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On January 24 2012 08:15 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:11 eXigent. wrote:On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:56 Luepert wrote:On January 24 2012 07:49 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:47 Luepert wrote:
If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed.
As long my precious SC2 players stay in the Sc2 scene and there continues to be GSTL and GSL, I am happy You read wrong. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. "Zergbong, the current best zerg in SC2, has received offers from KeSPA teams as well" Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent" If they are going to try to compete in the sc2 proleague, and maybe in gom events they may need some sc2 players... Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. I'm pretty sure KeSPA teams are BW proteams. What other teams does KeSPA have? Rather than just stating something, you should maybe explain it too because currently what you are saying doesn't make sense. KeSPA regulates all esports in korea. This includes a large number of games and teams. While all BW teams are regulated by KeSPA, not all KeSPA teams play BW. Currently SC2 is not managed by KeSPA in the same way Kart-Rider or Counter-Strike are. So basically when you hear that KeSPA is going to pick-up SC2 it doesn't mean that KT Rolster is going to be playing SC2 in the same way that it doesn't mean some random Fifa 2012 Kespa team is going to start playing SC2.
On January 24 2012 08:20 N.geNuity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:11 eXigent. wrote:On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:56 Luepert wrote:On January 24 2012 07:49 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:47 Luepert wrote:
If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed.
As long my precious SC2 players stay in the Sc2 scene and there continues to be GSTL and GSL, I am happy You read wrong. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. "Zergbong, the current best zerg in SC2, has received offers from KeSPA teams as well" Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent" If they are going to try to compete in the sc2 proleague, and maybe in gom events they may need some sc2 players... Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. I'm pretty sure KeSPA teams are BW proteams. What other teams does KeSPA have? Rather than just stating something, you should maybe explain it too because currently what you are saying doesn't make sense. there are some special forces teams that don't have bw teams (archer, aika). It wouldn't cost much to slap together non-code A koreans in a little teamhouse in preparation for a kespa league (whether true or not, I imagine some korean youths, like 17-19 year olds, could be drawn into the appeal of joining a kespa team).
Thanks for clearing that up. ^^
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On January 24 2012 08:19 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:17 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:13 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 08:09 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:56 Luepert wrote:On January 24 2012 07:49 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:47 Luepert wrote:
If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed.
As long my precious SC2 players stay in the Sc2 scene and there continues to be GSTL and GSL, I am happy You read wrong. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. "Zergbong, the current best zerg in SC2, has received offers from KeSPA teams as well" Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent" If they are going to try to compete in the sc2 proleague, and maybe in gom events they may need some sc2 players... Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. What do you mean by Kespa team =/= BW team? It's not like he will get an offer by a cartrider team or something lol. And I think Zergbong was a coach for KT for a long time? So it doesn't seem too far stretched that they would give him an offer. Sigh. I can't believe I have to clean this up for you. original poster thought zergbong was going to be taken away from sc II and dragged into bw. my first reply was misconstrued as "Kespa would never want to pick up Zergbong". This is the same assumption you're making. I clarified with 2nd reply: Kespa is an eSports organization that wants to make a sc 2 team supposedly and ergo offered him a position on the sc 2 team. original poster therefore does not need to feel any sadness becuz "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL". But kespa or any bw team would never want to pick up bong to play Brood War. The original assumption of the original poster. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. mkay? He could also refer to the SC2 league that Kespa might run on their own. And you could've just said 'BW teams will never be interested in SC2 players to play BW" and we could've avoided all that confusion  ...As opposed to BW teams would never be interested in SC II player...to play SC II?
Tha's what your post sounded like. But then again, I think you are misreading the original post. I think he is referring to the fact that he wants Bong to stay in the current SC2 scene and not play SC2 under the supposed Kespa league.
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On January 24 2012 08:17 Bd.Snake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
LoL will probably take over both pretty soon. Either way I've grown apathetic to the news tbh, Broodwar is dying, sc2 sucks, I'm just gonna keep playing bw on fish with my clanmates till it dies, then I'll move on. Pretty simple. Just wondering why do you think sc2 sucks?
Well personally I think it's a weak game because all of the units are bland, have little overall diversity, and are thus unable to be exploited in unique ways.
That and their is far too much coddling of mistakes, and it is so easy to execute basic build orders that have a tremendous win %.
(If Blizzard could fix those two big areas, a few other kinks here and there, it would be a much better game)
The graphics are nice though
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On January 24 2012 08:18 varint wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:57 HaFnium wrote:
At least Midas wont switch.
"It makes it easy for the reader to engage. I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." This is what i have trouble warping my head around. Its takes a special person to become really good at BW, you don't look at the UI and complain that it sucks but you see that it's a real challenge to master the game and dedicate your life to becoming really good at. And then SC2 comes along where almost everything that made BW hard and challenging to play is either missing or has been streamlined. So what I'm wondering is whether the BW pros could just start playing SC2, or like midas would they they turned off by the relatively easiness of the game and decied to do something else, or do they play BW because they like being progamers and they wouldn't have a problem playing SC2 as long it means they could still be progamers?
It's something more fundamental.
It can only really be summed up as a certain magic that Brood War just exudes.
The differences are salient enough to make it incomparable, regardless of the titular-ancestry status.
It's just expecting a basketball player to suddenly play golf...
Of course, to some, it's all about the monetary, and with the right incentives they'd switch without thought.
But I don't think the most dedicated progamers could stand playing SC II, even if they think it's a good game, simply because it's really just not the same And that's something even the viewers and fans can understand - and we don't want it to stop.
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Aside from Samsung and some of CJ's & STX products, other kespa company members doesn't REALLY NEED to cater the foreigners. I highly doubt they would be sponsoring ANY GAME to reach out for the WESTERN foreigners. Westerners need to realize that it's a waste to advertise and reach them since SKT, KT, & Woongjin are mainly targets korean-based consumers.
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
Regarding SC2 players being taken by Kespa if ever kespa creates an SC2 scene. JUST PLAIN LOL.
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On January 24 2012 08:20 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:11 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:09 bearbuddy wrote:On January 24 2012 07:59 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 07:55 bearbuddy wrote:
My question is-- why would sponsors that are korean based companies want to transition into a game that is internationally popular but not so much in Korea? I didn't know anything about any company (except for Samsung) before coming to TL. Korean Esports in general has sort of got in a bad spot in the last few years (dropping ratings/teams disbanding/MBC closing etc it's not all caused just by the emergence of SC2). I think they believe that SC2 can sort bring fresh wind to the scene/renew interest. And even if they are mostly korean based companies, foreign money/interest will not hurt. I would think that the companies, who basically make up KeSPA, are in it for advertising their brand, which would be reaching the Korean audience. The supposedly foreigner money would come in terms of consumerism, not sponsorship, assuming that the current teams are the ones making the switch, and that is not possible since most of these companies do not provide services abroad. Not necessarily for the companies, but foreign money from teams or organizations can strengthen the scene. It can provide more korean players with income/potential prize money. Hence my confusion. Most of the BW players are salary based paid by their primary sponsors, i.e. it's not a team name with multiple sponsors each chipping in, it's one giant sponsor that pretty much owns the team and smaller ones on the side. For example, SK Telecom T1 is primarily sponsored by the telecom company, and I'm sure the executives there have the main say in what they wish to do with their team. In comparison, prize winning is rather negligible. So they would be downsizing if they were to make a switch.
I know. But imagine a scenario where foreign teams could offer additional opportunities for stuck B-teamers or retired pro gamers.
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On January 24 2012 08:22 HyperionDreamer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:14 gngfn wrote:On January 24 2012 07:57 HyperionDreamer wrote:On January 24 2012 07:32 gngfn wrote:On January 24 2012 07:30 HaruHaru wrote:
As long my precious BW players stay in the BW scene and there continues to be Proleague and Individual leagues, I am happy The claim is that the second half of Proleague will be SC2. Without BW Proleague, there are no professional BW players. Wait, what? When was this announced???? It wasn't, which is why I used the word "claim." OK, but has there been any sort of evidence, or pseudo-announcement, or anything to support this at all? I could never ever see Kespa actually sanctioning this, which is why I'm so perplexed. Where did the claim come from, is what I'm asking?
The Proleague schedule divides the competition into two halves, each with its own finals. When this news came out before the current season, people were already speculating that the first half would be BW and the second SC2, since it makes no sense otherwise to jeopardize an event as consistently successful as the Proleague Grand Finals with a weird new schedule. The interview that inspired this thread includes a claim by one of the interviewees that BW teams will begin SC2 in April, which neatly coincides with the time the second half of Proleague might be expected to begin.
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'What if SC1 teams start SC2?'
TIG> It's no secret that BW pro teams are getting ready to play SC2. Actually there has be numerous proposals about it. It's almost a fact now that BW pro teams are getting ready to step into the SC2 world. I'm not saying this is going to be a problem. However, we have to think about the current SC2 pro teams first.
Coach Won> I can't talk about the details but it's true that I've received a proposal relating to that.
Nestea> I've also received it. They asked me to introduce some players for them. Some players come from BW background, so they exchange some of the know-hows with them already. It's the same case for me, but I don't really do it seriously. I can't just hand out my strategies that I worked so hard for to these new BW pros. I don't even do that for other current SC2 pros.
That's the part threadstarter is referencing. Just to clear things up a bit more.
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On January 24 2012 08:23 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:19 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 08:17 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:13 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 08:09 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:56 Luepert wrote:On January 24 2012 07:49 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:47 Luepert wrote:
If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed.
As long my precious SC2 players stay in the Sc2 scene and there continues to be GSTL and GSL, I am happy You read wrong. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. "Zergbong, the current best zerg in SC2, has received offers from KeSPA teams as well" Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent" If they are going to try to compete in the sc2 proleague, and maybe in gom events they may need some sc2 players... Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. What do you mean by Kespa team =/= BW team? It's not like he will get an offer by a cartrider team or something lol. And I think Zergbong was a coach for KT for a long time? So it doesn't seem too far stretched that they would give him an offer. Sigh. I can't believe I have to clean this up for you. original poster thought zergbong was going to be taken away from sc II and dragged into bw. my first reply was misconstrued as "Kespa would never want to pick up Zergbong". This is the same assumption you're making. I clarified with 2nd reply: Kespa is an eSports organization that wants to make a sc 2 team supposedly and ergo offered him a position on the sc 2 team. original poster therefore does not need to feel any sadness becuz "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL". But kespa or any bw team would never want to pick up bong to play Brood War. The original assumption of the original poster. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. mkay? He could also refer to the SC2 league that Kespa might run on their own. And you could've just said 'BW teams will never be interested in SC2 players to play BW" and we could've avoided all that confusion ...As opposed to BW teams would never be interested in SC II player...to play SC II? Tha's what your post sounded like. But then again, I think you are misreading the original post. I think he is referring to the fact that he wants Bong to stay in the current SC2 scene and not play SC2 under the supposed Kespa league.
"If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed. "
No. Regardless, that's a far-fetched spin made too late.
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On January 24 2012 08:25 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:18 varint wrote:On January 24 2012 07:57 HaFnium wrote:
At least Midas wont switch.
"It makes it easy for the reader to engage. I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." This is what i have trouble warping my head around. Its takes a special person to become really good at BW, you don't look at the UI and complain that it sucks but you see that it's a real challenge to master the game and dedicate your life to becoming really good at. And then SC2 comes along where almost everything that made BW hard and challenging to play is either missing or has been streamlined. So what I'm wondering is whether the BW pros could just start playing SC2, or like midas would they they turned off by the relatively easiness of the game and decied to do something else, or do they play BW because they like being progamers and they wouldn't have a problem playing SC2 as long it means they could still be progamers? It's something more fundamental. It can only really be summed up as a certain magic that Brood War just exudes. The differences are salient enough to make it incomparable, regardless of the titular-ancestry status. It's just expecting a basketball player to suddenly play golf... Of course, to some, it's all about the monetary, and with the right incentives they'd switch without thought. But I don't think the most dedicated progamers could stand playing SC II, even if they think it's a good game, simply because it's really just not the same And that's something even the viewers and fans can understand - and we don't want it to stop.
Yup, this. I personally think its weird that someone would expect a BW fan to automatically like SC2 just because its made by the same company/has the same name. I would compare it to Warcraft III; definitely a good game that is fun to play, but lacking the magic of Broodwar. BW is truly a miraculous game and I don't think any developer could hope to recreate it intentionally.
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On January 24 2012 08:25 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:20 bearbuddy wrote:On January 24 2012 08:11 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:09 bearbuddy wrote:On January 24 2012 07:59 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 07:55 bearbuddy wrote:
My question is-- why would sponsors that are korean based companies want to transition into a game that is internationally popular but not so much in Korea? I didn't know anything about any company (except for Samsung) before coming to TL. Korean Esports in general has sort of got in a bad spot in the last few years (dropping ratings/teams disbanding/MBC closing etc it's not all caused just by the emergence of SC2). I think they believe that SC2 can sort bring fresh wind to the scene/renew interest. And even if they are mostly korean based companies, foreign money/interest will not hurt. I would think that the companies, who basically make up KeSPA, are in it for advertising their brand, which would be reaching the Korean audience. The supposedly foreigner money would come in terms of consumerism, not sponsorship, assuming that the current teams are the ones making the switch, and that is not possible since most of these companies do not provide services abroad. Not necessarily for the companies, but foreign money from teams or organizations can strengthen the scene. It can provide more korean players with income/potential prize money. Hence my confusion. Most of the BW players are salary based paid by their primary sponsors, i.e. it's not a team name with multiple sponsors each chipping in, it's one giant sponsor that pretty much owns the team and smaller ones on the side. For example, SK Telecom T1 is primarily sponsored by the telecom company, and I'm sure the executives there have the main say in what they wish to do with their team. In comparison, prize winning is rather negligible. So they would be downsizing if they were to make a switch. I know. But imagine a scenario where foreign teams could offer additional opportunities for stuck B-teamers or retired pro gamers.
Oh, so more like double dipping. Heh, that does make much more sense. Seems like I'm just confusing myself by reading posts saying there will be a substantial/complete switch or something. Thanks for clearing that up.
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On January 24 2012 08:07 Dental Floss wrote:
SC2 is a good game, and I've played quite a bit of it, but I think its a good game in the same way that Warcraft III is a good game; its fun to play and watch, but its not so amazing that you can sustain something like proleague with it. I just can't picture myself waking up at 4 in the morning to watch SC2 like I do for BW.
Just feels like everyone is trying to force it to replace BW....
I definitely feel the same way, people just need to realize that Brood War and Starcraft 2 are two completely different games and shouldn't feel like one should take away the other.
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On January 24 2012 08:17 Bd.Snake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
LoL will probably take over both pretty soon. Either way I've grown apathetic to the news tbh, Broodwar is dying, sc2 sucks, I'm just gonna keep playing bw on fish with my clanmates till it dies, then I'll move on. Pretty simple. Just wondering why do you think sc2 sucks?
Sent a PM
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It seems funny that kespa decided to offer low tier sc2 players into joining their team. Zergbong included one of them lol
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On January 24 2012 08:34 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:17 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 24 2012 08:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
LoL will probably take over both pretty soon. Either way I've grown apathetic to the news tbh, Broodwar is dying, sc2 sucks, I'm just gonna keep playing bw on fish with my clanmates till it dies, then I'll move on. Pretty simple. Just wondering why do you think sc2 sucks? Sent a PM
Send me 1 too for reference.
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On January 24 2012 08:34 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:34 Megaliskuu wrote:On January 24 2012 08:17 Bd.Snake wrote:On January 24 2012 08:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
LoL will probably take over both pretty soon. Either way I've grown apathetic to the news tbh, Broodwar is dying, sc2 sucks, I'm just gonna keep playing bw on fish with my clanmates till it dies, then I'll move on. Pretty simple. Just wondering why do you think sc2 sucks? Sent a PM Send me 1 too for reference.
If you could send me one too that would be great.
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On January 24 2012 08:34 jidolboy wrote:
It seems funny that kespa decided to offer low tier sc2 players into joining their team. Zergbong included one of them lol
Nestea is far from low tier...
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On January 24 2012 08:34 jidolboy wrote:
It seems funny that kespa decided to offer low tier sc2 players into joining their team. Zergbong included one of them lol
They obviously want them to build their SC2 devision (why else?). And Nestea is arguably the second most sucessful SC2 player.
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On January 24 2012 07:36 zimp wrote:
let me summarize even more.
"it's probable only a few practice partners, B teamers, and fading stars will switch"
You're summarising the entire article on a sentence not even translated from the article 
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On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra.
If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong.
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