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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 01:17 Pr0spect wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Syg73.png) NesTea says "I'll crush him easily" when asked how he would do against NaNiwa, NaNiwa proceeds to shake his hand before the match, so unprofessional, bad mannered, amateur money hungry of him.
What does this have to do with anything?
It sucks for Naniwa, but it's not like GOM hasn't set a precedent for these things. Can anyone name a player who has done something wrong and not been punished.
Byun/Coca? Punished by their teams before GOM could.
Choya? Banned from playing in the GSTL.
Naniwa? His Code S spot taken away, but not banned and allowed to qualify the hard way.
If Naniwa is Code S class, he'll at least make it through the Code A qualifiers, so I don't know why people are worried. If Naniwa is worthy of Code S, we'll see him again, for the fourth time, in Code A in January.
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On December 15 2011 01:17 iG.Forever wrote:
lol im guessin majority of the ppl who says theyre not gonna watch gsl, will watch gsl.
I think people are saying they're not gonna pay for gsl.
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On December 15 2011 01:11 eteran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:06 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 eteran wrote:On December 15 2011 00:55 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 00:53 eteran wrote:
If Naniwa was Zerg and would have been 7 Pooling a Terran, would he have lost his Code S spot? because this matters why? its quite obvious that he wasn't trying, his hand wasn't even on his keyboard the entire game beside the first 1-a move It matters because it has the same chance of winning and is a strategy that decides the game quickly. Yes, taking his hands off was over the top, agreed. But Naniwa was not raised in a culture where you're not supposed to show any emotions. He was very disappointed about losing the first three games so close - and they all all-inned him - what led to him showing emotions. I've seen someone win a GSL match after 6pooling (I think it was July). Have you ever seen anyone win with a probe rush in GSL, or even in a league higher than bronze? Nope, so it doesn't have the same chance of winning. I said 7 Pool vs. Terran for a reason. Make it 8 Pool or 9 Pool if you wish.
IdrA 6 pooled Jinro in the GSL. It was a close game.
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On December 15 2011 01:17 schI2ler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:12 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 01:03 schI2ler wrote:On December 15 2011 01:01 Shinta) wrote:On December 15 2011 00:51 Naeroon wrote:Can somebody answer a quick Q I got about this situation? I know it says that NaNiWa is only kicked out of a single season. But it also says his Code S seed is revoked - does this mean that his Code S seed is revoked only for a single season, or is it COMPLETELY revoked and he has to completely earn it back? Thanks in advance  He is no longer Code S, period. He earned that spot in MLG.... SO what is the MLG GOM deal worth? Nothing? I can just say: look you deserve this rank, our fans dont like you, you dont get that spot? MLG loses its reputation. They can never again say their winners get a gsl spot... well maybe they will... mlg doesnt know I guess if you get awarded a spot, you are allowed to do whatever you want in the interim and you have an absolute right to it? GOM has given everyone else their GSL seeds, so don't act like they don't actually fulfill the bargain. Actually i think exactly that. If i get awarded a spot, and I take it, it is MY spot. And if I want to put on a pink chicken dress and dance the shuffle while this match happens, I should be able to do it, because i earned that spot. It is MINE, garantueed by a contract.
I'm pretty sure a contract will state that the organisers will be able to take it away from you if they want. So ........
I don't understand why everyone has such a sense of entitlement to everything.
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On December 15 2011 01:18 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:17 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:15 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:12 XRaDiiX wrote:"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors" So if this is true and Gom Sticks to the rule they enforced against Naniwa that means bomber should be banned from Code S/A for doing Mule Drops at end of Games... Double Standard GomTV Shame on them. They are making up rules as they go along; to go as they see fit. They are not being fair to NaNiwa They had this kind of rule since the beginning, it was just not on paper because it was so obvious. And no one at the time would have suspected that someone could be THAT stupid to actually pull a Naniwa. Care to elaborate on how Mule Bombs are different than what NaNiwa did by doing a 6 probe rush Strategy. Because it's a ceremony before winning, like /dance command. And 6 probe rush is NOT A STRATEGY when you don't even bother to micro the probes to let their shields generate. There is no rules that state how to play the game and what strategy you 'have' to use. So 6 rush probe is actually completely within the rules.
And it's not the strategy that is the issue here.
It's about being earnest and being professional about your job, which is the obvious qualification of participating in GSL, not just your tournament wins and win/loss ratios.
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On December 15 2011 01:17 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:16 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:13 ptrpb wrote:On December 15 2011 01:10 Xax wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 gruff wrote:On December 15 2011 01:06 OFCORPSE wrote:On December 15 2011 01:03 papaz wrote:
God, I'd love to make a list of all the people going "not gonna watch GSL again" and then say hi to you guys in the LR of next GSL. Can still follow the live report thread even if you don't intend to pay for it. You can still follow the free stream. I don't get how people are not aware of this simple fact (not you). Scumbag GSL Haters: "not gonna watch GSL again" "watch free stream and follow LR" haha Anyone intelligent enough can just get the VODs from some place else. Sup GOM, I'm getting GSL without giving you anything, not even a free stream view. Yeah, have fun not watching GSL then You seem to be misunderstanding. One can watch the VODs without paying GOM or watching the free stream. That's my plan.
Is that NOT watching GSL in your opinion?
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I'm backing the GSL on this one.
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On December 15 2011 01:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:16 aderum wrote:On December 15 2011 01:15 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 Sylailene wrote:
Just another example of Koreans trying to act better than everyone else, in an American game at that, what he did wasn't against any rules This is pretty racist, people should not generalize Koreans as such. like everybody who agree with GOMTV is generalizing sweds right now? you see me generalizing with sweds? don't generalize, both of you.
I guess it was stupid answering a generalization with another, but its just so frustrating to see all these post "oh i see... you are swedish". It bugs the hell out of me, it has nothing to do with being swedish, is has to do with being a NaNi fan(or rather on what side you are on).
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51032 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:18 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:17 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:15 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:12 XRaDiiX wrote:"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors" So if this is true and Gom Sticks to the rule they enforced against Naniwa that means bomber should be banned from Code S/A for doing Mule Drops at end of Games... Double Standard GomTV Shame on them. They are making up rules as they go along; to go as they see fit. They are not being fair to NaNiwa They had this kind of rule since the beginning, it was just not on paper because it was so obvious. And no one at the time would have suspected that someone could be THAT stupid to actually pull a Naniwa. Care to elaborate on how Mule Bombs are different than what NaNiwa did by doing a 6 probe rush Strategy. Because it's a ceremony before winning, like /dance command. And 6 probe rush is NOT A STRATEGY when you don't even bother to micro the probes to let their shields generate. There is no rules that state how to play the game and what strategy you 'have' to use. So 6 rush probe is actually completely within the rules.
ok i'll make it simple because its very confusing, basically its "do whatever the fuck you want, but at least try to win regardless of the stakes"
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On December 15 2011 01:17 schI2ler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:12 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 01:03 schI2ler wrote:On December 15 2011 01:01 Shinta) wrote:On December 15 2011 00:51 Naeroon wrote:Can somebody answer a quick Q I got about this situation? I know it says that NaNiWa is only kicked out of a single season. But it also says his Code S seed is revoked - does this mean that his Code S seed is revoked only for a single season, or is it COMPLETELY revoked and he has to completely earn it back? Thanks in advance He is no longer Code S, period. He earned that spot in MLG.... SO what is the MLG GOM deal worth? Nothing? I can just say: look you deserve this rank, our fans dont like you, you dont get that spot? MLG loses its reputation. They can never again say their winners get a gsl spot... well maybe they will... mlg doesnt know I guess if you get awarded a spot, you are allowed to do whatever you want in the interim and you have an absolute right to it? GOM has given everyone else their GSL seeds, so don't act like they don't actually fulfill the bargain. Actually i think exactly that. If i get awarded a spot, and I take it, it is MY spot. And if I want to put on a pink chicken dress and dance the shuffle while this match happens, I should be able to do it, because i earned that spot. It is MINE, garantueed by a contract.
That's what coca thought too....
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Remember you can still cancel your GOM subscriptions.
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I think that what a lot of people here fail to understand is that this is really the only course GOM can take. How could they punish him more moderately? They dont have the power to fine him or sanction him, they only have control over their own content.
Naniwa sabotaged hyped content for them. So many people were caught up in the "thumbs down" drama and were eagerly anticipating the set. Also the fact that other players have done similar things makes this MORE of a problem, not less.
In the end some sort of punishment had to happen and I think naniwa should be apologizing to GOM for forcing their hand. We all mess up and if he accepts responsibility it would do wonders for his image personally and professionally.
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On December 15 2011 01:17 Pr0spect wrote:NesTea says "I'll crush him easily" when asked how he would do against NaNiwa, NaNiwa proceeds to shake his hand before the match, so unprofessional, bad mannered, amateur money hungry of him.
Naniwa is known to be bad mannered only after losing streaks. Seen him playin wc3? I feel like he only changed because he had success. Maybe i'm wrong, but after the bad GSL performance he managed to not gg, now he managed to throw a game.
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On December 15 2011 01:17 Biane wrote:
List of what GOM/Mr Chae is (as according to 75% of people here): Elitist, Racist, Communist, Double standards, Liars, Slander, KESPA 2.0 - what else?
63% of all internet statistics are made up on the spot!
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On December 15 2011 01:20 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:18 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:17 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:15 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:12 XRaDiiX wrote:"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors" So if this is true and Gom Sticks to the rule they enforced against Naniwa that means bomber should be banned from Code S/A for doing Mule Drops at end of Games... Double Standard GomTV Shame on them. They are making up rules as they go along; to go as they see fit. They are not being fair to NaNiwa They had this kind of rule since the beginning, it was just not on paper because it was so obvious. And no one at the time would have suspected that someone could be THAT stupid to actually pull a Naniwa. Care to elaborate on how Mule Bombs are different than what NaNiwa did by doing a 6 probe rush Strategy. Because it's a ceremony before winning, like /dance command. And 6 probe rush is NOT A STRATEGY when you don't even bother to micro the probes to let their shields generate. There is no rules that state how to play the game and what strategy you 'have' to use. So 6 rush probe is actually completely within the rules. And it's not the strategy that is the issue here. It's about being earnest and being professional about your job, which is the obvious qualification of participating in GSL, not just your tournament wins and win/loss ratios.
"Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment"
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This is completely outrageous. I understand that there are cultural differences, but this is just wrong. GOM is not taking any responsibility for running a tournament where completely inconsequential games can occur. I think they should have given him an official warning or something, and then altered the rules for future tournaments to reflect the "no throwing games" policy. But revoking a Code S seed for not not breaking any actual rules?
I'm not saying Naniwa is blameless. I think his actions were a mistake and unprofessional, but I feel like there will be a lot of backlash from this and their subscriber numbers will noticeably suffer. I too will not be purchasing a GSL package.
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On December 15 2011 01:19 Lonyo wrote:
It's going to be fun to see how many players they ban with this rule which bans all-ins and cheeses.
Since it's applicable to Naniwa, it should apply to anyone who does an all-in or cheesy play.
And manner mules and /dance, and BM CCs.
It doesn't ban all-ins or cheesy play, it doesn't ban showmanship. Though the rule itself is made to be ambiguous, it's application seems to be reserved for players showing up and straight up throwing games.
Korea has always had very low tolerance for behavior like this.
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On December 15 2011 01:21 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:17 Biane wrote:
List of what GOM/Mr Chae is (as according to 75% of people here): Elitist, Racist, Communist, Double standards, Liars, Slander, KESPA 2.0 - what else? 63% of all internet statistics are made up on the spot!
Its just a generalization, much like what almost every crappy post in this thread is.
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On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this.
we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament
they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game
if i was in naniwas position id request for a walkover, if not id drink 10 cups of coffee and get some food poisioning or some shit. because a player never wants to act serious in a game. because if he loses people think he played bad and serious, and if he wins, people know his build order. its a lose lose situation for a player to get into a situation where he has to play a televised game that doesnt matter
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