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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:39 jyisvip wrote: So going 0-10 in GSL code A shows you that naniwa has the skill that deserves code s? Second place at Providence and winner of MLG Global over Nestea and MVP doesn't deserve it? | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:41 migosore wrote: Why devise a format that makes for meaningless games? If they can't admit their mistake they are the ones acting unprofessionally. Presumably because people wanted to see Nani vs. Nestea. I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, knew that they were going to play and that was what pushed me over the edge to buy a ticket. If I don't think players are going to make the slightest attempt to play a match, I will be less likely to buy a ticket to special tournaments such as these. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:42 gwixter wrote: yeah, right ... so if naniwa had 4gated, everyone would have been happy .... really cool .... Ya because 4 gate actually has a possibility in winning and shows that he at least gives a shit to play a real match. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
very, very well put by tyler, thank you for that link | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:41 SKYFISH_ wrote: Right, obviously everything is OK now since Chae didnt call NaNiwa a money-hungry non-pro player directly, he simply implied all that. A world of difference indeed. GOMTV get extra respect for having IdrA invited after Chae telling us how true Pros should play Starcraft for the enjoyment of their fans and not for the money Idra, of all people, mannered and respectful and not doing it for the money. Great with his fans as well  apolgize for playing that race! they sure did pick a more mannered player for GSL that has never quit a won game. (idra is still my favorite foreign player) | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
God, seeing all of these threads has angered me to no end, the amount of misinformation, the random bias, the constant spout offs of the peanut gallery with NO basis or even all of the facts, is mind boggling. I didn't want to post in any of them, but seeing this one, with the clarification from Mr. Chae, just further reinforces that WE DONT HAVE ALL THE FACTS, and the post that Naniwa is not BANNED, is another clarification. ALL OF THIS IS ALL JUST MISTRANSLATIONS AND MISCOMMUNICATION AT THIS POINT. Everyone needs to STFU about what is "earned" or "fact" until we are given them BY sources. Goddamn. | ||
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schI2ler
129 Posts
Please for the sake of our keyboards give us some informations... please | ||
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droxe
Germany95 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:40 o[twist] wrote: i don't think anybody's mentioned this, but the rule that was used to disqualify naniwa (of course, this is subject to translation issues) was "shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors." do we have any reason to think that this would refer to in-game actions rather than, say, chat or ceremonies? has this rule ever been applied before and would naniwa have had any reason to think that it would have applied to this action? these are all things you need to take into consideration when you ask whether this is fair to naniwa and to mlg. in my eyes this is clearly an arbitrary and capricious use of the rule and it's frankly unconscionable to treat players like this. fuck naniwa for throwing a game, sure, but i have serious doubts about it being against that rule, at least as stated in english. Did you read the OP at all? "There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."" No mention of any rule being involved, just that they don't consider him professional enough to be handed a spot for Code S. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:44 Symbioth wrote: I don't want to see any Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa that isn't Johan Lucchesi from Sweden. It's a meaningless, shallow facade of an automaton playing a game for money passed off as "professionalism". An automaton delivering games like a coffee automat delivers us a coffee.That's a highly uninspiring and dull statement from GOM. I want to see Johan Lucchesi from Sweden doing his absolute best for passion, for the game, for the win, for being the very best because that's what he wants - and it is what he wants. That's why he is a progamer. It's NOT A FUCKING JOB. It's passion first. It's the game first and foremost. It's the community, the competition, the fame, the appreciation, the respect, the excitement, the inspiration, the awe, the meaning. THEN, after this, it's money and job. NOT the other way around. I cannot emphesize how brainwashed some people out there seem to be. You just completely forget what e-sports is, or at least should be, all about and why it is what it is now. Do you really want progamers to be like, let's say waiters in a restaurant, bringing you cheeseburgers and fries ? E-sport, at least in term of starcraft, actually originated in Korea. Their standards of professionalism is different from your view. Just respect their view and agree to disagree. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:44 Symbioth wrote: I don't want to see any Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa that isn't Johan Lucchesi from Sweden. It's a meaningless, shallow facade of an automaton playing a game for money passed off as "professionalism". An automaton delivering games like a coffee automat delivers us a coffee.That's a highly uninspiring and dull statement from GOM. I want to see Johan Lucchesi from Sweden doing his absolute best for passion, for the game, for the win, for being the very best because that's what he wants - and it is what he wants. That's why he is a progamer. It's NOT A FUCKING JOB. It's passion first. It's the game first and foremost. It's the community, the competition, the fame, the appreciation, the respect, the excitement, the inspiration, the awe, the meaning. THEN, after this, it's money and job. NOT the other way around. I cannot emphesize how brainwashed some people out there seem to be. You just completely forget what e-sports is, or at least should be, all about and why it is what it is now. Do you really want progamers to be like, let's say waiters in a restaurant, bringing you cheeseburgers and fries ? i want progamers to be well fucking compensated. yes. is that so strange? | ||
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2614 Posts
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Rocor
United States55 Posts
I posted a comment in the SOTG thread concerning this but I wanted to expand on it. Has anybody thought about this in terms of the Sponsors ? I am not sure how a tourney pitches their event to sponsors, but in the case of Blizzard Cup: -speculation- maybe they had it setup to play all possible matches because all of the people attending were some of the best in the world, maybe that is how they pitched it to the sponsors ? If I was a sponsor who bought into the tourney under the impression it was a set amount of games all between well known players, and one of the players just dumped a match I would feel shorted... this was not some open bracket, these were the top players in the world... there should be a level of respect from everyone involved, for everyone involved. If there were no repercussions for said player, then the next time the Tourney asked me to sponsor,. I would be more hesitant... those games would not be so guaranteed. it is hard to be a progamer if there is no money available. I think performing and entertaining professionally are necessary (evils?) in order to attract and maintain real sponsors.. | ||
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
and btw: progaming is a job in korea and when in korea we are bound by their rules eventhough we might not like it. | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:44 tuho12345 wrote: Second place at Providence and winner of MLG Global over Nestea and MVP doesn't deserve it? Vastly different tournament process. He does well in tournies that take place over a few days and you can't forsee your opponent. He has proven he doesn't do well in situations where you know your opponent well in advance and those opponents can study you to death. Since Code S doesn't follow MLGs format, any success he had there shouldn't be proof of him doing well in GSL. | ||
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
Regardless, I agree that Nani fucked up. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:45 droxe wrote: Did you read the OP at all? "There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."" No mention of any rule being involved, just that they don't consider him professional enough to be handed a spot for Code S. but according to most of what i've read, he already had the spot. i guess i might be talking out of my ass to a certain extent. is there any documentation on how the spots were assigned? any press releases or anything suggesting he already had the spot? anything public about the link between mlg and gsl? if he has the spot, he has the spot, and they NEED to have SOME rule in order to take it away. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:47 careohx wrote: Oh and the rule "you need to act as a gamer". What defines a gamer? Based on this rule they can remove anyone for whatever reason. We cant have things like this and talk about PROFESSIONALISM. Uhh you don't even need that. Mutual respect and the lowest level of profesionalism (aka not what Naniwa did) would never have a problem with GOM. | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:43 DYEAlabaster wrote: As far as I know, what Gom is doing here is saying "We don't accept BM and throwing matches, no matter what." And yet it smacks of hypocrasy, taking it from one outspoken BM machine, and giving it to another (Idra), because as much as I love them both, they are quite similar in emotional reaction to certain things. I think that if this is the case, Mr. Chae is shooting himself in the face. Idra has straight up refused to play games before because he didn't want to. What will happen when he's forced to play a game that doesn't matter? Idra really isn't much of an outspoken BM machine recently, he gets emotional for sure, but at this point his "bm" is more of a gimmicky stage persona that has stuck with him as his growth as a player rather than legitimate BM. The inability for this community to move on from stereotypes is frightening.. | ||
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