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On January 10 2012 17:12 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:09 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:03 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:00 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 16:56 nennx wrote:While I agree to the majority of your post, there is no telling what will happen to you during a physical fight of this nature. There is no way that the bully victim will know how far the bully will go to in fighting him, so he took his own actions to defend himself. You can always criticize what happens after the actual event, but when you are placed right in it, you only have seconds to defend yourself. Stabbing someone 12 times is not an appropiate action for defending yourself from someone who is unnarmed. No one he should get away with absolutely no criminal penalties (I might agree that a murder charge would be too much), but our laws are so fucked up thats whats going to happen. But he isn't unarmed. Sure, he might not carry a knife or a gun, but he has the "might" of a pack of bullies behind him, ready to step in as soon as their victim hits back. Or he could have maybe stabbed him once instead of 12 times to kill him. Don't know ~ You just said it right there. "Don't know." You have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop talking. When you feel your life is being threatened, you're not thinking rationally. He's not going to think "I'll just stab him once so he'll leave me alone, and then I'll be on my merry way." When you are in a situation like that, instinct takes over. Not thinking rationally isn't an excuse for murder. Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about.
It wasn't murder.
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I wont really get into whetever the bully deserved it, or if the victim was in the right. But I will hope that this story might encourage some other bullies around to think "maybe I'll just let him be"...probably not
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On January 10 2012 17:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
The kid even told the bully he didn't want to fight, and SHOWED HIM THE KNIFE and the bully proceeded to try to fight him anyways. He even got off the bus at a stop that wasn't his own in order to try to avoid the fight.
The bully, at this point, in my honest opinion deserved to die. If you can be that foul, to stalk someone else to no ends to simply make their lives miserable AND physically attempt to harm them (and we have no idea to what extent, the bully DID punch the kid first in the head), then you need to be prepared to be killed. Especially if the other side SHOWS YOU they have a knife!
Good law, glad the kid isn't punished.
He showed the knife to friends at the front of the bus iirc. I don't think he ever showed the bully. Which is probably a good thing, the bully probably would have postponed it for a day and brought a weapon as well.
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On January 10 2012 17:11 e4e5nf3 wrote:
Entering the bully's name "Dylan Nuno" in youtube shows a ton of tributes to him from friends and family. A couple vids have what looks like his entire school giving him a tribute. This dude was really loved. I'm still convinced he was a dick for bullying that junior, though.
We can't know all sides of a person.
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On January 10 2012 17:12 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:09 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:03 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:00 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 16:56 nennx wrote:While I agree to the majority of your post, there is no telling what will happen to you during a physical fight of this nature. There is no way that the bully victim will know how far the bully will go to in fighting him, so he took his own actions to defend himself. You can always criticize what happens after the actual event, but when you are placed right in it, you only have seconds to defend yourself. Stabbing someone 12 times is not an appropiate action for defending yourself from someone who is unnarmed. No one he should get away with absolutely no criminal penalties (I might agree that a murder charge would be too much), but our laws are so fucked up thats whats going to happen. But he isn't unarmed. Sure, he might not carry a knife or a gun, but he has the "might" of a pack of bullies behind him, ready to step in as soon as their victim hits back. Or he could have maybe stabbed him once instead of 12 times to kill him. Don't know ~ You just said it right there. "Don't know." You have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop talking. When you feel your life is being threatened, you're not thinking rationally. He's not going to think "I'll just stab him once so he'll leave me alone, and then I'll be on my merry way." When you are in a situation like that, instinct takes over. Not thinking rationally isn't an excuse for murder. Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about.
Actually, being in a state of duress IS taken into account in the vast majority of crimes, including this one. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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On January 10 2012 16:56 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +While I agree to the majority of your post, there is no telling what will happen to you during a physical fight of this nature. There is no way that the bully victim will know how far the bully will go to in fighting him, so he took his own actions to defend himself. You can always criticize what happens after the actual event, but when you are placed right in it, you only have seconds to defend yourself. Stabbing someone 12 times is not an appropiate action for defending yourself from someone who is unnarmed. No one he should get away with absolutely no criminal penalties (I might agree that a murder charge would be too much), but our laws are so fucked up thats whats going to happen.
When you're in a state of rage you don't back off until the other person is down and out, or somebody restrains you. The kid obviously felt that his life was threatened, and went all-out.
When normal people are faced with life-or-death situations, the only thing they care about is self-preservation. Instinct usually takes over and will probably urge you to not stop attacking until the person threatening your life is lying on the ground and won't be able to get up any time soon.
In this case the kid who was bullied just kept on stabbing until the bully was no longer a threat (ie. dead), I guess.
Very few people would actually be able to keep their cool when they're surrounded by a bunch of people who they feel want to do them serious physical harm, especially after having been dogged for quite some time.
As someone who was bullied in the past, I find it extremely difficult to feel any kind of pity for the bully, even though I know I probably should because despite what he did he did not deserve to die.
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On January 10 2012 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:07 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
The kid even told the bully he didn't want to fight, and SHOWED HIM THE KNIFE and the bully proceeded to try to fight him anyways.
Good law, glad the kid isn't punished. The bully should have just stabbed him to death in self defense, would have been ok. In fact, it sounds to be me like the bully was ok in defending himself, after all, the kid pulled a knife on him. Too bad he died and has no word in the matter Except the bully was the instigator, and there were several witnesses. k.
So? He has every right to defend himself from someone with a knife. If you start an argument with someone and they pull out a gun, you can shoot them and get away with it (or they can shoot you and say they were in fear for their life). How is this any different?
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Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society.
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On January 10 2012 17:03 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:00 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 16:56 nennx wrote:While I agree to the majority of your post, there is no telling what will happen to you during a physical fight of this nature. There is no way that the bully victim will know how far the bully will go to in fighting him, so he took his own actions to defend himself. You can always criticize what happens after the actual event, but when you are placed right in it, you only have seconds to defend yourself. Stabbing someone 12 times is not an appropiate action for defending yourself from someone who is unnarmed. No one he should get away with absolutely no criminal penalties (I might agree that a murder charge would be too much), but our laws are so fucked up thats whats going to happen. But he isn't unarmed. Sure, he might not carry a knife or a gun, but he has the "might" of a pack of bullies behind him, ready to step in as soon as their victim hits back. Or he could have maybe stabbed him once instead of 12 times to kill him. Don't know ~
Or you could take some time to think of the circumstances under which those 12 stabs occurred and the fact that you don't actually know what the sequence of events were during the fight. It's pretty hard to incapacitate someone with a pocketknife in a fight if you don't know how to use it and in this case, he had already suffered quite a few blows to the head which probably would render his judgement clouded at best. Not to mention if you don't incapacitate someone in a fight with your knife, they're probably just going to want to end it that much faster which leads to more punches which leads to more stabs.
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On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society.
We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting.
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On January 10 2012 17:14 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On January 10 2012 17:07 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
The kid even told the bully he didn't want to fight, and SHOWED HIM THE KNIFE and the bully proceeded to try to fight him anyways.
Good law, glad the kid isn't punished. The bully should have just stabbed him to death in self defense, would have been ok. In fact, it sounds to be me like the bully was ok in defending himself, after all, the kid pulled a knife on him. Too bad he died and has no word in the matter Except the bully was the instigator, and there were several witnesses. k. So? He has every right to defend himself from someone with a knife. If you start an argument with someone and they pull out a gun, you can shoot them and get away with it (or they can shoot you and say they were in fear for their life). How is this any different?
I try and rob someone, they pull a gun on me, I take it off them and shoot them. I think I'm getting charged :p. I can't see myself getting off too light there.
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On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting.
The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society.
And the troll is revealed...? A kid is harassed, abused, gang beaten, and then finally stabs his attacker when one such beating goes too far and your biggest gripe about "digression of society" is that people support bringing weapons to fights? Newsflash, he didn't even want to fight. He was stuck in a corner where he literally couldn't run away any longer from the scary big kid beating on his head.
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On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting.
yeah getting attacked by 3 bigger people than you for no reason isn't what I term a 'fight'. More like a crime.
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On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g.
Again.. It wasn't murder.
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Sad story actually, things should really never go this far. the friends of both parties should have talked to a adult, or an adult should have paid more attention. bullying happens way to often.. remember that most bullies arent bullies at home, some live a ordinary life when not at school. easy way to get attention from someone. hope the bully's family is okey :-/
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On January 10 2012 17:12 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:09 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:03 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:00 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 16:56 nennx wrote:While I agree to the majority of your post, there is no telling what will happen to you during a physical fight of this nature. There is no way that the bully victim will know how far the bully will go to in fighting him, so he took his own actions to defend himself. You can always criticize what happens after the actual event, but when you are placed right in it, you only have seconds to defend yourself. Stabbing someone 12 times is not an appropiate action for defending yourself from someone who is unnarmed. No one he should get away with absolutely no criminal penalties (I might agree that a murder charge would be too much), but our laws are so fucked up thats whats going to happen. But he isn't unarmed. Sure, he might not carry a knife or a gun, but he has the "might" of a pack of bullies behind him, ready to step in as soon as their victim hits back. Or he could have maybe stabbed him once instead of 12 times to kill him. Don't know ~ You just said it right there. "Don't know." You have no idea what you are talking about, so please stop talking. When you feel your life is being threatened, you're not thinking rationally. He's not going to think "I'll just stab him once so he'll leave me alone, and then I'll be on my merry way." When you are in a situation like that, instinct takes over. Not thinking rationally isn't an excuse for murder. Sounds to me like you have no idea what you're talking about.
If you torment someone and push him around for a year, then start beating him up with no chance to get away and the serious intent to harm him, what do you expect the person to do? At that point instincts take over, survival instincs...
If you stab someone once with that kind of knife hes probably just getting angry and will kill you in rage. Thats what Id expect to happen. Id rather try to finish him before he gets back up and overpowers me. Once it has come this far there really is hardly any way to get out of it.
If he stabs the bully once the guy will probably just be even more angry and at that point your own life is definitly in danger. So take him down while you can. Also the odds of everyone else leaving you alone after this are much better, he was still surrounded by bullies and by taking that one dude down he sends a pretty clear message to those guys to not come after him.
Just dont start any shit and this wont happen, if you push a person to the point where his instincts take over because he fears for his live you only have yourself to blame. Hope the kid gets some help, he will need it.
And think about this, if he wouldnt have done this he still would be pushed around and getting beaten up right now...
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On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder.
Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground.
At least murder rates are down. LMFAO
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It was just the natural sequence of events. I'm glad the victim didn't end up killer her/himself though as is the case so many times. Once in a while the right people actually die.
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On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO
Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now.
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