EPTSchool Shooting in Ohio - 3 Dead, 2 Injured - Page 20
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As always, with topics as complex and sensitive as these, please take a minute to think before you post. If this thread is to stay open the following must be avoided: - Disrespect to any of the parties involved (be it the bullies or bullied) The above includes: - Justifying or glorifying death or suicide as deserved - Disregarding or belittling the circumstances that give rise to these situations There's a reason why these discussions are always so sensitive. There are extremes on either side of the discussion that are disrespectful and narrow-minded in their own ways; the best approach is to carefully consider the other side before posting Warnings and bans will be handed out for unreasoned and insensitive statements. | ||
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Mouz.Lee
United States43 Posts
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[V]
United States905 Posts
RIP and may people find this as an opportunity for healing instead of hate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45175 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:27 Mouz.Lee wrote: Parents could teach their kids of the facts and ignorence of bullying and maybe things would be different Hopefully. Unfortunately, bullies can often come from broken homes or copy behaviors that their parents exhibit towards them, so they probably won't be having sit-down chats with mom and dad about why their own behavior is bad x.x It's a pity, really. | ||
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Mazaire
Australia217 Posts
This having been said, you cannot continue to bully someone and not expect some form of retaliation. | ||
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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
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sicnarf
Canada39 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:34 Dfgj wrote: Being a jerk isn't something that you deserve to die for. I don't know about these kids, but I don't see why someone who can't behave in society and can't change how he acts towards people might as well be put away, and I don't see why society should pay hotel rooms in prison for these guys. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On February 28 2012 22:26 Mouz.Lee wrote: what happens when the bullied becomes the bully...then who is right and who is wrong? the first person who bullied or the one who is retaliation bullying? Both are wrong? | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On February 28 2012 16:54 khaydarin9 wrote:The fact that you, with your United States location tag, feel that you can comment on Australian girls, yet dismiss my qualification to comment on socialisation in American schools based on my Australian location tag, is a further example of your inability to form a substantial argument. Oh, please. You came in guns blazing with unfounded assumptions about American society despite a complete lack of authority to say so. And then, you completely failed to respond to any of my substantive points, while concentrating your criticism on the least relevant issue in my post. Your hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so obviously unintentional. On February 28 2012 14:19 khaydarin9 wrote:I would also suggest that your unfortunate use of the descriptor "delightfully tough", which comes across as patronising (etymology alert!) and reeks of colonialist-esque novelty would indicate that you are poorly positioned to constructively engage in gender discourse. I would suggest that you take your patronizing attitude (hooray, more hypocrisy by you!) and shove it up your ass. This isn't a feminist If you would actually like to disagree with any of my relevant points, please feel free to do so. Just don't give me bullshit about "an inability to form a substantial argument" when your argument boils down to whining about political correctness. | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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Mouz.Lee
United States43 Posts
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sicnarf
Canada39 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:41 DannyJ wrote: Doubt it. I mean yeah sure, bullying has always made people do crazy shit, but doesn't there seem to be a FAR greater reaction to it nowadays in terms of violence and suicide, etc? Maybe I'm wrong. I guess it's just a different age with things like facebook and shit which are somehow making it harder for kids. Sad. That and the modern obsession of over-dramatizing everything in life. Teens want drama, they want their lives to be just like on TV. So whenever a small problem arises, it's suicide, death threats, etc. Why would you try and resolve conflicts reasonably when your parents decided the TV was going to be your nanny and your role models are Snooki, Kellie Pickler and the Kardashians? Explain to these kids who have been fed stupidity from birth up to the point of brain damage why God allowed Tim Tebow to win the superbowl but won't stop their bullies? There's just so many factors, so much horrible influence on youths, probably much more so in the US but all across the western world to some extent. On the flip side, as a guy who was viciously bullied in school (changed schools 4 times in my 5 yrs of HS, always being the new kid is loads of fun!), I had a giant grin when I read the news. I wouldn't have done that myself, but it's more of an issue of me not wanting to do the jail time more than the desire to watch the horrified look in their eyes as they realize that you've turned the tables and they are about to pay the ultimate price for their actions and behavior. Not surprised this happened, actually surprised it doesn't happen more. Maybe when we have a thousand dead bullies a year, parents will put their pants on and start educating their kids. Or maybe the schools will actually hand out severe punishment for bullying, although the bullies are usually the cool kids and from my personal experiences, the school will laugh at people complaining and never do anything to correct the situation. | ||
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
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Mouz.Lee
United States43 Posts
but this incident is about guns in schools(North Carolina has laws that parents must have guns locked in Gun Safes and if children bring a gun to school from home parents are charged) | ||
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Mouz.Lee
United States43 Posts
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Mouz.Lee
United States43 Posts
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supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
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funkie
Venezuela9376 Posts
who the fuck are you fighting that you need a gun in your fucking house? gtfo. | ||
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AeroGear
Canada652 Posts
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Mouz.Lee
United States43 Posts
Guns at home isnt the problem GUN SAFETY is the problem | ||
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sicnarf
Canada39 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:20 TwoToneTerran wrote: There's no such thing as "old enough to know better." It's purely situational. A 30 year old grown adult taken out of a tribal village won't "know better" in our society because behavior is environmentally dictated. "Knowing better" is a matter of conditioning the right societal interests into the kids. Which is also why you are wrong if you think children just naturally can progress into societal bullying. Bullying is a repeated act of low level harassment and it's like that because the bullies learn from whoever raised them that doing oppressive things that are unlikely to be caught or punished is how you treat people. It is the exact same kind of trauma that bullies inflict on others. If you're old enough to know better you should be able to broaden your view about this. Ignorance to the situation isn't just not condoning bullying. Bullshit bubblegum "feel-good" psychology written by snake oil salesmen who want to sell books on the largely uneducated masses. "Bullying is a repeated act of low level harassment and it's like that because the bullies learn from whoever raised them that doing oppressive things that are unlikely to be caught or punished is how you treat people." No. Just no. Now, my personal experience does not prove anything, but 90% of bullies at my HS were pretty wealthy kids, in particular I remember this Arab kid whose dad was an oil exec, the day he got his license, he came to school in a brand new BMW, kid lives a dream life and was probably one of THE worst bullies in that school. Why? Well he proved himself to others, it's cool to be "thug" and to act like you're out of a rap video clip. On top of my personal experience (cause that on it's own could be statistical variance and not represent the majority of cases), science has proven that while upbringing does have a certain effect, it is not THE cause of bullying. Society as a whole glorifies the Alpha male who dominates, it glorifies violence as a means to get ahead, it glorifies fame, appearance and popularity over any other aspect of a person. On top of that, genes come into play heavily when it comes to violent behavior as well. I wish the lefties would stop trying to use this to expand social programs by billions of dollars to try and prove their feel-good bullshit. While you can "become" bad through your life's experiences, most violent people have a genetic predisposition to it. | ||
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