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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 01:13 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:12 SnoLys wrote:On December 15 2011 00:59 Derez wrote:
Can the thread title be renamed?
Seeing how Slasher (MLG representative and all) has stated that Nani wasn't actually awarded a code S slot for his providence performance, a more accurate title would be 'GomTV decides not to invite Naniwa to Code S January'. Is GOM trying to save face or did all this people got it wrong? From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionUltimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recapOver the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providenceNaniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-hukNaniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot. Fantastic quotes. Someone go be a hardass journalist and ask Slasher some of his own questions.
I tweeted him, he didn't respond *sad face*
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On December 15 2011 01:12 SnoLys wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:59 Derez wrote:
Can the thread title be renamed?
Seeing how Slasher (MLG representative and all) has stated that Nani wasn't actually awarded a code S slot for his providence performance, a more accurate title would be 'GomTV decides not to invite Naniwa to Code S January'. Is GOM trying to save face or did all this people got it wrong? From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionShow nested quote +Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recapShow nested quote +Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providenceShow nested quote +Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/Show nested quote +Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-hukShow nested quote +Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/Show nested quote +NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot.
They got it wrong.
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On December 15 2011 01:05 FrankWalls wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:04 Biane wrote:On December 15 2011 01:02 Phaint wrote:
How many free opportunities at GSL does Naniwa really deserve though? Hasn't he been in 2 Code A's, World Tournament, GSTL and Blizzard Cup now? He has NO results from any of these tournaments. I'm not sure he even deserves Code S in the first place. Stop handing out opportunities to the SAME person to flop. I like Naniwa but I also like this decision regardless of this week's drama. http://www.gomtv.net/records/playerInfo.gom?option=view&playerid=239561W12L..... why do people use this as an argument? the ban had nothing to do with his previous performances in gsl. this wasn't about his play at all so why bring it up?
we bring it up because he should be grateful he gets a spot at all, GOM doesn't HAVE to give naniwa a spot you know...
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On December 15 2011 01:13 Laids wrote:
The whole Naniwa situation was absurd to begin with, it has now reached critical levels of stupid.
Totaly agree Gom TV must just have gotten a total brainfart....
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On December 15 2011 01:13 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:10 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 gruff wrote:On December 15 2011 01:06 OFCORPSE wrote:On December 15 2011 01:03 papaz wrote:
God, I'd love to make a list of all the people going "not gonna watch GSL again" and then say hi to you guys in the LR of next GSL. Can still follow the live report thread even if you don't intend to pay for it. You can still follow the free stream. I don't get how people are not aware of this simple fact (not you). Scumbag GSL Haters: "not gonna watch GSL again" "watch free stream and follow LR" haha Anyone intelligent enough can just get the VODs from some place else. Sup GOM, I'm getting GSL without giving you anything, not even a free stream view.
Yeah, have fun not watching GSL then 
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Did Nestea with his fuckin a lot prize money whole GOM and kicked Naniwa or what?
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Just dont lose games on purpose and you dont get in trouble I dont see whats so hard to understand.
And Naniwa didnt earn or deserve the spot anyway.
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How can anyone possibly diss GOM over this?
The guy intentionally gave a "f*** off" to the fans that were watching, to the organizers, to the opponent, and to his own team.
The organizer decided they don't want to help him anymore, why would they? Fin.
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If the rule is really that vague, I can assume that, since its not defined further, "Audience" is any spectator watching at the time. Am I then to understand that if at any point anyone is offended by a players actions this rule will come into play? Is 1000 people saying they were offended by a certain player enough to get them punished? What about 100? Is it only people who pay GOM who get to be "Audience"?
Rules based on touchy-feely and socially determined factors lead to impossible situations, like we have here. How is a player to follow the rules if they have to assume multiple factors of them, and those assumptions are usually based on social factors and upbringing?
If anything its the rules that need to be properly defined and worked out with representatives from multiple sides of the board.
Edit: In addition, as far as I know they are players and competitors, not entertainers. They should not have any obligation to produce content for GOM or anyone. The players and their competition should be the focus, not the audience, sponsors or Tournament Organizers.
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Tournaments need to be more vigilant to make sure that meaningless games don't happen. Straight (single, double, triple) elimination is not just the most obvious tournament format but also the most practical, and any deviation from that format needs to be very carefully designed. GSL's format is bad and both they and their payed viewers are paying for it.
Having participated in the Super Smash Brothers competitive scene, I will say for 100% certain that there is a humongous difference between a random friendly/practice game and a money match - even if all the players put on the line was a few cents, when they're playing for something, anything, both players put on their best performance they can muster.
A small prize purse per individual match won in the GSL might be a temporary band-aid for the problem, given that they're kind of locked into the present format for the time being since they're in the middle of a season. The present solution basically amounts to a purely subjective "you must play with honor!" - which is exactly the kind of rule I spent much of my time crusading against on the SWF back room's ruleset committee.
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On December 15 2011 01:15 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:05 FrankWalls wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 Biane wrote:On December 15 2011 01:02 Phaint wrote:
How many free opportunities at GSL does Naniwa really deserve though? Hasn't he been in 2 Code A's, World Tournament, GSTL and Blizzard Cup now? He has NO results from any of these tournaments. I'm not sure he even deserves Code S in the first place. Stop handing out opportunities to the SAME person to flop. I like Naniwa but I also like this decision regardless of this week's drama. http://www.gomtv.net/records/playerInfo.gom?option=view&playerid=239561W12L..... why do people use this as an argument? the ban had nothing to do with his previous performances in gsl. this wasn't about his play at all so why bring it up? we bring it up because he should be grateful he gets a spot at all, GOM doesn't HAVE to give naniwa a spot you know...
Um, well because of their partnership with MLG, they do. MLG can completely fuck over GSL by getting rid of their partnership for not doing their end of the deal.
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On December 15 2011 01:15 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:11 Sylailene wrote:
Just another example of Koreans trying to act better than everyone else, in an American game at that, what he did wasn't against any rules This is pretty racist, people should not generalize Koreans as such.
like everybody who agree with GOMTV is generalizing sweds right now?
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On December 15 2011 01:15 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:14 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:12 XRaDiiX wrote:"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors" So if this is true and Gom Sticks to the rule they enforced against Naniwa that means bomber should be banned from Code S/A for doing Mule Drops at end of Games... Double Standard GomTV Shame on them. They are making up rules as they go along; to go as they see fit. They are not being fair to NaNiwa They had this kind of rule since the beginning, it was just not on paper because it was so obvious. And no one at the time would have suspected that someone could be THAT stupid to actually pull a Naniwa. Care to elaborate on how Mule Bombs are different than what NaNiwa did by doing a 6 probe rush Strategy.
Because it's a ceremony before winning, like /dance command.
And 6 probe rush is NOT A STRATEGY when you don't even bother to micro the probes to let their shields generate.
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On December 15 2011 01:15 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:12 SnoLys wrote:On December 15 2011 00:59 Derez wrote:
Can the thread title be renamed?
Seeing how Slasher (MLG representative and all) has stated that Nani wasn't actually awarded a code S slot for his providence performance, a more accurate title would be 'GomTV decides not to invite Naniwa to Code S January'. Is GOM trying to save face or did all this people got it wrong? From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionUltimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recapOver the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providenceNaniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-programPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-hukNaniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot. They got it wrong.
Sure... if they all had it wrong dont you think GOM would have said something before today???
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While I can see where some of the fans are coming from and saying that with this decision that they will not support the GSL because of this decision, he did need to take some sort of punishment. Players need to stop thinking only about themselves and at least put on a good show. Yeah I know it won't matter and they won't be showing their good strats or even be trying but, it's not the point. They need to start getting their brand out there and more specifically the brand of their sponsors, who spent money getting him there. Hopefully this will allow him to grow more mature and he can learn from this experience.
But stop all the hate!
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On December 15 2011 01:15 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:05 FrankWalls wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 Biane wrote:On December 15 2011 01:02 Phaint wrote:
How many free opportunities at GSL does Naniwa really deserve though? Hasn't he been in 2 Code A's, World Tournament, GSTL and Blizzard Cup now? He has NO results from any of these tournaments. I'm not sure he even deserves Code S in the first place. Stop handing out opportunities to the SAME person to flop. I like Naniwa but I also like this decision regardless of this week's drama. http://www.gomtv.net/records/playerInfo.gom?option=view&playerid=239561W12L..... why do people use this as an argument? the ban had nothing to do with his previous performances in gsl. this wasn't about his play at all so why bring it up? we bring it up because he should be grateful he gets a spot at all, GOM doesn't HAVE to give naniwa a spot you know...
but when did he ever seem ungrateful for getting the code S spot? he qualified for it and it has nothing to do with the situation. it doesnt matter what his feelings where. it doesnt matter that he had a bad record previous. all that matters is the rule in question and the incident itself. bringing up outside facts is irrelevant and clutters up this thread (which is already a huge CF anyways)
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List of what GOM/Mr Chae is (as according to 75% of people here): Elitist, Racist, Communist, Double standards, Liars, Slander, KESPA 2.0 - what else?
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lol im guessin majority of the ppl who says theyre not gonna watch gsl, will watch gsl.
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On December 15 2011 01:16 Xax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:13 ptrpb wrote:On December 15 2011 01:10 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 gruff wrote:On December 15 2011 01:06 OFCORPSE wrote:On December 15 2011 01:03 papaz wrote:
God, I'd love to make a list of all the people going "not gonna watch GSL again" and then say hi to you guys in the LR of next GSL. Can still follow the live report thread even if you don't intend to pay for it. You can still follow the free stream. I don't get how people are not aware of this simple fact (not you). Scumbag GSL Haters: "not gonna watch GSL again" "watch free stream and follow LR" haha Anyone intelligent enough can just get the VODs from some place else. Sup GOM, I'm getting GSL without giving you anything, not even a free stream view. Yeah, have fun not watching GSL then
You seem to be misunderstanding. One can watch the VODs without paying GOM or watching the free stream.
That's my plan.
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NesTea says "I'll crush him easily" when asked how he would do against NaNiwa, NaNiwa proceeds to shake his hand before the match, so unprofessional, bad mannered, amateur money hungry of him.
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