Correct Mr. Chae Statement - Page 15

On December 15 2011 04:28 m0ck wrote:

That's a pretty interesting point. The 'honor-code' can be seen as a way of controlling what players expect to receive from their many hours of training and dedication. We know that a lot of korean players receive only food and a place to live as their compensation for being on a SC2 team and for playing the game full time. They may not even qualify as professional in the sense that we usually use the term. "Following an occupation as a means of livelihood". The honorable thing is to shut up and train hard and be professional. Always do your best. Don't question your superiors. Don't rock the boat. And so forth. But that's probably for another thread.

On December 15 2011 04:23 Stipulation wrote:
A statement is forth coming

http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212324&cid=0&kind=1

By Fidoii Quote

54mins ago

His Code S seed from MLG was declined as a backlash to recent events.
He is still qualified to play in GSL Jan code A prelims.

People are throwing it out of proportions because the first message came from a Korean news reporter who attempted to interpret and translate Mr.Chae's message into English on his twitter. He used the word "banned" instead of "declined" so many foreigners (on both sides) thought Naniwa was banned from the entire Season 1 tournament when in fact, only his "invitation" was declined.

Naniwa is still qualified to participate in the GSL prelims, it's his choice whether he wants to or not (Personally I think if he truly doesn't give a f*** about anyone or anything besides winning then he will).

This said person (who will not be named here) then delete d the message on his twitter after causing an uproar. I've contacted an actual GomTV employee who told me an official statement from GomTV will be released tomorrow directed to the foreign community to clear up misunderstandings.

I followed the entire thing since the flame started (when Naniwa probe rushed) and the above is what I have observed over the course of the last 36 hours. Sorry for any typos and thanks for reading.



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713

On December 15 2011 04:29 hypercube wrote:


They probably have a legal right. They independently may or may not have a moral right. But there's always a nagging feeling that they are being somewhat arbitrary and that their invitations might be revoked unexpectedly.

Actually, I might even go back on what I said before. Maybe their invitation IS a privilege. Whether that's a good thing for GOM or not is another question.

On December 15 2011 04:31 Presidenten wrote:
bad translations are killing e-sports... for real

On December 15 2011 04:26 Peleus wrote:
God I can't believe how retarded some TL users are being about this.

a) Naniwa clearly deliberately threw the game. Right or wrong aside can we all at least agree on that? Sending 7 probes to your base is not going to win, I know it, you know it, a silver leaguer knows it. Compounded with looking bored, hand on chin, there shouldn't even be questions about whether he threw the game or not. Therefore discussions along the lines of 'bad stratergies can get you banned from GSL' are fairly stupid. Yes there is a level of subjectivity, yes we should always be able to agree Naniwa wasn't using a bad stratergy, he was throwing the game.

b) Discussions relating to the contractual giving of Naniwa a spot etc are also pretty clear. Yes he was awarded a spot, yes he was going to be going. He was specifically removed due to the rule relating to offending the audience / BM. Therefore due to violating the rules he has been removed. There is no 'they never gave him the spot he contractually must have', but rather it was given and lost due to rule violation.

c) The quote from Mr Chae is explaining the motivation behind the decision, but it seems some people are having trouble understanding it. GOM defines a pro gamer as someone who wants to win no matter what is on the line in a competition like this on the world stage. They are also there to entertain the crowd. There is more to a progamer than simply their skill level. As a result the progamer Naniwa was invited, but because of his BM and clear lack of adherence to the values that define a gamer the person behind the keyboard isn't welcome and has been removed under the previously mentioned rules. As far as they are concerned 'Naniwa' the pro gamer doesn't exist.

TL;DR - Don't be a dick and realise at this level there is more to progaming than simply skill level, but entertaining and maintaining a minimum ethical standard. If you can't do that than you're not going to be welcome in some competitions. Behind GOM 100%.

On December 15 2011 04:31 Kuni wrote:
Are they implying that a mere amateur price money hunter was able to destroy Nestea (twice) and MVP?
Guess that would make Naniwa my favourite amateur price money hunter to date then !
I cannot really believe that this has been translated properly :D

On December 15 2011 04:30 truemafia wrote:
He went to korea to play GSL hosted by Koreans.
Korean culture is to play your best every game regardless of wins/losses.
He should know that there were other progamers who were better than him that did not get invited to the blizz cup.
I don't know whether to remove the code s seed was right or wrong morally based on one game, but Naniwa did cause enough problems for Gom to make this decision so I don't buy into that Gom making a 'bs decision.'

On December 15 2011 04:21 MayorITC wrote:


So basically the 100s of fans in the MLG LR know the clauses of the contract between MLG and GSL better than Mr. Chae who is claiming that the 2012 Code S spot was being "given" rather than earned?

The reason everyone believed that Naniwa earned a Code S spot was because they ASSUMED that the MLG/GSL exchange program would continue throughout 2012. Apparently, it does not according to the GomTV. MLG can't really vouch for you either since they don't seem to be sure about it yet either.


(Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713&currentpage=226#4510)

Apparently there is a need to argue since random people like you think they know everything when the most-informed authorities are saying a different message.

On December 15 2011 04:32 MayorITC wrote:
Naniwa NEVER had a Code S spot.

Please stop using the terms revoke, qualified, or anything else that insinuates he has/had a Code S spot. He was considered as a candidate for one of the two Code S foreigner invites.

On December 15 2011 04:32 MayorITC wrote:
Naniwa NEVER had a Code S spot.

Please stop using the terms revoke, qualified, or anything else that insinuates he has/had a Code S spot. He was considered as a candidate for one of the two Code S foreigner invites.

On December 15 2011 04:26 Peleus wrote:
God I can't believe how retarded some TL users are being about this.

a) Naniwa clearly deliberately threw the game. Right or wrong aside can we all at least agree on that? Sending 7 probes to your base is not going to win, I know it, you know it, a silver leaguer knows it.