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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:39 jyisvip wrote: So going 0-10 in GSL code A shows you that naniwa has the skill that deserves code s? Even if he was 0-150000000000000000000000000000000000 it wouldn't matter, he STILL earned his spot through MLG and you know it, his GSL score doesn't matter. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:40 baoluvboa wrote: It doesn't explicitly state that the spot was contractual. He just said that Naniwa was given a spot, whether by GOM's choice or Naniwa's earning it in Providence and the exchange program is not clear from his sentence. That doesn't matter, because MayorITC is claiming, that he NEVER had one. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
A world of difference indeed. GOMTV get extra respect for having IdrA invited after Chae telling us how true Pros should play Starcraft for the enjoyment of their fans and not for the money Idra, of all people, mannered and respectful and not doing it for the money. Great with his fans as well  | ||
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migosore
Poland5 Posts
We've got 2 players and a match for...uh.. yeah nothing. The people who have watched the series are complaining that they 'wasted their time' wating for it. I'm 100% sure that they would still complain if Nani just 2gate proxied or did any of the other cheese/all in builds that would end the game in a matter of minutes. If Naniwa's win/loss would have any impact on the group standings I would support the decision to punish him (and saying its not a punishment is bullshit) for throwing the game. Either way the tournament standings are left untouched and the viewers are unhappy. As much as Naniwa acted in an unprofessional manner I think GOM is the party who made the mistake in the first place and Mr Chae should be the one to apologise to the viewers for the whole situation. After all they made him play a game with absolutely nothing on the line. Why would anyone try hard to play in such a game, especially considering the fact that he really wanted to beat Nestea in a game that mattered and most likely wants to save the strategy he prepared for later... Why devise a format that makes for meaningless games? If they can't admit their mistake they are the ones acting unprofessionally. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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price
United States297 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:19 mordk wrote: I'm pretty sure in english both definitions of the word "professional" exist right? (As in, thing you dedicate yourself to in order to make money, and thing you put your soul, heart, etc because you love it and it involves a corresponding behaviour). I'd find it kinda sad if English speakers in general though being a pro at anything is only about money. And weird. saying money is involved is quite different from saying it's only about money. trying to ignore that money is a large motivation is the point i think ... you have to note that money is what makes the dedication possible. you have to get a job to pay the bills otherwise and then you cant put as much soul into it ... | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:35 Teriyaki-Boy wrote: I don't understand why, people are defending him for acting in such a way and trying to justified the game mean nothing....The game does mean something to the viewers and the fans of Naniwa and Nestea. People need to understand this is a business of entertainment and GOM wanna put out great content for their viewers and E-Sport to grow. I have to agree with the punishment, only caring for your own personal feeling and disregard your jobs is truly unprofessional. To some viewers. To others, such as myself, it's a meaningless game, a consequence of a bad tournament format, that is being played out as show for the sake of the show. You're asking the players to fake it. That is almost impossible, as can be seen in how Hero didn't play to win in his match against DRG on monday, and almost always results in lackluster games, if not in trouble as we've seen here. It means you have to set a rather arbitrary rule for how much of an effort you're supposed to make. I wan't to see meaningful competition, matches that matter, not something akin to a wrestling match. | ||
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:38 baoluvboa wrote: Difference between the most prestigious tourney of the year and a highly anticipated grudge match than UP and DOWN groups. People were extremely disappointed at the possibility that GOM skipped the match in the LR threads. I'm sure this sentiment rang true for most viewers. yeah, right ... so if naniwa had 4gated, everyone would have been happy .... really cool .... | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
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QxGRockEr
United States191 Posts
Seriously what a prick tho. He deserves punishment. | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:39 jyisvip wrote: So going 0-10 in GSL code A shows you that naniwa has the skill that deserves code s? the 0-10 is a bit deceptive however, he didn't play bad in the slightest at all in the three games. He played really well, he just needs to mix up his openings a bit. Once he survives the early game he's a beast. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:41 price wrote: saying money is involved is quite different from saying it's only about money. trying to ignore that money is a large motivation is the point i think ... you have to note that money is what makes the dedication possible. you have to get a job to pay the bills otherwise and then you cant put as much soul into it ... i actually think this is a great insight into the korean progaming culture. they want kids who don't play for money. that way, they don't have to pay them very much. the williams sisters campaigned for equal prize money for women and men in pro tennis but you don't see anyone calling them amateurs or money-grubbers. | ||
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:34 opticalza wrote: I am really confused. What Naniwa did was not the right thing to do, but are there any rules against it? How can GSL go back on their agreement with MLG to award the highest placing contender at an MLG with a code S spot without some kind of clause or ruling that everyone was aware of beforehand? If there were such a rule or agreement then this is entirely appropriate, but by the sounds of things there wasn't, and if I were Naniwa or Quantic, I would be outraged and frustrated at GOM for this. Seems very unprofessional to me, and I hope someone clears this up. Well hey it's not cheating if I don't get caught right? Can we all get past this mentality and have a little bit of dignity? "We didn't do the right thing and we're being punished for it, WHAT THE HELL?!" Does that at all sound appropriate? Is it unprofessional to excuse the wrong thing to do or is it unprofessional to do the wrong thing? | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
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xhkz
Canada34 Posts
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jyisvip
Canada209 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:41 grobo wrote: Even if he was 0-150000000000000000000000000000000000 it wouldn't matter, he STILL earned his spot through MLG and you know it, his GSL score doesn't matter. I was just pointing out that his skill level isn't code S (with moral compass and reputation aside) Yes he worked hard and got an INVITATION to code S. And by being unprofessional he lost that opportunity. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
No side is correct on this , this is why everybody is getting mad ... Gomtv deserves to punish Naniwa , he just sat there and with one hand and A-moved... but because the match changed nothing, Naniwa with his Bad Boy style did this thinking it was funny or to punish GOM for making him play that game without the need to do it.. Gom is wrong for revoking his code s and the rules should be more clear to everyone.. Naniwa is wrong too , because of the attitude he showed... just that.. | ||
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Symbioth
Poland103 Posts
"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well." I don't want to see any Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa that isn't Johan Lucchesi from Sweden. It's a meaningless, shallow facade of an automaton playing a game for money passed off as "professionalism". An automaton delivering games like a coffee automat delivers us a coffee.That's a highly uninspiring and dull statement from GOM. I want to see Johan Lucchesi from Sweden doing his absolute best for passion, for the game, for the win, for being the very best because that's what he wants - and it is what he wants. That's why he is a progamer. It's NOT A FUCKING JOB. It's passion first. It's the game first and foremost. It's the community, the competition, the fame, the appreciation, the respect, the excitement, the inspiration, the awe, the meaning. THEN, after this, it's money and job. NOT the other way around. I cannot emphesize how brainwashed some people out there seem to be. You just completely forget what e-sports is, or at least should be, all about and why it is what it is now. Why some people want a progamer to play a meaningless game as if it wasn't meaningless ? How can you expect him to play his best in such a game ? Why is this such an issue anyways ? PROGAMERS are the ones who create e-sports foremost. Without them, there is no e-sport. Automatons deliver games for money. Progamers do their absolute best to win because they want to win. Not because someone tells them they have to try their best to win here and there because fans ordered a game, we set a schedule and a game needs to be delivered so they get money for that. To punish a progamer like that, over such a TRIVIAL issue, is to harm E-sports. It's more like mindlessly punishing a "child" for a minor disobedience, not to mention when the child is basicly correct, just to vainly display a violent enforcment of obedience. Do you really want progamers to be like, let's say waiters in a restaurant bringing you cheeseburgers and fries ? | ||
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