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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 01:34 Xax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:33 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 Namu wrote:On December 15 2011 01:25 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:[quote] so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment? the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol I think you're missing the point though. It's not all about rules. In the end, code S was an "invite." Naniwa acted very unprofessionaly in blizzard cup, so gomtv decided to revoke that invite. Just like naniwa had the right to not play the game vs nestea, gomtv has the right to revoke the invite. I can see how this may seem ridiculous to foreigners, but as a Korean, I don't think it is. Respect is extremely important in Korea, especially when relating to professionalism. to my knowledge it wasnt an invite? mlg was a qualfier to code s and code a? Slasher confirmed that it wasn't the case.
so is slasher a reliable source? i dont know this guy. i thought he was someone who just puts fuel on the fire in drama cases to his own gains?
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On December 15 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:34 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 Namu wrote:On December 15 2011 01:25 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:
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you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D)
also you dont ban someone for looking bored
this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment? the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol I think you're missing the point though. It's not all about rules. In the end, code S was an "invite." Naniwa acted very unprofessionaly in blizzard cup, so gomtv decided to revoke that invite. Just like naniwa had the right to not play the game vs nestea, gomtv has the right to revoke the invite. I can see how this may seem ridiculous to foreigners, but as a Korean, I don't think it is. Respect is extremely important in Korea, especially when relating to professionalism. to my knowledge it wasnt an invite? mlg was a qualfier to code s and code a? Slasher confirmed that it wasn't the case. Again, slasher lied. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713¤tpage=208#4154
Woah MLG and GSL lying to save face... wtf?
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All I can think is how I payed good money for the tournament, in part to see Nestea and Naniwa clash. Then I wait for hours to see this game. Then Naniwa pissed all over my money and time because he cannot suck it up and play a 15 minutes game.
On the other side, Gom are doing their best to enforce hard rules and to ensure tournaments get better and better each time and to protect my interests.
To conclude, if anything, these kinds of decisions from Gom should make you realize how serious they are and to thrust them more and want even more so subscribe and support them. I mean, do you even realize how many efforts did they make to give cheap and easy (compared to going through code A qualifiers) good spots to foreigners.
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Not only is it a good call and a fair decision, it's also divine justice and karma and shit. Naniwa had it coming.
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Poll: Should Idra be banned from MOST competitions?I think neither deserves to be punished (60) 51% I think only Naniwa deserves to be punished (31) 26% I think Naniwa and Idra should be punished (15) 13% I think only Idra deserves to be punished (12) 10% 118 total votes Your vote: Should Idra be banned from MOST competitions? (Vote): I think Naniwa and Idra should be punished
(Vote): I think only Naniwa deserves to be punished
(Vote): I think only Idra deserves to be punished
(Vote): I think neither deserves to be punished
Given that Idra has been shown to be BM in many competitions (MLG, NASL etc), and has shown abusive and unprofessional behaviour at various points in his career, should he also be punished?
Is it right to punish Naniwa for what he did simply because it's in Korea, or should Idra also be punished by various leagues (per league) for his actions in each league?
You can agree with either point of view, neither, or both.
Just wondering whether people think Naniwa should be punished for being Naniwa, for doing this in Korea, or because it should be a general rule used by ALL competitions, both Korean and foreigner, that BM or abusive behaviour should be punished.
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On December 15 2011 01:36 Xax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 01:34 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 Namu wrote:On December 15 2011 01:25 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:
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Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment? the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol I think you're missing the point though. It's not all about rules. In the end, code S was an "invite." Naniwa acted very unprofessionaly in blizzard cup, so gomtv decided to revoke that invite. Just like naniwa had the right to not play the game vs nestea, gomtv has the right to revoke the invite. I can see how this may seem ridiculous to foreigners, but as a Korean, I don't think it is. Respect is extremely important in Korea, especially when relating to professionalism. to my knowledge it wasnt an invite? mlg was a qualfier to code s and code a? Slasher confirmed that it wasn't the case. Again, slasher lied. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713¤tpage=208#4154 How do you explain that there were neither Code A seeds nor Korean Invites?
Wait is this true? Can someone confirm this?
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On December 15 2011 01:34 dawnstone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:29 BlitzerSC wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game if i was in naniwas position id request for a walkover, if not id drink 10 cups of coffee and get some food poisioning or some shit. because a player never wants to act serious in a game. because if he loses people think he played bad and serious, and if he wins, people know his build order. its a lose lose situation for a player to get into a situation where he has to play a televised game that doesnt matter You should probably watch some real sports, especially soccer. Do you see players of a team that got eliminated in the champions league that have to play the last match just sits on the field ?? No, they try to play as better as they can even if they are playing against Barcelona/Milan/Inter ecc. No they play with their B-team instead....... Pointless point you are trying to make. Since the players have something to gain from these games they can improve their chances for a spot in the staring line up for the next game, and some of them might even have salaries depending on how many games they play. So dont make retarded arguments please since Naniwa had nothing to gain from that game.
sure naniwa had nothing to gain, but what about the people who paid to see the games? gomtv is not going to let naniwa shit on the people who paid to be entertained by their tickets lol
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On December 15 2011 01:35 XRaDiiX wrote:
Based on the Actions GomTV took i guess its ok to ban people for 6 pool or Manner Mule kk
Making up rules as you go along extremely unprofessional by Mr Chae.... i don't know what to say about rash harsh decision to ban NaNiwa this is huge mistake considering players are free to to whatever strategy they see fit...
As I have said before, this rule already existed, just not on paper.
And even if that probe-all-in was a strategy, he gave no effort to try to pull it off, which is evident with his hand on his chin instead of keyboard.
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On December 15 2011 01:36 CinnaBuns wrote:
Nani got what was coming. He got banned for one season. It's fairly standard for sporting organizations to have similar "standards of conduct" rules (see NFL) and similar punishments. It's also common for any company you work for to have a standards of conduct document that's over 20 pages long. Life goes on. For those of you raging about the injustice of his dismissal, good luck dealing with the rest of the real world.
The only injustice that took place are random foreigners being handed free code S spots that others (foreigner or Korean) have worked so hard for.
Naniwa didn't even break any 'standards of conduct' rules.
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On December 15 2011 01:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:33 Zandar wrote:On December 15 2011 01:29 BlitzerSC wrote:
You should probably watch some real sports, especially soccer. Do you see players of a team that got eliminated in the champions league that have to play the last match just sits on the field ?? No, they try to play as better as they can even if they are playing against Barcelona/Milan/Inter ecc. They usually play with B team players in such a case But they still play and those B-teamers still try to win, unlike Nani.
How can you compare that? B-teamers play for alot... the better they do the higher chance for makeing it into A-team. Those games are there chance to prove themself....
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I'll be honest, I was pretty disappointed to hear that NaNiwa was out of Code S, but I really like SEn. Seeing him in Korea is pretty awesome, and I'm not complaining. NaNiwa and other foreigners need to realize that in Korea, they actually take bad mannerisms very seriously (Byun vs CoCa anybody?) and any attempt to avoid BM should be taken.
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On December 15 2011 01:34 dawnstone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:29 BlitzerSC wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game if i was in naniwas position id request for a walkover, if not id drink 10 cups of coffee and get some food poisioning or some shit. because a player never wants to act serious in a game. because if he loses people think he played bad and serious, and if he wins, people know his build order. its a lose lose situation for a player to get into a situation where he has to play a televised game that doesnt matter You should probably watch some real sports, especially soccer. Do you see players of a team that got eliminated in the champions league that have to play the last match just sits on the field ?? No, they try to play as better as they can even if they are playing against Barcelona/Milan/Inter ecc. No they play with their B-team instead....... Pointless point you are trying to make. Since the players have something to gain from these games they can improve their chances for a spot in the staring line up for the next game, and some of them might even have salaries depending on how many games they play. So dont make retarded arguments please since Naniwa had nothing to gain from that game.
Nani was playing fucking Nestea. Hell, even if you don't consider his opponent, there is ALWAYS something to gain from making a good showing.
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On December 15 2011 01:35 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:34 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:33 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:31 Namu wrote:On December 15 2011 01:25 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:
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you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D)
also you dont ban someone for looking bored
this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment? the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol I think you're missing the point though. It's not all about rules. In the end, code S was an "invite." Naniwa acted very unprofessionaly in blizzard cup, so gomtv decided to revoke that invite. Just like naniwa had the right to not play the game vs nestea, gomtv has the right to revoke the invite. I can see how this may seem ridiculous to foreigners, but as a Korean, I don't think it is. Respect is extremely important in Korea, especially when relating to professionalism. to my knowledge it wasnt an invite? mlg was a qualfier to code s and code a? Slasher confirmed that it wasn't the case. Again, slasher lied. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294713¤tpage=208#4154
Bunch of 'news posts' or liquidpedia page confirms nothing.
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On December 15 2011 01:36 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:33 S_SienZ wrote:On December 15 2011 01:30 ptrpb wrote:On December 15 2011 01:27 S_SienZ wrote:On December 15 2011 01:25 sekritzzz wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 S_SienZ wrote:
If Naniwa didn't sign anything with the GSL, then he isn't entitled to [sue for] his spot.
GSL-MLG exchange program is a contract between those two parties. Naniwa as a 3rd party shouldn't have a claim unless MLG is willing to back him up.
Just to throw it out there to the people saying Naniwa should sue. Actually he can sue. If MLG promises to give him a Code S spot which he earns due to ranking or whatever else, he is entitled to it by law. Maybe not from GOM, but MLG has to provide it for him or they can liable. LOL. Promises alone are not enforceable by law. Otherwise you'd get a major legal clusterfuck in the world. That's why you have contracts. Look up Promissory Estopel, if a party has made significant sacrifices that are unchangeable and grave enough. The promisor can be sued for not following through. It's rarely rewarded because the requirements are really specific and it probably wouldn't be enforced in this case, but I just wanted to let you know that you're wrong  I also know that promissory estoppel can only be used as a shield and never a sword. You can't use it to claim something, only to defend what you already have. If you know that then you don't need to run around TL stating blatant lies and over-exaggeration. If you have the knowledge, use it. We don't need more people saying things that aren't true around here
wut?
I'm just explaining to you that promissory estoppel wouldn't apply for Naniwa here, to reaffirm my 1st post. Blatant lies and over-exaggeration? I'm confused.
EDIT: Look at the part which you bolded again. Promises alone are not enforceable by law.
Look up Promissory Estopel, if a party has made significant sacrifices that are unchangeable and grave enough. The promisor can be sued for not following through.
See the difference? What lies have I spreaded?
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On December 15 2011 01:37 Lonyo wrote:Poll: Should Idra be banned from MOST competitions?I think neither deserves to be punished (60) 51% I think only Naniwa deserves to be punished (31) 26% I think Naniwa and Idra should be punished (15) 13% I think only Idra deserves to be punished (12) 10% 118 total votes Your vote: Should Idra be banned from MOST competitions? (Vote): I think Naniwa and Idra should be punished
(Vote): I think only Naniwa deserves to be punished
(Vote): I think only Idra deserves to be punished
(Vote): I think neither deserves to be punished
Given that Idra has been shown to be BM in many competitions (MLG, NASL etc), and has shown abusive and unprofessional behaviour at various points in his career, should he also be punished? Is it right to punish Naniwa for what he did simply because it's in Korea, or should Idra also be punished by various leagues (per league) for his actions in each league? You can agree with either point of view, neither, or both. used by ALL competitions, both Korean and foreigner.
why does this have to do the idra?
idra tries his best and starts bming and complaining about protoss imba after he loses
naniwa derped in a major gsl game and got called out for that
pretty different bro
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On December 15 2011 01:35 XRaDiiX wrote:
Based on the Actions GomTV took i guess its ok to ban people for 6 pool or Manner Mule kk
Making up rules as you go along extremely unprofessional by Mr Chae.... i don't know what to say about rash harsh decision to ban NaNiwa this is huge mistake considering players are free to to whatever strategy they see fit...
You have repeated the same argument once every 3 pages. We all get it. If your so angry and can't contribute to discussion other than repeating your points, then why not just not watch GSL at all?
But don't post here that your not going to support GSL. With all due respect, nobody cares.
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On December 15 2011 01:28 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:25 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment? the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol again, how is match making not breaking any rules?
Its so funnt, that you KNOW that a 7 probe rush is = match fixing and that NaNi wanted to loose that game. He didnt want to play it, but you have no reason to say he wanted to LOSE it. And calling it matchfixing is quite pathetic, matchfixing is when you fix a match for money (or some other reason), not that you just dont want to play a meaningless game.
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On December 15 2011 01:28 Waste wrote:
This is just WRONG seriously, zero compassion. Just a all out terrible decision this also makes the GSL such a worse show in my opinion.
The RIGHT decision would have been a warning, GSL just lost a huge chunk of respect, Mr Chae better yourself please or please find someone else more up for the job with any sense at all.
So little respect for Nani, think about all the hours he put down (actually one of the most hardworking people in the entire community). People at the GSL should think about this community as a modern one, let's face it we love that bm and shit. This is not Brood War.
NANIWA FIGHTING <3
if he is so hardworking, why throw away a match against top of the world players then?
and wrong, no one loves bm and "shit".
the aim of sc2 is to get as big and popular as BW so i completely disagree...
talking about respect when a player obviously doesn't respect either the tournament, his opponent or the fans eagerly waiting for the match.
but a typical fanboy won't understand such things i guess :/
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On December 15 2011 01:32 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:25 sekritzzz wrote:On December 15 2011 01:23 S_SienZ wrote:
If Naniwa didn't sign anything with the GSL, then he isn't entitled to [sue for] his spot.
GSL-MLG exchange program is a contract between those two parties. Naniwa as a 3rd party shouldn't have a claim unless MLG is willing to back him up.
Just to throw it out there to the people saying Naniwa should sue. Actually he can sue. If MLG promises to give him a Code S spot which he earns due to ranking or whatever else, he is entitled to it by law. Maybe not from GOM, but MLG has to provide it for him or they can liable. lol, do you really think he would win a law suit against GOM? For one thing, he did break a rule in that he DID disrespect NesTea. If you don't understand how or why he disrespected NesTea, you just shouldn't post anything on here at all because you don't understand the very basis of the situation. Even if he wouldn't have broken a rule, I'm sure it's quite legal for GOM to ban a player for reasons they find suitable. "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" "We Uphold Our Right To Refuse Service To Anyone" signs can be found at stores all over. The same can be said by GOM. They don't have to sit around and be belittled by some foreigner punk. If MLG were to sue GOM, then the very most could happen is GOM would let MLG send a new player instead of NaNiWa. NaNi would get absolutely nothing out of a lawsuit. Which is why I would LOVE to see NaNi file one against GOM. I'll grab my bag of popcorn and watch as he makes an even bigger fool of himself.
Before lecturing people about whether they should or shouldn't post on TL, maybe you should read the actual translation of Gom's rule from the Koreans posting here. It isn't disrespecting the Audience/player (nestea). Its Threatening the audience player.
Not to mention that bomber mass scans/mules, Nada self-nuke, or ogsMC's actions in general were all disrespect to their "opponents". Why wasn't the rule applied if you really want to use the disrespect factor?
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Doesn't surprise me GSL are protecting themselves it's still sad for naniwa, even though what he did was stupid and heated he deserved that code S spot.
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