EPTOn January 24 2012 08:55 Kaien wrote:
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2!
cant wait till flash, jeadong and bisu switch to sc2!
i can wait forever for that.
BW rumors from an SC2 topic. - Page 5
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
i can wait forever for that. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:19 Ribbon wrote: According to FXOBoss (owner of the SC2 Team FXO), several A-teamers are practicing SC2 for a switch in February. True/false aside, this is the worse timing to start a new league based on proleague schedule. Also, what really questions me is that 3 B-Teamers from KT quit recently, while they could have gone for SC2 if this was indeed happening so soon. This only implies that the switch is probably going to be low tiered A-Teamers switching completely to SC2, leaving their own team, IF the rumor is true. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:23 supernovamaniac wrote: True/false aside, this is the worse timing to start a new league based on proleague schedule. Also, what really questions me is that 3 B-Teamers from KT quit recently, while they could have gone for SC2 if this was indeed happening so soon. Thought anyppi was considering it? | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
I just edited my thread, but those three leaving means that KeSPA won't get involved with SC2 in Feb at the earliest, because there's no reason for person like anyppi leaving KT if the switch was happening so soon. On January 24 2012 09:26 JMave wrote: in all honesty, i think moving to sc2 is not a bad idea. as much as i love bw, we cannot deny that it is on the decline. let's face it. they are pro-gamers to make a living for themselves and their families so why not go to where the money is. In Korea, BW has more money than SC2. More edits: Let me elaborate on that. BW players have solid salary coming from major Korean corporations based on their rank and past performance, and they can live off their salary + incentive + OSL wins and whatsoever. SC2, on the other hand, does not have as much money funded by their sponsors, and the salary, if there is one, is really low. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
You will. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:27 supernovamaniac wrote: In Korea, BW has more money than SC2. More edits: Let me elaborate on that. BW players have solid salary coming from major Korean corporations based on their rank and past performance, and they can live off their salary + incentive + OSL wins and whatsoever. SC2, on the other hand, does not have as much money funded by their sponsors, and the salary, if there is one, is really low. Is there any indication that sponsors are going to pull funding and disband their teams if Kespa does switch to SC2? (legit question) It's just that I see things being the same if PL does make a full switch. When I say the same, I mean that the teams are still sponsored and they still get the salaries + incentives, and also whatever individual leagues exists at that point. So if BW disappears, everything would just shift towards SC2? This is all "if" there is a full switch happening, just curious. On January 24 2012 09:12 Lightwip wrote: I'm gone if BW goes. I have no interest in SC2. I understand how you feel, I'm in the same boat. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:26 JMave wrote: in all honesty, i think moving to sc2 is not a bad idea. as much as i love bw, we cannot deny that it is on the decline. let's face it. they are pro-gamers to make a living for themselves and their families so why not go to where the money is. then they should go play LoL or Dota 2 | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:26 JMave wrote: in all honesty, i think moving to sc2 is not a bad idea. as much as i love bw, we cannot deny that it is on the decline. let's face it. they are pro-gamers to make a living for themselves and their families so why not go to where the money is. cause it's just not a very good game.... I don't really want to watch protoss 1a their way into the starcraft 2 equivalent of code s, I want to watch jangbi storms, flash macro, and JvZ! The difficulty of playing brood war just makes watching the pros intrinsically more entertaining... As I write this I'm watching topstar stream (he advertises himself as being A- iccup), and the level of micro he possesses is infinitely better than what I see on professional sc2 streams. And he's nowhere even in the same universe as the pro korean players. I understand that pragmatically, the switch will inevitably happen after a while (i said this back on page 1 somewhere), but a lot of people just don't want it to, including myself. Yeah, I've switched over to pretty much playing sc2 entirely, since I was admittedly horse shit bad at brood war, D level every season, but the proscene is just not very interesting compared to bw, and I can't remember the last time I actually watched a pro sc2 tournament, whereas I regularly wake up at 3 am to watch proleague. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:23 supernovamaniac wrote: True/false aside, this is the worse timing to start a new league based on proleague schedule. Also, what really questions me is that 3 B-Teamers from KT quit recently, while they could have gone for SC2 if this was indeed happening so soon. This only implies that the switch is probably going to be low tiered A-Teamers switching completely to SC2, leaving their own team, IF the rumor is true. Apparently, FXOBoss hinted that the hinted BW players were going to join TSL, so they're probably leftovers from the disbanded teams. @FXOpeneSports FXOpen e-Sports Am a bit sad. The mentioned players in my blog from BW were going to join TSL....  20 Jan via web http://twitter.com/#!/FXOpeneSports/status/160244968387129344 | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:00 Hyde wrote: Is there any indication that sponsors are going to pull funding and disband their teams if Kespa does switch to SC2? (legit question) It's just that I see things being the same if PL does make a full switch. When I say the same, I mean that the teams are still sponsored and they still get the salaries + incentives, and also whatever individual leagues exists at that point. So if BW disappears, everything would just shift towards SC2? This is all "if" there is a full switch happening, just curious. I understand how you feel, I'm in the same boat. BW dies, and I might stop going on TL as often as I do altogether. I'm sorry to say this, but BW's the only reason I'm really still on TL at all. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:12 Lightwip wrote: I'm gone if BW goes. I have no interest in SC2. yeah same. Even if KT and Baby start playing SC2 I won't be watching | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
By the way - does anyone read KR and can tell this thread what Hydra is tweeting back and forth with sc2 pros Puma and JYP? | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:10 IntoTheheart wrote: BW dies, and I might stop going on TL as often as I do altogether. I'm sorry to say this, but BW's the only reason I'm really still on TL at all. unfortunately we are a dying breed and the minority. | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
But it makes me angry how most ppl just seems to assume SC2 would take over after BW, especially KESPA, since they made the BW scene. SC2 is just another game. Whether it's better or worse than BW is irrelevant. Just keep the scenes seperate. I think it would make a lot more sense to have both scenes run along together until one of them dies from natural causes, and I hope that this is the stance KESPA have taken, and that they are on the verge of investing into SC2 mainly to secure their future. Although the BW scene has fallen recently, I think it has very little to do with the fans leaving the game. I joined the scene a bit before SC2 and I haven't noticed any difference in attendance. The only problems in the BW scene have been involved with KESPA and sponsors. The fans stayed, but the men in suits got nervous because of the threat of SC2, which is understandable. I do however think that there is hope of a financial resurgence. With the fans sticking to BW, KESPA, the current and potential sponsors will see that we are still into the game, and then they will stop being so paranoid about their investments. Finding a sponsor for T8 will be crucial. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:00 Hyde wrote: Is there any indication that sponsors are going to pull funding and disband their teams if Kespa does switch to SC2? (legit question) It's just that I see things being the same if PL does make a full switch. When I say the same, I mean that the teams are still sponsored and they still get the salaries + incentives, and also whatever individual leagues exists at that point. So if BW disappears, everything would just shift towards SC2? This is all "if" there is a full switch happening, just curious. I understand how you feel, I'm in the same boat. If the 'full' switch happens, then it will be KeSPA teams in SC2. Remember that KeSPA was first and is still organized by corporations that sponsor the league. Well, not the corporations themselves but a representative.... or something along that line. So if KeSPA decides to move on, then it means that corporations are willing to move-on completely. Then again, I might be completely wrong because I don't have completely knowledge, nor is part of any Korean e-sports/KeSPA media. I might be able to ask around, but at this moment I don't want to start asking random questions based on rumors. On January 24 2012 10:12 HyperionDreamer wrote: https://twitter.com/#!/dongwon8247/status/146091552362610689 By the way - does anyone read KR and can tell this thread what Hydra is tweeting back and forth with sc2 pros Puma and JYP? Friendly talk. If there were any talks of BW/SC2 among these players, then I'm sure someone at SC2 board will over-hype the tweets and make it seem like BW players are switching to SC2 soon. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:13 DyEnasTy wrote: unfortunately we are a dying breed and the minority. Even still, I think that there's something to be said about the fact that we still support BW even though other RTS games have come out and tried to dethrone it. Remember WC3? I barely do. Warhammer RTS (can we even call them that..?)? Not a huge eSport (fun fun fun fun fun. Don't get me wrong, fans), is it? Remember that those of us who really care about BW will be gone, but at least TL can focus on eSports with or without us, and I think that's important. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:20 IntoTheheart wrote: Even still, I think that there's something to be said about the fact that we still support BW even though other RTS games have come out and tried to dethrone it. Remember WC3? I barely do. Warhammer RTS (can we even call them that..?)? Not a huge eSport (fun fun fun fun fun. Don't get me wrong, fans), is it? Remember that those of us who really care about BW will be gone, but at least TL can focus on eSports with or without us, and I think that's important. Then again, Blizzard tried to shove eSports down everyone's throat once SC2 came out, instead of letting the community grow first. Most games, on the other hand, had solid foundations before it began. Blizzard thought that BW was its solid foundation, and for most parts, they were right. Their other solid foundation was Korean scene, and well, they butchered that quite badly. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
Like the meme thread says, switch over to SCII, force everyone to swithc back to BW :p | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:22 supernovamaniac wrote: Then again, Blizzard tried to shove eSports down everyone's throat once SC2 came out, instead of letting the community grow first. I'm willing to believe ('cuz I'm deluded like that) that it was more of Blizzard (like you're saying) rather than the game itself. Making a game? Fine. Putting effort into making a game which has a very famous first installment? Faaaair enough. But designing the game so that it can try to support world-class entertainment right off the bat? Seems a little pretentious, or is it just me? | ||
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