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Vei
United States2845 Posts
gfg to that kid's parents, maybe you should be around your kids a bit more and teach them proper values. sucks for the kid who was bullied, i'm sure killing someone at such a young age is nothing short if mega-traumatic. but i support the bullied kid completely. User was warned for this post | ||
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
On January 11 2012 12:14 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: I do beleive all killing is wrong, and although it can be justified it is never right. incapacitating the man by smacking over the head with a brick is fine, but if while he is down on the ground you hit him again for "good measure" that is wrong. I do Kung Fu and in order these are the ways to attempt to resolve conflict that are taught to us. 1) try to avoid actions that would get you into conflict. 2) try to resolve conflict verbally. 3) try to escape the aggressor. 4) if there are other people around ask for help 5) fight back using the minimum force neccessary. of course in your scenario presuming she was just randomly grabbed point 1 has no effect. But you should not immediately try to kill someone to defend yourself. I apoligize for appearing close minded, i will try and correct that. If a kid is carrying around a knife, why not a taser perfecly good for incapacitation, and less likely to accidently kill someone. Most likely because there was no tazer available for him and he wasnt in the best mental condition so his judgement was blurred. I can see how it is easy to analyze the situation from an outside point of view, but when youre right in the middle you make decisions that can be quite different from what one of us would make. That being said, its unfortunate it came this far but I believe he only kept on stabbing and slashing because he still felt threatened and only realized he was no longer in immediate danger when he stopped stabbing (probably when he realized that his efforts on self defense was lethal and his attacker was no longer attempting to converge on him). | ||
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Kangbao
United States34 Posts
This is hypothetical because we don't know exactly what this might be used for, but there are possibilities. This could be used to show that long term emotional distress could call for a different burden level of self-defense than an isolated incident. No one is arguing that the bully was armed, perhaps this changes how deadly force can be applied in a fight and lowers the burden of someone being in a situation with death or serious bodily harm being possible. Perhaps this changes nothing, we don't know yet. It is a possibility though. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On January 11 2012 09:35 ch72105 wrote: The odds that the knife and the murder saved the defendant from death or seriously bodily harm, are incredibly slim. I'm not sure how anyone can think it's worth it to trade the slight possibility of serious bodily harm, for the guaranteed mental/emotional trauma of stabbing somebody to death. I just think you have to be emotionally disturbed to ever bring yourself to stab somebody to death, unless it was clearly a life or death situation. Schoolyard fight with students surrounding you in a ring isn't a life or death situation. I hope he's at least ordered/encouraged to seek psychological treatment. Would any of you feel safe around him? Not really Fight or Flight, it's human instinct. and Flight is a no go here. Better him dead than me. Thing like these are basic, humans have the desire to survive you know..... | ||
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Air4013
United States89 Posts
On January 11 2012 12:26 ampson wrote: I hope people realize that the real tragedy is that somebody died here..... But it's really not... This kid and yes I understand he was a kid was bullying and terrorizing and as a former victim of bullying I can say with certainty he was making the kid unbelievably miserable for over a year, and while it's never a good thing for life to be taken I can't help but feel justice was served here. Anyone who takes pleasure in causing another so much pain, pain that could even make one want to take there on life deserves what they get. So many people are taking ridiculous and pathetic view that this kid is a murder and should be treated as such, I can say for almost a certainty these people have never experienced real true malicious abuse, bullying that can drive kids to suicide, a death is always a tragedy but people with who are so malicious to someone it forces them to such extremes I can't help but feel it was deserved. | ||
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pwndevil
Australia21 Posts
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donotforgetme
2 Posts
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pwndevil
Australia21 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:00 donotforgetme wrote: I just wanna throw this in there, i was in a similar situation with a kid bullying me, nobody liked the kid, but he did it anyway, one day he punched me, and he wasnt concious within the next 10 seconds, ( caught his next punch palmed his forhead, grabbed him, kneed him, stomped in back of his leg just below the knee( broke it )) just a very effective way to win fights if you can do this really fast and time it right. i don't mean to sound harsh here, but as a kid you think of something from a game, not a combo like that but something like a leg sweep (mortal kombat) or a punch to the face, which will hurt your fist afterwards but not alot of kids know this, so alot of kids just react the fastest possible way, kick to the groin, and no, this isn't the only thing they think of but it is damn sure something i would do | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
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BlurzzV2
2 Posts
On January 11 2012 12:17 Vei wrote: fucking. owned. gfg to that kid's parents, maybe you should be around your kids a bit more and teach them proper values. sucks for the kid who was bullied, i'm sure killing someone at such a young age is nothing short if mega-traumatic. but i support the bullied kid completely. While I respect your firm conscience, or lack of an overly sensitive conscience, this isn't a fucking game. "hurr durr fucking. owned." you forgot the GG no RE and the bro at the end. why don't you shut the fuck up and stop being so assuming about this kid's parents, or the situation as a whole. 'You must have been a real pussy unable to defend yourself from bullies as an adolescent to have such a bold viewpoint on this. ' ^^ See how stupid you can look when you assume shit without knowing? good fucking game? no.... gtfu - grow the fuck up. This isn't teamEX.net, you should know that by now. User was warned for this post | ||
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AysiktiriX
358 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:06 pwndevil wrote: i don't mean to sound harsh here, but as a kid you think of something from a game, not a combo like that but something like a leg sweep (mortal kombat) or a punch to the face, which will hurt your fist afterwards but not alot of kids know this, so alot of kids just react the fastest possible way, kick to the groin, and no, this isn't the only thing they think of but it is damn sure something i would do Wow, you took this guy seriously? It's clearly someone, that just wants to show how big his e-penis is. | ||
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sofakng
100 Posts
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
This is the true tragedy, because they are more emotionally invested in social interactions and cannot easily escape from situations they don't want to be in. I.E: They have to go to school. Kids have the means to kill and maim as easily as an adult when you factor in weapons. They are also more prone to escalate to killing blows. I'm going to have to side with the defender on this case. | ||
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Air4013
United States89 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:07 jenzebubble wrote: This thread marks a new low for TL as a community. I'm fucking flabberghasted. ITT Some people actually think this kid is a murderer, wat.... | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On January 11 2012 12:26 ampson wrote: I hope people realize that the real tragedy is that somebody died here..... I think the real tragedy here is that millions of children around the world are traumatized on a daily basis by their peers for nothing more than their tormentor getting an ego boost. This results in bullying being the leading cause of teen suicide and was also the result of this incident and a number of similar incidents. If this incident can serve as a motivator to reduce bullying in any way then at least something positive can come out of it, nothing positive whatsoever can come from the actions of the bully. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
On January 11 2012 12:14 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: I do beleive all killing is wrong, and although it can be justified it is never right. incapacitating the man by smacking over the head with a brick is fine, but if while he is down on the ground you hit him again for "good measure" that is wrong. I do Kung Fu and in order these are the ways to attempt to resolve conflict that are taught to us. 1) try to avoid actions that would get you into conflict. 2) try to resolve conflict verbally. 3) try to escape the aggressor. 4) if there are other people around ask for help 5) fight back using the minimum force neccessary. of course in your scenario presuming she was just randomly grabbed point 1 has no effect. But you should not immediately try to kill someone to defend yourself. I apoligize for appearing close minded, i will try and correct that. If a kid is carrying around a knife, why not a taser perfecly good for incapacitation, and less likely to accidently kill someone. What kid has access to a taser? Is there any way that is not a dumb question? He probably took a knife because that was what he had access to in order to defend himself, but even a gun is much more likely than a taser. Come on, man. | ||
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
On January 11 2012 13:51 Tektos wrote: I think the real tragedy here is that millions of children around the world are traumatized on a daily basis by their peers for nothing more than their tormentor getting an ego boost. This results in bullying being the leading cause of teen suicide and was also the result of this incident and a number of similar incidents. If this incident can serve as a motivator to reduce bullying in any way then at least something positive can come out of it, nothing positive whatsoever can come from the actions of the bully. Well said. A lot of people underestimate the wide-reaching and long-term effect of bullying. You have millions of adults who are held back by emotional scars from their childhood. They become the depressed, passive-aggressive who bottle up their emotions until they unleash all their fury on an unsuspecting crowd of innocents. And the world ends up with more monsters. | ||
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