it worthy of a flagrant #2 in your eyes? Collison lying on the floor afterward for a few moments looking dazed? An injury? While I agree that it wasn't as severe of an impact, the foul is very similar to the Jason Smith flagrant that got him suspended for two games. I don't see how 1 game wasn't warranted here if you take away the superstar element. I didn't see any mention of Wade's flagrant as a headline on ESPN, and I don't see one now. I did, and still, see a headline about whether Chalmers was fouled though, which has been on the main part of the page in the top left (not just on Truehoop).
If Collison had the ball, was thrown into Wades head by Granger(not intentional), and he was trying to lay it in, then i would call it flagrant 2. I guess maybe i like a bit of roughness and perhaps, since i am a big Heat fan therfore a bit bias, i wouldn't call it #2. Tell me what you see on the right side. http://espn.go.com/nba/
Anyway let's just drop this subject and move on to the next game. Philly vs. Boston wasn't tight as i thought it will be.
Looking forward to see how will Lakers respond to the blowout tho
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Oh God. Metta World Peace.... that foul was hilarious
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Hahaha Artest is just the best. Seriously. Ref was just there and didn't see that LOL.
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Haha, how does Artest get away with that?
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MWP so good, I love that guy.
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