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dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 02:25:57
January 24 2012 02:22 GMT
#121
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 20 and when she's 35. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
January 24 2012 02:25 GMT
#122
On January 24 2012 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:03 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:57 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:47 Taekwon wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:41 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:40 supernovamaniac wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:37 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:35 supernovamaniac wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:26 supernovamaniac wrote:

I did edit the first post so there's the non-game perspective, but essentially that's how I felt the game was made. Right off the bat they were talking about tournaments of this 'great and upcoming sequel to the greatest eSports title of our time, BW' rather than reinventing the game itself. As soon as it came out, there were updates to balance the game a little more, while adding pretty much nothing to the singleplayer experience.


If anything, ex-MBCHero



Out of curiosity, do you feel that games need to be able to stand on their singleplayer? I certainly do (but then again, I'm really focused on singleplayer in general).


In my honest opinion, the singleplayer aspect of any given game should be as good as the multiplayer experience, as long as the game both supports singleplayer and multiplayer.

In recent times, the development of Internet just boomed the multiplayer scene, and that's why we have everyone bitching about the balance online or how some gun is overpowered as soon as the game gets released. It feels like noone plays the singleplayers anymore. I, on one hand, enjoyed the MW3 singleplayer and play the multiplayer whenever I want to play some mindless shooting games. On the other hand, I quit SC2 singleplayer campaign after playing about 6~7 of them because it felt too dull and repetitive (this is, of course, without the balance/UI issues).


My other issue with the SC2 campaign were the characters. Extremely one-dimensional and uninspiring (except for Zeratul and Findley). The Deus Ex Machina which was the Artifact robbed Blizzard of any way to make the character of Raynor expand. I mean, the box blurb told me more about him than the game itself. Is that sad? I think so.

Pretty much. Everything was shallow and really easy to follow. To be honest, they probably wanted to make more money off the franchise through eSports, so they made the new game. Then again, I might be the only one hating on the shallowness of SC2 singleplayer storyline and character development.


Biggest disappointment? Mine was the artifact just HAPPENING TO BE AWESOME. That just killed it right there. Tassadar's ghost-thing also annoyed me. I spend days when I first beat the campaign finding a way to take it out and now Blizzard slaps me in the face. D-, Blizzard.


I don't know anything about SC II but did you just say Tassadar's ghost?!


I wish I was kidding. I almost cried. Ready to kill.



Is it bad to say I only bought SC2 originally for the story, having not watched a game of BW for six years?


I can't insult you since I wanted it for the same reason.


BW had a much better story, but the actual levels were boring and kind of same-y. SC2 had a nice variety of levels, but the story was sub-fanfiction
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 24 2012 02:25 GMT
#123
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
January 24 2012 02:28 GMT
#124
Sigh.

No LAN? Right... and you wanted to be taken seriously as an e-Sport?

Clumped units?

Magic casting?

Small maps?

No defender's advantage?

I could deal with MBS and unlimited unit selection (because the latter simply means the inferior players can move around their army a little better - but you still have to use all the hotkeys if you want to engage properly), but the rest? Ugh.

As much as I like playing SC2, and like watching SC2, to see my BW heroes play that game would be the death of me. Hope no one above the level of MVP/ForGG/Hyun switches right off the bat.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
January 24 2012 02:30 GMT
#125
On January 24 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....

I know it's pretty bad, but I think the point come across pretty clear. Most people are shallow and will overlook BW amazing gameplay because ultimately SC2 looks more "modern".
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
January 24 2012 02:31 GMT
#126
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 20 and when she's 35. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


Mkay...so with the 20 year old women, you lay down and alot happens automaticly....on the other hand with the 35 year old women you have to do this and this and this and this and this aaaand you have to be really fast to have a satisifying result

ps: yes i know in sc2 you have to be fast too, but this way its more funny :p
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
January 24 2012 02:34 GMT
#127
On January 24 2012 10:54 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I've been following SC and stalking TL since around 2006, so while I'm not an old guard like some of you guys and I am a fan of both BW and SC2, please don't disregard my comment. I think it's a natural progression that the BW teams eventually switch to SC2. I expected it to happen in 2 years, but they seem to really be hustling things. Kespa apparently sees it's the right time to go with what's new, so, so be it. Starcraft is Starcraft to me. In any case, I'll be happy to see Taek Yong kick ass in SC2 .

Show nested quote +
In Korea, BW has more money than SC2.

Is is necessary to say this? BW is practically a national sport there, probably the most popular after soccer and.. what else? Of course it has more money than SC2 in Korea, which is very, very tiny in comparison. I thought this was common knowledge :S.


The original statement that I saw was: "in all honesty, i think moving to sc2 is not a bad idea. as much as i love bw, we cannot deny that it is on the decline. let's face it. they are pro-gamers to make a living for themselves and their families so why not go to where the money is." and I wrote that in response.

GOING BACK TO ORIGINAL STATEMENT WITH FXOBoss, I'm assuming those were A-teamers from MBC game. It doesn't make sense for players to go to TSL unless they were already in contact with the coach of TSL (former coach of MBC). Now, given the recent situation, seems like those players backed off.
ppp
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 24 2012 02:36 GMT
#128
On January 24 2012 11:30 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....

I know it's pretty bad, but I think the point come across pretty clear. Most people are shallow and will overlook BW amazing gameplay because ultimately SC2 looks more "modern".


I don't understand how people can even see what the heck goes on in that game.
BW is the clean, modest lady who doesn't seek wealth, is knowledgeable, and understands life.

SC II is a gloat, obsessed with pop culture, has no clue what to do with her future, and ostentatious - covered in 1012382 jewels and colorful crap that you can't even discern anything about her.

.-.
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 02:43:38
January 24 2012 02:41 GMT
#129
If you think about the 3 KT rookies who retired from the BW Scene and all the rumors about Kespa Teams switching over to BW. It doesn't make sense. I remember 1 KT announced that he will try SC2 so I if there was really plans for switching then that KT rookie wouldn't have retired. I think that FXO is just over-hyping that player who 'switched'. I think that player isn't really an A-Teamer. I don't think any of the recent retirees or players with no team, aside from Anyppi & Hiya, told about their interest to switch to SC2.

BUT, If I remembered correctly, Hiya himself told his audience in his stream that the BW scene will be switching.

anyways, I still think FXO owner is just over-hyping and the upgrade in equipment was just not only for SC2.There must be some other reasons why they upgraded their equipment because switching to SC2 while in the middle of the league is just illogical.

+ Show Spoiler +
But meh ... I don't think I made sense with this post.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 02:46:08
January 24 2012 02:44 GMT
#130
On January 24 2012 11:31 greenelve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 20 and when she's 35. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


Mkay...so with the 20 year old women, you lay down and alot happens automaticly....on the other hand with the 35 year old women you have to do this and this and this and this and this aaaand you have to be really fast to have a satisifying result

ps: yes i know in sc2 you have to be fast too, but this way its more funny :p

I'm talking about watching only. The point is that BW delivers better games usually. But people are not going to watch long enough to understand the game, and because of that won't enjoy BW. SC2 is easier to watch for someone with no knowledge of the game.

On January 24 2012 11:36 Taekwon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:30 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....

I know it's pretty bad, but I think the point come across pretty clear. Most people are shallow and will overlook BW amazing gameplay because ultimately SC2 looks more "modern".


I don't understand how people can even see what the heck goes on in that game.
BW is the clean, modest lady who doesn't seek wealth, is knowledgeable, and understands life.

SC II is a gloat, obsessed with pop culture, has no clue what to do with her future, and ostentatious - covered in 1012382 jewels and colorful crap that you can't even discern anything about her.

.-.

When I first started watching BW I didn't understand shit about what was going on too. It takes time to learn to watch.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 24 2012 02:45 GMT
#131
Zergbong? haha you mean nestea right?
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 24 2012 02:51 GMT
#132
On January 24 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....

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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 24 2012 02:54 GMT
#133
On January 24 2012 11:51 Taekwon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....


You obviously didnt watch SOTG or you are not an incontrol fan, one or the other.
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 03:08:55
January 24 2012 03:06 GMT
#134
On January 24 2012 11:25 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:05 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:03 1Eris1 wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:57 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:47 Taekwon wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:41 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:40 supernovamaniac wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:37 IntoTheheart wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:35 supernovamaniac wrote:
On January 24 2012 10:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
[quote]


Out of curiosity, do you feel that games need to be able to stand on their singleplayer? I certainly do (but then again, I'm really focused on singleplayer in general).


In my honest opinion, the singleplayer aspect of any given game should be as good as the multiplayer experience, as long as the game both supports singleplayer and multiplayer.

In recent times, the development of Internet just boomed the multiplayer scene, and that's why we have everyone bitching about the balance online or how some gun is overpowered as soon as the game gets released. It feels like noone plays the singleplayers anymore. I, on one hand, enjoyed the MW3 singleplayer and play the multiplayer whenever I want to play some mindless shooting games. On the other hand, I quit SC2 singleplayer campaign after playing about 6~7 of them because it felt too dull and repetitive (this is, of course, without the balance/UI issues).


My other issue with the SC2 campaign were the characters. Extremely one-dimensional and uninspiring (except for Zeratul and Findley). The Deus Ex Machina which was the Artifact robbed Blizzard of any way to make the character of Raynor expand. I mean, the box blurb told me more about him than the game itself. Is that sad? I think so.

Pretty much. Everything was shallow and really easy to follow. To be honest, they probably wanted to make more money off the franchise through eSports, so they made the new game. Then again, I might be the only one hating on the shallowness of SC2 singleplayer storyline and character development.


Biggest disappointment? Mine was the artifact just HAPPENING TO BE AWESOME. That just killed it right there. Tassadar's ghost-thing also annoyed me. I spend days when I first beat the campaign finding a way to take it out and now Blizzard slaps me in the face. D-, Blizzard.


I don't know anything about SC II but did you just say Tassadar's ghost?!


I wish I was kidding. I almost cried. Ready to kill.



Is it bad to say I only bought SC2 originally for the story, having not watched a game of BW for six years?


I can't insult you since I wanted it for the same reason.


BW had a much better story, but the actual levels were boring and kind of same-y. SC2 had a nice variety of levels, but the story was sub-fanfiction


Funny, I actually disliked SC2's campaign levels and vastly preferred the BW ones. Boring as it is I would have preferred more SC2 levels where you just macro up and roll the enemy instead of the special mission quests

EDIT: Oh and like most people, SC2's story is hernia inducing
Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
January 24 2012 03:17 GMT
#135
On January 24 2012 11:28 Caladbolg wrote:
Sigh.

No LAN? Right... and you wanted to be taken seriously as an e-Sport?

Clumped units?

Magic casting?

Small maps?

No defender's advantage?

I could deal with MBS and unlimited unit selection (because the latter simply means the inferior players can move around their army a little better - but you still have to use all the hotkeys if you want to engage properly), but the rest? Ugh.

As much as I like playing SC2, and like watching SC2, to see my BW heroes play that game would be the death of me. Hope no one above the level of MVP/ForGG/Hyun switches right off the bat.


Give it time, BW has had 11 years to turn in to an amazing game. Give SC2 the time it needs. I honestly believe it'll get there at some point.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
January 24 2012 03:20 GMT
#136
On January 24 2012 08:17 Bd.Snake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 08:14 Megaliskuu wrote:
LoL will probably take over both pretty soon. Either way I've grown apathetic to the news tbh, Broodwar is dying, sc2 sucks, I'm just gonna keep playing bw on fish with my clanmates till it dies, then I'll move on. Pretty simple.

Just wondering why do you think sc2 sucks?


Because BW.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
January 24 2012 03:20 GMT
#137
On January 24 2012 12:17 Xeteh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:28 Caladbolg wrote:
Sigh.

No LAN? Right... and you wanted to be taken seriously as an e-Sport?

Clumped units?

Magic casting?

Small maps?

No defender's advantage?

I could deal with MBS and unlimited unit selection (because the latter simply means the inferior players can move around their army a little better - but you still have to use all the hotkeys if you want to engage properly), but the rest? Ugh.

As much as I like playing SC2, and like watching SC2, to see my BW heroes play that game would be the death of me. Hope no one above the level of MVP/ForGG/Hyun switches right off the bat.


Give it time, BW has had 11 years to turn in to an amazing game. Give SC2 the time it needs. I honestly believe it'll get there at some point.

Mods, please make "give it time" bannable
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 24 2012 03:25 GMT
#138
On January 24 2012 12:20 gngfn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 12:17 Xeteh wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:28 Caladbolg wrote:
Sigh.

No LAN? Right... and you wanted to be taken seriously as an e-Sport?

Clumped units?

Magic casting?

Small maps?

No defender's advantage?

I could deal with MBS and unlimited unit selection (because the latter simply means the inferior players can move around their army a little better - but you still have to use all the hotkeys if you want to engage properly), but the rest? Ugh.

As much as I like playing SC2, and like watching SC2, to see my BW heroes play that game would be the death of me. Hope no one above the level of MVP/ForGG/Hyun switches right off the bat.


Give it time, BW has had 11 years to turn in to an amazing game. Give SC2 the time it needs. I honestly believe it'll get there at some point.

Mods, please make "give it time" bannable


We gave sc2 ten's year of time to develop it self in to the ultimate "E-Sports" game like DB and friends have been preaching , I mean I still recall them saying the editor " Can Do ANYTHING " . Well if it can do anything than un clump the units and not make it into the ball when you right click a control group of units to the destination you ordered them to go.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 24 2012 03:25 GMT
#139
On January 24 2012 11:54 firehand101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 11:51 Taekwon wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:22 dmnum wrote:
On January 24 2012 11:09 poopman wrote:
But brood war looks so "clean"

BW is a good looking game, but it's like comparing a woman when she's 35 and when she's 20. The 20 year old looks better than the 35 year old, and most people will go for the former only because of that. But ultimately the 35 year old is better in bed because she has experience.


This is the worst face palming analogy I ever heard in my life before....


You obviously didnt watch SOTG or you are not an incontrol fan, one or the other.


No, both.
whatever those are...
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KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
January 24 2012 03:27 GMT
#140
On January 24 2012 09:01 fabiano wrote:
I wrote, deleted, rewrote, redeleted and wrote again this post again trying to keep it as little SC2 bashing as possible.

For me, SC2 is horrible. It is a really good game if you compare to CnC and it is fun to play casually, but for someone who has been playing BW, watching competitive SC2 is awful, disgusting and I found myself facepalming at each new feature they added/removed from the game. It is enraging.

But it is ok. I just stopped playing it, stopped following it and forgot about it, except the fact that I flushed US$60 down the toilet. I still have BW to play and to watch and everything is kind of okay, even if they ADD SC2 to Proleague its okay, I might even check a game someday to see if I change my mind.

Now, if KeSPA slowly replace BW with SC2 then its just over. In my eyes, the era of the competitive eSports sinks with BW.

We then will be hostages of Browder's 'creative mind'.

gg


I have this feeling with sc2, i played it,i enjoyed it for like 3 months, played like 3000 games? and i thought it was a good game,it entertained me for a while, man i hoped it to be a great game ! It was easy while i was laddering and i thought "well nvm when i get high enough it will be hard and competitive and all the stuff" ,i was Top 10 NA at one point, and it was the same, the game itself felt wrong and i thought about bw, and the countless hours and hours of practice u have spend to just to do some "decent" muta micro or have decent storms or things like that, or all the others features that make bw so unique, now all of that its gone, I i dont' hate sc2 because its sc2 and we are like the underdogs now, i would be totally fine if the game was atleast as good as bw, or just to show some potential, but with its current state its impossible, as i said, the thing that hurt me the most is the feeling of being replaced by something that to my opinion is inferior, and doesnt have the potencial to be at least as good as his predecesor. Its like the same feeling i have about the shitty generic music that every teenager loves and its total crap, but its the mainstream so if its popular its good right?

As lightwhip said, if bw dies im gone, i will play it till there no one to play anymore, because i have no interest in sc2, if that days ever comes, as the last wish i want to someone make a beautiful video about all the amazing memories about this game that have been in my life since 1998 and cry and cry,(because my video skillz sux donkey dicks), but tears of joy and be grateful to all the good memories that the BW community has ever gave me, i can honestly say that my life would have been totally different if i had never played bw, i mean i even met this wonderful girl that im with right now (:

Please bw never die, because if you do, a part of me will die too.

I justed to write some of my sadness away, i kinda feel better now-
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