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On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO
No, it's not because of laws like stand your ground.
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If the guy was actively trying to beat the shit out of him and wasn't going to stop, then he is fully in the right to use force, up to deadly force if that's what it takes to stop the assault. Fuck bullys.
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On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now.
Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated?
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On January 10 2012 17:25 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now. Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated?
It's premeditated defense, not aggression.
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On January 10 2012 17:25 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now. Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated?
Not really no, since he was never gonna participate in the fight if he had a choice>?
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On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO
Your original ideas had promise, but presenting them in an immature way isn't contributing in a constructive manner.
I think easily obtainable weapons is the issue here, although a pocket knife really isn't that bad, larger more dangerous knives being fairly available, especially in the US, make what could just be a violent upset between adults degrade into possible deaths. And it happens a lot...
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Well, now they can make compilation videos from these cases all around the world and show it to the other kids. Finishing up with the Supplex kid.
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On January 10 2012 17:14 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:09 FabledIntegral wrote:On January 10 2012 17:07 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
The kid even told the bully he didn't want to fight, and SHOWED HIM THE KNIFE and the bully proceeded to try to fight him anyways.
Good law, glad the kid isn't punished. The bully should have just stabbed him to death in self defense, would have been ok. In fact, it sounds to be me like the bully was ok in defending himself, after all, the kid pulled a knife on him. Too bad he died and has no word in the matter Except the bully was the instigator, and there were several witnesses. k. So? He has every right to defend himself from someone with a knife. If you start an argument with someone and they pull out a gun, you can shoot them and get away with it (or they can shoot you and say they were in fear for their life). How is this any different?
No, he actually doesn't. See, once you're the instigator, you're at fault from what follows. Thus, if Dylan punched Jorge, Jorge pulls out knife, Dylan cannot pull out knife as well and attack Jorge and not be found guilty of murder. The law does not work this way. What matters is who is instigating the matter.
To the second part, it's wholly irrelevant, I don't even know why you typed it.
EDIT: After reading your numerous responses, it's clear you're a troll. Even if you thought the act was unacceptable, there's no way you could be serious with your posting in such an immature manner and without any actual basis to your arguments.
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i typed his name into youtube like that other guy said , there was an anime video of him being beheaded to the morrowind soundtrack (spoilers!!) and also this
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i just cant get my head around it, this culture thing
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On January 10 2012 17:25 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now. Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated?
He never intended to use it and did everything in his power to avoid the fight. Again, maybe you should read the article and find out what happened.
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You've gotta feel like shit if you're the bullies parents in this case. Not only have you failed in raising your child to not torment others. But you've lost him because of that failure. I wouldn't go so far as to say they deserved it but they sure will be thinking about it for the rest of their lives.
On the other hand. Maybe they're just morons who will blame others for it.
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I can't believe there is a positive side painted about a bully in stories and tributes. After reading tributes and messages of love. He wasn't "slain" he was rightfully killed. He deserved it and his parents should be jailed for raising a creature like this.
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After reading a fair amount of comments want to see if I can end the discussion.
It is a shame for both sides and sad that it had to escalate to this situation but it had been happening for a year. At this point it's safe to say that the other kids and teachers weren't going to intervene. The kid didn't know what to do and felt taking a knife was the best course of action.
When surrounded by a group of bullies one of which said he is going to physically harm you, the kid with the knife is very scared doesn't know what to do and will violently swing the knife as the testosterone is going and when the body is in an adrenaline state the mind becomes more tunnel visioned, one of the points that's taught in psychology.
As some TL posters are stating they have been bullied and it can be very traumatic and make them side with the bullied. It is known that scaring at a young age from being bullied or other time of abuse can lead to social problems for adults.
My last point and probably the biggest these are kids, Communication is hard if not impossible to do with them if you read all the bullying cases and previous precedent on the issue you will see that no one knew that this was happening. As a growing kid their brains are not as developed as an adult or a TL reader that thinks they know what should of happened, kids in school don't fully know how to process or resolve a situation that can be far outside their comfort zone. That is why booze isn't allowed until you are 21 because the brain needs to evolve in key area's. Their thought process is way different then anyone else that is why some kids are put into juvy not prison.
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On January 10 2012 15:09 Regime wrote:
what bullshit it doesnt matter if u think ur in danger. call the police... u cant carry a knife thats intent theres no way around it
Why didn't the bully call the police instead of getting stabbed? Probably the same reason. Odds are he didn't have time to sit and think about it while in perhaps mortal danger. If you can call the police absolutely do it, but it didn't seem like he had a choice. And carrying a knife is intent?That is the same as saying wearing a helmet on a motorcycle was intent to hit a pole.
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Isn't carrying a knife with you considered illegal as it falls under the category of white weapon? I'm very sure this kid would be trialed and convicted in pretty much every other country in the world for doing what he did. Self defense my ass, the only thing he would have received was a minor beating and some bruises by some bully. If the beating would end up much worse, he can just sue and reach for a nice financial settlement. But the kid was walking around carrying a knife, it's obvious some part of him wanted to exact revenge on his aggressor.
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On January 10 2012 17:30 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:25 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now. Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated? He never intended to use it and did everything in his power to avoid the fight. Again, maybe you should read the article and find out what happened.
Thats right, he just brought the knife to school when he knew there was going to be a fight. I read the report, he had the knife in his pocket and used it when attacked. The law says hes innocent since its ok to kill unarmed people who threaten you.
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hope he has a good therapist, he's probably going through some crazy shit right now.
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Don't see anything wrong with this. Fighting back isn't an option when there is a group of his friends there. I was bullied in grade 6 and forced into a fight with the bully and his 18 year old brother + friends were in a group around me. I punched the kid and a bunch of people jumped me when i hit him. It's not just a fight, because they will beat the shit out of you whether you are "winning the fight" or not. And if he was being bullied for like a year then thats the reason he had the knife. durrr.
On January 10 2012 17:34 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:30 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:25 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now. Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated? He never intended to use it and did everything in his power to avoid the fight. Again, maybe you should read the article and find out what happened. Thats right, he just brought the knife to school when he knew there was going to be a fight. I read the report, he had the knife in his pocket and used it when attacked. The law says hes innocent since its ok to kill unarmed people who threaten you.
you're an idiot.
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On January 10 2012 17:28 FFGenerations wrote:i typed his name into youtube like that other guy said , there was an anime video of him being beheaded to the morrowind soundtrack (spoilers!!) and also this + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKM1mkANB_I i just cant get my head around it, this culture thing
So apparently the bully was learning jiu-jitsu and wanted to show off martial arts by beating up a weaker kid along with 2 of his friends.
Senseis/instructors, I'm sure, are shaking their heads over this. You take martial arts to defend yourself, but unfortunately, a 14 year old kid such as this, doesn't quite care for that.
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On January 10 2012 17:34 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 17:30 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:25 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:24 tripper688 wrote:On January 10 2012 17:22 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:19 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 nennx wrote:On January 10 2012 17:18 SolHeiM wrote:On January 10 2012 17:16 nennx wrote:
Its disgusting that so many people support bringing weapons into fights.
Talk about a digression of society. We support the right to defending yourself against an attacker. You're trying to put words in our mouths, and that is to me pretty disgusting. The right to defend yourself by committing murder with no consequences. D-i-s-g-u-s-t-i-n-g. Again.. It wasn't murder. Yeah, its not murder anymore because of laws like stand your ground. At least murder rates are down. LMFAO Actually, even in states without stand your ground, chances are it would not have been murder. No malicious premeditation means he would be hit with manslaughter if anything at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are just trying to get a rise out of people now. Bringing a weapon to school when you know you're going to be in a fight isn't premeditated? He never intended to use it and did everything in his power to avoid the fight. Again, maybe you should read the article and find out what happened. Thats right, he just brought the knife to school when he knew there was going to be a fight. I read the report, he had the knife in his pocket and used it when attacked. The law says hes innocent since its ok to kill unarmed people who threaten you.
so if a group of kids are beating you and you have a knife on you for self defense because you've been constantly bullied, you wouldn't use the knife?
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