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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:09 XRaDiiX wrote: A person made a good point a few pages ago about why NaNiwa shouldn't be punished you should probably see it... it makes perfect Sense A person made a good point a few pages ago about why NaNiwa should be punished you should probably see it... it makes perfect Sense | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:05 hypercube wrote: Stop kidding yourself. GOM didn't care if Naniwa wanted to win or not. They were pissed because he didn't give them the show they wanted. If they played it like the showmatch GOM wouldn't have complained. They were annoyed about the lack of entertainment not that Naniwa "didn't want to win". I'm glad that we have an insider from GOM to tell us what GOM is thinking. Please make all these assumptions about everything and use it to support your irrational hatred. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote: you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:08 JiPrime wrote: What people like you don't realize that it was the ATTITUDE and the METHOD of the player that made him cross the line, not the deed. Come on, so the rules are going to be based around the attitude of the player? Can we make it any more subjective? How about we ban people based on whether we feel they really like SC2 or are just playing for the money. | ||
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Sylailene
91 Posts
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schI2ler
129 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:07 diophan wrote: So abstract = you can't throw games on purpose? Is that really a high level of abstraction? What was the reason for his ban then? The "we ll 1base all in for 2 seasons every single game"? The "i only build marines for 1 season"? The "i ll 6 pool against a terran on a big map and cross my fingers"-strategists? This is a double standart, and the only reason he got banned is cause gom can't stand the heat... At least be that objectif... thats the least you should do | ||
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eteran
Germany83 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:06 diophan wrote: I've seen someone win a GSL match after 6pooling (I think it was July). Have you ever seen anyone win with a probe rush in GSL, or even in a league higher than bronze? Nope, so it doesn't have the same chance of winning. I said 7 Pool vs. Terran for a reason. Make it 8 Pool or 9 Pool if you wish. | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:05 NHY wrote: Keep reading and you'll find this Did that also happen in Providence? No. So there was no MLG-GSL exchange in Providence. How can so many people miss this? You'd know just from reading it that it is impossible to apply it to providence since there are no championship pools, By @Ethan_Ahn 가장 중요한 건.. NaNiwa는 GSL 예선을 통해 코드A에 출전할 수 있습니다. #SC2 #GSL Translation : The important thing is.. NaNiwa can still participate in a Code A through GSL preliminary. To clarify, NaNiwa was one of those who were considered to earn Code S seeds, but it was IdrA and Sen who is coming for #GSL Jan. @Nic_Millar No baned. it's Misunderstanding! NaNi is Missed the opportunity to Code S. Why people keep saying that GOM made harsh decision about what NaNiwa had done? First of all, MLG has nothing to do with NaNiwa being awarded Code S seed. Blizzard Cup had given Nani an opportunity to earn Code S seed, then sponsor decided not to because of what he did in his game. Besides NaNiwa still can participate Code A in GSL by getting through preliminary. It wasn't right thing for GomTV to bend the rule to suit NaNiwa's situation (since Nani didn't technically break the rule), that's not the point here. GomTV is trying their best to make foreigners participate in GSL and revise the format so that the result of the game is mostly based on skill rather than luck. (There are already plan for 2012 GSL with revised format which you can check at here <- no english version yet) srry about my bad english. | ||
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
 He respects the game and competes according to their rules; Nani didn't. It's unfortunate that this situation happened. I wonder when we will hear a response from Naniwa. I can't imagine what the person who broke this news to him felt like. =( | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:06 Shinta) wrote: Honestly, as blind as you might be to it, if GOM didn't punish NaNiWa for his actions, then most Korean pro gamers, and most Korean fans would have trampled all over GOM with so much criticism that GOM would have had to have come out with a public apology and then punished NaNiWa later, or make super strict rules about match throwing. Just because you're an idiot and can't realize the justifications GOM has for doing this, you and the other senseless idiots who will protest against GOM are nothing compared to the protests that would have happened and actually made a huge impact against GOM if GOM hadn't punished NaNiWa. So basically what you're saying is that we should be saying "Fuck Koreans" and not "Fuck GOM"? That seems ridiculous. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:07 kazie wrote: nah what naniwa did was 0%. if you watched the vod you would agree.. I saw the game live, I can't remember the last time I laughed so much watching a GSL game. I knew they would not take it well, but I didn't expect them to bring out torches. | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
actually the correct translation to the rule is threaten the audience/players. i hope a mod corrects it because several koreans have come out and said this, | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:08 JiPrime wrote: What people like you don't realize that it was the ATTITUDE and the METHOD of the player that made him cross the line, not the deed. Maybe that's the problem. It reveals that they value "entertainment" over competition. It's their tournament so they can if they want to. But they will get called out on their bs about "respect". | ||
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SnoLys
149 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:59 Derez wrote: Can the thread title be renamed? Seeing how Slasher (MLG representative and all) has stated that Nani wasn't actually awarded a code S slot for his providence performance, a more accurate title would be 'GomTV decides not to invite Naniwa to Code S January'. Is GOM trying to save face or did all this people got it wrong? From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/ Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/ NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:03 schI2ler wrote: He earned that spot in MLG.... SO what is the MLG GOM deal worth? Nothing? I can just say: look you deserve this rank, our fans dont like you, you dont get that spot? MLG loses its reputation. They can never again say their winners get a gsl spot... well maybe they will... mlg doesnt know I guess if you get awarded a spot, you are allowed to do whatever you want in the interim and you have an absolute right to it? GOM has given everyone else their GSL seeds, so don't act like they don't actually fulfill the bargain. | ||
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NGeX
Canada72 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:59 -Archangel- wrote: 6 pooling while the player doesn't actually have his hands on the mouse and keyboard and doing something to win should get you banned as well. There is a huge difference between 6 pooling and probe rushing. A probe rush is basically suicide for the player doing it because by the time he gets to his opponents base, he will have more workers than the rushers. A 6 pool is not suicide by the player doing it and it CAN be defended by his opponent. Almost all progamers know how do deal with "the famed six pool". 6 pool is a way to test someone's skill, where as probe rushing is lacking skill. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors" So if this is true and Gom Sticks to the rule they enforced against Naniwa that means bomber should be banned from Code S/A for doing Mule Drops at end of Games... Double Standard GomTV Shame on them. They are making up rules as they go along; to go as they see fit. They are not being fair to NaNiwa | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:11 SimDawg wrote: Come on, so the rules are going to be based around the attitude of the player? Can we make it any more subjective? How about we ban people based on whether we feel they really like SC2 or are just playing for the money. IMO, if you're JUST playing for the money then you're not qualified to participate in GSL at all. If you are a professional, then you should play to WIN in a fair manner, within the rules. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:10 JiPrime wrote: He certainly has offended me, and plenty of others to warrant this punishment. Just as Hero offended you when he played like garbage the last game? or is it okay cause he build one more building then naniwa? | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:10 Xax wrote: Scumbag GSL Haters: "not gonna watch GSL again" "watch free stream and follow LR" haha Anyone intelligent enough can just get the VODs from some place else. Sup GOM, I'm getting GSL without giving you anything, not even a free stream view. | ||
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