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On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong.
BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well?
Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun.
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cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2!
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On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2!
Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see.
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On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun.
Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware?
The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT?
There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period.
On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see.
XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening.
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I don't think a switch would help viewership at all. If anything it will be similar to when a long running popular TV show is killed to make room for a spin off with more popular appeal. Fans of the original show desert because of changes, few new fans appear and the whole thing falls apart. SC2 Kespa leagues would not last more than two years without drastically changing there business model. If LoL fails to take off it could even mean the end of OGN.
I also think that FXOBoss article from a while ago was full of shit. He tried to cover his ass by claiming, coveniently at the time of the Rekrul/Coach Lee debacle, that players who were going to switch were joining TSL but that was now unlikely.
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I wrote, deleted, rewrote, redeleted and wrote again this post again trying to keep it as little SC2 bashing as possible.
For me, SC2 is horrible. It is a really good game if you compare to CnC and it is fun to play casually, but for someone who has been playing BW, watching competitive SC2 is awful, disgusting and I found myself facepalming at each new feature they added/removed from the game. It is enraging.
But it is ok. I just stopped playing it, stopped following it and forgot about it, except the fact that I flushed US$60 down the toilet. I still have BW to play and to watch and everything is kind of okay, even if they ADD SC2 to Proleague its okay, I might even check a game someday to see if I change my mind.
Now, if KeSPA slowly replace BW with SC2 then its just over. In my eyes, the era of the competitive eSports sinks with BW.
We then will be hostages of Browder's 'creative mind'.
gg
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On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening.
I'm willing to guess that higher-classed computers would also make the progamers' lives easier too since they could play games, make movies, or whatever much easier. (I just made up the part about movie-making).
With regards to XellOs, I think that he's proving the fact that there's a place for you after progaming's over to some of the younger pros. Dunno if that'll change things, but it'll certainly improve the life outlook on some of the more mature gamers.
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On January 24 2012 09:01 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening. I'm willing to guess that higher-classed computers would also make the progamers' lives easier too since they could play games, make movies, or whatever much easier. (I just made up the part about movie-making). With regards to XellOs, I think that he's proving the fact that there's a place for you after progaming's over to some of the younger pros. Dunno if that'll change things, but it'll certainly improve the life outlook on some of the more mature gamers.
Yes, but the equipment is given out to the gamers for gaming purposes only. Sure they play some other games and use internet, but some players have their own personal laptop that they use. Plus it's not like they know how to make movies (since most of them only know how to play computer games, not the computer itself [i.e. Nal_rA had problems wiring the computer with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.] I know you made it up, but just pointing out that some players do not know how to use other applications on computer.)
XellOs is just lucky. WeMade FOX players were guaranteed a position in the company WeMade after they retired from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong here).
Well, that certainly happened.
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On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening.
Yes I do think that. LCDs having input delay or lag is an issue from like 1990 when LCD technology was relatively new. These issues no longer exist and there is basically no reason to keep using CRTs. If a house was going to get equipment there is literally no reason to not get 19 or 22" widescreen LCDs because these days they'd actually be less expensive than getting a new CRT.
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On January 24 2012 09:04 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening. I'm willing to guess that higher-classed computers would also make the progamers' lives easier too since they could play games, make movies, or whatever much easier. (I just made up the part about movie-making). With regards to XellOs, I think that he's proving the fact that there's a place for you after progaming's over to some of the younger pros. Dunno if that'll change things, but it'll certainly improve the life outlook on some of the more mature gamers. Yes, but the equipment is given out to the gamers for gaming purposes only. Sure they play some other games and use internet, but some players have their own personal laptop that they use. Plus it's not like they know how to make movies (since most of them only know how to play computer games, not the computer itself [i.e. Nal_rA had problems wiring the computer with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.] I know you made it up, but just pointing out that some players do not know how to use other applications on computer.) XellOs is just lucky. WeMade FOX players were guaranteed a position in the company WeMade after they retired from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong here). Well, that certainly happened.
Point taken about the equipment but I'm still willing to blindly convince myself that they serve another purpose. That or they just bulk-bought new machines for the... sake of buying new machines? (can't read minds).
With regards to WMF, I believe that it was in the, "The Hax Life," documentary where the manager let us know that they hoped that the retiring gamers would work for them, so I believe that you're correct in that.
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As long as i don't have to watch Starcraft's sequel games during PL, its fine.
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On January 24 2012 09:05 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening. Yes I do think that. LCDs having input delay or lag is an issue from like 1990 when LCD technology was relatively new. These issues no longer exist and there is basically no reason to keep using CRTs. If a house was going to get equipment there is literally no reason to not get 19 or 22" widescreen LCDs because these days they'd actually be less expensive than getting a new CRT.
They don't need a new CRT because they had working CRTs, and they didn't need a new computer because they had computers that ran BW without lag.
Honestly, I don't know if you missed the 'KeSPA discussing about SC2 and proleague' back in November or something, but it was a possible option to KeSPA as they were discussing the proleague format for the upcoming year, and that's when all the BW/SC2 news started coming out, including Hydra's twitter profile https://twitter.com/#!/dongwon8247
On January 24 2012 09:07 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 09:04 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 09:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening. I'm willing to guess that higher-classed computers would also make the progamers' lives easier too since they could play games, make movies, or whatever much easier. (I just made up the part about movie-making). With regards to XellOs, I think that he's proving the fact that there's a place for you after progaming's over to some of the younger pros. Dunno if that'll change things, but it'll certainly improve the life outlook on some of the more mature gamers. Yes, but the equipment is given out to the gamers for gaming purposes only. Sure they play some other games and use internet, but some players have their own personal laptop that they use. Plus it's not like they know how to make movies (since most of them only know how to play computer games, not the computer itself [i.e. Nal_rA had problems wiring the computer with monitor, keyboard, mouse etc.] I know you made it up, but just pointing out that some players do not know how to use other applications on computer.) XellOs is just lucky. WeMade FOX players were guaranteed a position in the company WeMade after they retired from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong here). Well, that certainly happened. Point taken about the equipment but I'm still willing to blindly convince myself that they serve another purpose. That or they just bulk-bought new machines for the... sake of buying new machines? (can't read minds). With regards to WMF, I believe that it was in the, "The Hax Life," documentary where the manager let us know that they hoped that the retiring gamers would work for them, so I believe that you're correct in that.
Given their current situation, if I were in charge I would try to save every penny possible.
But I think equipment change happened because KeSPA told them something. Probably they told the teams that they're using a new hardware and new monitors, which forced these teams to get new equipment. The real question, however, is this: CRTs and old computers worked fine, and they already have LCD monitors and newer computers for other games that they run in OGN studio, so why change them all of sudden?
I'm not saying that SC2 is coming, but at this rate don't get surprised if it gets involved with KeSPA sometime in the near future.
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On January 24 2012 09:01 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:58 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:54 Dental Floss wrote:On January 24 2012 08:50 supernovamaniac wrote:On January 24 2012 08:25 shaftofpleasure wrote:
As for BW players practicing SC2, that would either mean, these BW players will switch because they really suck and have nothing much left to look forward to in BW Proscene. All these rumors about switching seems pretty far-fetched since people can view the personal SC2 accounts of BW progamers like what 'Ideas' said. This FXO guy needs to back up his claims or just keep quiet if he just have little idea. I would take any statement from non-Kespa affiliated person with a grain of salt since this all seems B.S. to me.
And yet BW players played some Starcraft 2 offseason before new proleague got announced, including Hydra. If you're going to take rumors as facts, then just wait until the news springs up. Until something happens, rumors are rumors. It might be right, it might be wrong. BW teams are notorious for playing Soccer on their free time and even organize soccer matches against each other. Do you also think that they are looking to break into that sport as well? Of course they play SC2 on their free-time. They probably play all kinds of games for fun. Do you think a gaming team would change all of their equipment out of sudden, when everyone clearly argues that CRT looks better, and BW doesn't need extra hardware? The fact that proleague at the moment is using widescreen LCD monitors and upgraded computers instead of CRT? There were rumors of KeSPA doing SC2, and those are the 'left-overs' from those rumors. Of course they don't play SC2 right now cause BW is the only thing that matters at the moment. The fact that almost every progamers tried it in certain period of time (go find that sc2 thread with pictures if you want) is undeniable however, along with the equipment change in the similar period. On January 24 2012 08:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2! Assuming they'll do it. You never know. AnyTime sure as hell didn't pick it up when he retired. XellOs isn't playing yet either. We'll see. We'll see. XellOs has job position in CJ at the moment. Unless he wants to take a risk and try earning more money instead of his regular salary, then it ain't happening. I'm willing to guess that higher-classed computers would also make the progamers' lives easier too since they could play games, make movies, or whatever much easier. (I just made up the part about movie-making). With regards to XellOs, I think that he's proving the fact that there's a place for you after progaming's over to some of the younger pros. Dunno if that'll change things, but it'll certainly improve the life outlook on some of the more mature gamers.
Don't forget that OGN has just started a LoL league, it could just be equipment standardization. I read that Samsung tested out some other game for a couple of days, does that mean that they are switching, of course not. I am also sure that most of the pros have accounts from back in the SC2 beta.
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Lots of people in denial, just accept it brahs, no telling when its gonna happen, but it will be soon (TM). I don't like it, but thats just the way it is.
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Well this wasnt as bad as I thought when I first started reading the thread.
edit: post above mine just made me plain sad 
edit edit: the one below mine makes me even sadder T-T
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I'm gone if BW goes. I have no interest in SC2.
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On January 24 2012 09:01 fabiano wrote:
I wrote, deleted, rewrote, redeleted and wrote again this post again trying to keep it as little SC2 bashing as possible.
For me, SC2 is horrible. It is a really good game if you compare to CnC and it is fun to play casually, but for someone who has been playing BW, watching competitive SC2 is awful, disgusting and I found myself facepalming at each new feature they added/removed from the game. It is enraging.
But it is ok. I just stopped playing it, stopped following it and forgot about it, except the fact that I flushed US$60 down the toilet. I still have BW to play and to watch and everything is kind of okay, even if they ADD SC2 to Proleague its okay, I might even check a game someday to see if I change my mind.
Now, if KeSPA slowly replace BW with SC2 then its just over. In my eyes, the era of the competitive eSports sinks with BW.
We then will be hostages of Browder's 'creative mind'.
gg
And still you couldn't help yourself, huh.
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I hope there won't be a mass influx of BW players coming over to SC2.
I like watching BW because it is a really polished game that developed during 10 years and now every player has to be so sharp to be able to compete. It amazes me seeing how much every little thing Flash does is so well thought.
I also like watching SC2 because it is a new game that is still having major innovations in strategy because the game is not as mapped out as BW is.(and no, I'm not saying BW is totally mapped out).
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I just hope both the games can live together, why does one have to die? And a lot of people actually prefer bw to sc2, so it makes no sense to outright kill bw.
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On January 24 2012 08:13 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 08:09 Woony wrote:On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:56 Luepert wrote:On January 24 2012 07:49 Taekwon wrote:On January 24 2012 07:47 Luepert wrote:
If Nestea (zergbong) leaves IM for a BW team I'm gunna be so friggin pissed.
As long my precious SC2 players stay in the Sc2 scene and there continues to be GSTL and GSL, I am happy You read wrong. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. "Zergbong, the current best zerg in SC2, has received offers from KeSPA teams as well" Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent" If they are going to try to compete in the sc2 proleague, and maybe in gom events they may need some sc2 players... Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. What do you mean by Kespa team =/= BW team? It's not like he will get an offer by a cartrider team or something lol. And I think Zergbong was a coach for KT for a long time? So it doesn't seem too far stretched that they would give him an offer. Sigh. I can't believe I have to clean this up for you. original poster thought zergbong was going to be taken away from sc II and dragged into bw. my first reply was misconstrued as "Kespa would never want to pick up Zergbong". This is the same assumption you're making. I clarified with 2nd reply: Kespa is an eSports organization that wants to make a sc 2 team supposedly and ergo offered him a position on the sc 2 team. original poster therefore does not need to feel any sadness becuz "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL". But kespa or any bw team would never want to pick up bong to play Brood War. The original assumption of the original poster. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. mkay?
I may be mistaken but my original impression of the situation was that BW teams (I thought they were kespa teams, still not 100% sure the distinction) were going to be fielding sc2 teams in addition to their BW squads. I was under the impression that some of these team were already practicing s2 and were planning on picking up some low tier players to augment their sc2 squads. When I read the thing about ZergBong I though they meant they would recruit to one of the Kespa team (I thought those were too 8 current brood war teams) to be part of their sc2 squad, NOT to play broodwar, to play sc2. You comment, "B team would never be interested in SC II players" didn't make sense to me because I was and still am under the impression that the team we now consider "BW team" will also start playing sc2, thus those teams would be interested in sc2. My issue with ZergBong leaving IM to a Kespa team is that I am an incredible Miracle fanboy and would hate to see them lose their best zerg. Feel free to correct me on anything, I'm really confused.
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According to FXOBoss (owner of the SC2 Team FXO), several A-teamers are practicing SC2 for a switch in February.
My prediction: There will be a KeSPA SC2 league and a KeSPA BW league at the same time, at least for a while. Both leagues will be composed of the current 8 BW teams. Tippy-top players like TLBS will continue to play BW. The SC2 side will be B-teamers, A-teamer who are in the "Any BW A-teamer can dominate SC2 and make mad dollahs" camps, and B-teamers on the current SC2 teams in which the BW teams see potential. Most current korean SC2 teams will die, meaning that fans of both games will have reason to be unhappy. (Flash's salary is more than SlayerS' entire budget, and SlayerS is the richest team).
The expectation is that BW A-teamers will play SC2 at a higher level and make the game more entertaining. There's been some of that with ForGG. We'll see.
I'm wondering how the upcoming OSL fits in to all this, though.
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