EPTBW rumors from an SC2 topic. - Page 2
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rift
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Ideas
United States8088 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:54 Woony wrote: They all recently got new equipment. Lots of people with inside knowledge (HuK, FXOboss come into my mind at this moment I think) have hinted at this. I am not saying that every player will soon switch over but at this point pretty much every team has some players playing SC2 full time. (obviously only the ones who want/B teamers etc) i know there was a thread back in the fall about a bunch of pro BW players that had SC2 accounts. in korea you have to have your SSN and real name tied to your SC2 account I believe so all these accounts were verified. so if you really want good evidence that bw pros are actually just practicing sc2 all the time, why don't we look at these accounts again and see if they've been active at all for the last 3 months? until then this is all just weird rumors based off of old stories. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:01 rift wrote: The domestic audience has little interest in the game. I could see them going back to BW after a one season trial. Have you got recent BC bang numbers? I think SC2 wasn't too far behind SCBW last time I checked. Either way, both are loosing to MMO/mobas (young kids are playing those over SC2/BW). A split scene is the last thing anyone (even Kespa) wants. And I know that BC bang numbers are not equal to viewership but I think that a) they're the most accurate numbers you can get and b) in the long run the number of players will also influence the viewership. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:56 Luepert wrote: "Zergbong, the current best zerg in SC2, has received offers from KeSPA teams as well" Zergbong mentions that KeSPA teams are interested in the lowest rung of sc2 talent" If they are going to try to compete in the sc2 proleague, and maybe in gom events they may need some sc2 players... Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
Just feels like everyone is trying to force it to replace BW.... | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote: Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. What do you mean by Kespa team =/= BW team? It's not like he will get an offer by a cartrider team or something lol. And I think Zergbong was a coach for KT for a long time? So it doesn't seem too far stretched that they would give him an offer. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:59 Woony wrote: Korean Esports in general has sort of got in a bad spot in the last few years (dropping ratings/teams disbanding/MBC closing etc it's not all caused just by the emergence of SC2). I think they believe that SC2 can sort bring fresh wind to the scene/renew interest. And even if they are mostly korean based companies, foreign money/interest will not hurt. I would think that the companies, who basically make up KeSPA, are in it for advertising their brand, which would be reaching the Korean audience. The supposedly foreigner money would come in terms of consumerism, not sponsorship, assuming that the current teams are the ones making the switch, and that is not possible since most of these companies do not provide services abroad. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:05 Taekwon wrote: Kespa team =/= BW team. Your "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL" BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. I'm pretty sure KeSPA teams are BW proteams. What other teams does KeSPA have? Rather than just stating something, you should maybe explain it too because currently what you are saying doesn't make sense. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:09 bearbuddy wrote: I would think that the companies, who basically make up KeSPA, are in it for advertising their brand, which would be reaching the Korean audience. The supposedly foreigner money would come in terms of consumerism, not sponsorship, assuming that the current teams are the ones making the switch, and that is not possible since most of these companies do not provide services abroad. Not necessarily for the companies, but foreign money from teams or organizations can strengthen the scene. It can provide more korean players with income/potential prize money. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:09 Woony wrote: What do you mean by Kespa team =/= BW team? It's not like he will get an offer by a cartrider team or something lol. And I think Zergbong was a coach for KT for a long time? So it doesn't seem too far stretched that they would give him an offer. Sigh. I can't believe I have to clean this up for you. original poster thought zergbong was going to be taken away from sc II and dragged into bw. my first reply was misconstrued as "Kespa would never want to pick up Zergbong". This is the same assumption you're making. I clarified with 2nd reply: Kespa is an eSports organization that wants to make a sc 2 team supposedly and ergo offered him a position on the sc 2 team. original poster therefore does not need to feel any sadness becuz "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL". But kespa or any bw team would never want to pick up bong to play Brood War. The original assumption of the original poster. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. mkay? | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:57 HyperionDreamer wrote: Wait, what? When was this announced???? It wasn't, which is why I used the word "claim." | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:11 eXigent. wrote: I'm pretty sure KeSPA teams are BW proteams. What other teams does KeSPA have? Rather than just stating something, you should maybe explain it too because currently what you are saying doesn't make sense. KeSPA regulates all esports in korea. This includes a large number of games and teams. While all BW teams are regulated by KeSPA, not all KeSPA teams play BW. Currently SC2 is not managed by KeSPA in the same way Kart-Rider or Counter-Strike are. So basically when you hear that KeSPA is going to pick-up SC2 it doesn't mean that KT Rolster is going to be playing SC2 in the same way that it doesn't mean some random Fifa 2012 Kespa team is going to start playing SC2. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:13 Taekwon wrote: Sigh. I can't believe I have to clean this up for you. original poster thought zergbong was going to be taken away from sc II and dragged into bw. my first reply was misconstrued as "Kespa would never want to pick up Zergbong". This is the same assumption you're making. I clarified with 2nd reply: Kespa is an eSports organization that wants to make a sc 2 team supposedly and ergo offered him a position on the sc 2 team. original poster therefore does not need to feel any sadness becuz "precious SC2 players [will] stay in the Sc2 scene and there [will] be GSTL and GSL". But kespa or any bw team would never want to pick up bong to play Brood War. The original assumption of the original poster. BW teams would never be interested in SC II players. mkay? He could also refer to the SC2 league that Kespa might run on their own. And you could've just said 'BW teams will never be interested in SC2 players to play BW" and we could've avoided all that confusion  | ||
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Bd.Snake
Australia163 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:14 Megaliskuu wrote: LoL will probably take over both pretty soon. Either way I've grown apathetic to the news tbh, Broodwar is dying, sc2 sucks, I'm just gonna keep playing bw on fish with my clanmates till it dies, then I'll move on. Pretty simple. Just wondering why do you think sc2 sucks? | ||
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varint
Canada87 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:57 HaFnium wrote: At least Midas wont switch. "It makes it easy for the reader to engage. I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." This is what i have trouble warping my head around. Its takes a special person to become really good at BW, you don't look at the UI and complain that it sucks but you see that it's a real challenge to master the game and dedicate your life to becoming really good at. And then SC2 comes along where almost everything that made BW hard and challenging to play is either missing or has been streamlined. So what I'm wondering is whether the BW pros could just start playing SC2, or like midas would they they turned off by the relatively easiness of the game and decied to do something else, or do they play BW because they like being progamers and they wouldn't have a problem playing SC2 as long it means they could still be progamers? | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:17 Woony wrote: He could also refer to the SC2 league that Kespa might run on their own. And you could've just said 'BW teams will never be interested in SC2 players to play BW" and we could've avoided all that confusion ...As opposed to BW teams would never be interested in SC II player...to play SC II? No, a soccer team usually would not pick up a tennis player for the official roster to play tennis. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:11 eXigent. wrote: I'm pretty sure KeSPA teams are BW proteams. What other teams does KeSPA have? Rather than just stating something, you should maybe explain it too because currently what you are saying doesn't make sense. there are some special forces teams that don't have bw teams (archer, aika). It wouldn't cost much to slap together non-code A koreans in a little teamhouse in preparation for a kespa league (whether true or not, I imagine some korean youths, like 17-19 year olds, could be drawn into the appeal of joining a kespa team). Then of course there is the obvious bw kespa teams that could invest into cheap talent. It's still taking with a grain of salt. Look at how KT players just retired after not getting playtime (anyppi in particular said he could try out sc2). If the KT house thought kespa was going to start sc2 as soon as april, maybe someone like anyppi would have just stayed with KT. EDIT: also, can someone (possibly korean) accurately describe OGN's broadcasting schedule? If a LoL broadcast is starting up, I could easily see regular PL continuing and a small sc2 broadcast starting with a kespa sanctioned league (heck, they already broadcasted wcg, but that was in PL layover iirc). | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:11 Woony wrote: Not necessarily for the companies, but foreign money from teams or organizations can strengthen the scene. It can provide more korean players with income/potential prize money. Hence my confusion. Most of the BW players are salary based paid by their primary sponsors, i.e. it's not a team name with multiple sponsors each chipping in, it's one giant sponsor that pretty much owns the team and smaller ones on the side. For example, SK Telecom T1 is primarily sponsored by the telecom company, and I'm sure the executives there have the main say in what they wish to do with their team. In comparison, prize winning is rather negligible. So they would be downsizing if they were to make a switch. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:14 gngfn wrote: It wasn't, which is why I used the word "claim." OK, but has there been any sort of evidence, or pseudo-announcement, or anything to support this at all? I could never ever see Kespa actually sanctioning this, which is why I'm so perplexed. Where did the claim come from, is what I'm asking? | ||
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