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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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I think its unfortunate that he got banned but it is entirely within GOM's rights. He was invited to play in their tournaments and give his best efforts. If you don't like the format because at a certain point it might be possible for you to not advance even if you win then don't accept the invitation. He may not have broken any rule that GOM has in place right now, but this is how rules are made. People don't usually have rules for things that shouldn't happen, especially by someone who is a professional. GOM takes their tournaments seriously because that is how they make money from subscriptions and advertisers. The saw what happened and decided they didn't like it so they punished him for it. New rules are made by having to punish one person first. That is life.
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On December 15 2011 01:23 S_SienZ wrote:
If Naniwa didn't sign anything with the GSL, then he isn't entitled to [sue for] his spot.
GSL-MLG exchange program is a contract between those two parties. Naniwa as a 3rd party shouldn't have a claim unless MLG is willing to back him up.
Just to throw it out there to the people saying Naniwa should sue.
Actually he can sue. If MLG promises to give him a Code S spot which he earns due to ranking or whatever else, he is entitled to it by law. Maybe not from GOM, but MLG has to provide it for him or they can liable.
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On December 15 2011 01:23 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
GSL is a fucking joke. That's all I can say.
WRONG!
insult GOM not their tournment.
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On December 15 2011 01:23 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
GSL is a fucking joke. That's all I can say.
I bet that is all you are capable of saying, 
Would you mind explaining HOW GSL is a fucking joke?
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I can understand gomtv's decisions
For example, if the losing team in a NBA game gives up and decides to sit on the court for 10 minutes for the game to end, do you think they will get away unpunished as professional sports players?
Here we have Naniwa, a top tier protoss, playing in a world class tournament against Nestea, randomly 1a his probes and take his hands off the keyboard on live stream, he should have seen his punishment coming
I think most people are not offended, but its just that Naniwa was not in a position to get away with showingoff/trolling gomtv
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Wolrd Cup / Champions league / <insert any other big Tourny> ,
when the big teams/players play a tourny it doesnt matter that you can`t qualify , it doesnt matter
that you are already first , you show up and play , you dont want to put your BEST starting players
go ahead and put the bench players , but in all of those cases the players are playing to win (the bench players included)
thus giving us real competition , if Naniwa wants to use a quarky start (i.e bench players) he can do it , but he NEEDS to try and win with it. Glad Gom punsihed him , he desreves it acting like a child , cant believe ppl are defending Naniwa for humilating everyone at that venue. (first post after lurking for years.... thats how i feel about the situation  ).
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On December 15 2011 01:20 mutton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:11 eteran wrote:On December 15 2011 01:06 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 eteran wrote:On December 15 2011 00:55 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 00:53 eteran wrote:
If Naniwa was Zerg and would have been 7 Pooling a Terran, would he have lost his Code S spot? because this matters why? its quite obvious that he wasn't trying, his hand wasn't even on his keyboard the entire game beside the first 1-a move It matters because it has the same chance of winning and is a strategy that decides the game quickly. Yes, taking his hands off was over the top, agreed. But Naniwa was not raised in a culture where you're not supposed to show any emotions. He was very disappointed about losing the first three games so close - and they all all-inned him - what led to him showing emotions. I've seen someone win a GSL match after 6pooling (I think it was July). Have you ever seen anyone win with a probe rush in GSL, or even in a league higher than bronze? Nope, so it doesn't have the same chance of winning. I said 7 Pool vs. Terran for a reason. Make it 8 Pool or 9 Pool if you wish. IdrA 6 pooled Jinro in the GSL. It was a close game.
Idra had a reason and told Artosis prior to the series that if it came to Jungle Basin he had planned to 6 pool ahead of time because the map was difficult for Zerg/
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On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise
but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment?
the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol
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On December 15 2011 01:13 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Morrow why are you always right?
MorroW, you should go to MLG and, by the rules, throw a bo3 series away with back to back drone rushes. Just to see what kind of reaction you would get from the organization.
Who gives a fuck about the prize pool, or impressing your fans, this is about proving your point.
Or better yet, get in your booth and join the game, then say in chat "I don't feel like playing this series, just because I don't want to play at this time." and walk out of the booth and leave the tournament. Or even better, after forfeiting the series, request to play your LB matches, and if they actually let you (and haven't already banned you), you should do the exact same thing again "oh, I felt like playing my LB matches 20 minutes ago, but not anymore, so bye bye".
What do you think would happen?
You didn't break any rules~~~
(my point, MLG would ban you 100%, don't be a so ignorant about it -.-).
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Is there any way Nani can pursue legal action against GSL (or maybe MLG) for this obvious scam?
User was warned for this post
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So good. I applaud GSL for doing this!
IF, you guys want SC2 to be a sport, you should have zero tolerance for throwing the games. Great decision, I 100% support this.
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On December 15 2011 01:25 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:23 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
GSL is a fucking joke. That's all I can say. I bet that is all you are capable of saying, Would you mind explaining HOW GSL is a fucking joke?
cause they took his favourite players GIFTED spot. he should be allowed to lose games on purpose. the gsl is sooooo mean
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On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game if i was in naniwas position id request for a walkover, if not id drink 10 cups of coffee and get some food poisioning or some shit. because a player never wants to act serious in a game. because if he loses people think he played bad and serious, and if he wins, people know his build order. its a lose lose situation for a player to get into a situation where he has to play a televised game that doesnt matter
You get paid because people watch you play and care about how you do, simple as that. If you can't even show the simple respect to fans of Starcraft 2 to actually try, or even act like you're trying, you don't deserve free rides to the most prestigious tournament in the world, sorry.
If you really don't want your BO revealed, just 4gate or something.
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On December 15 2011 01:25 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:23 S_SienZ wrote:
If Naniwa didn't sign anything with the GSL, then he isn't entitled to [sue for] his spot.
GSL-MLG exchange program is a contract between those two parties. Naniwa as a 3rd party shouldn't have a claim unless MLG is willing to back him up.
Just to throw it out there to the people saying Naniwa should sue. Actually he can sue. If MLG promises to give him a Code S spot which he earns due to ranking or whatever else, he is entitled to it by law. Maybe not from GOM, but MLG has to provide it for him or they can liable.
I highly doubt he has any grounds on it, pretty sure all the contracts they sign gave them the rights to terminate
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On December 15 2011 01:24 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:23 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:21 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:20 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:18 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:17 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:15 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 01:12 XRaDiiX wrote:"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors" So if this is true and Gom Sticks to the rule they enforced against Naniwa that means bomber should be banned from Code S/A for doing Mule Drops at end of Games... Double Standard GomTV Shame on them. They are making up rules as they go along; to go as they see fit. They are not being fair to NaNiwa They had this kind of rule since the beginning, it was just not on paper because it was so obvious. And no one at the time would have suspected that someone could be THAT stupid to actually pull a Naniwa. Care to elaborate on how Mule Bombs are different than what NaNiwa did by doing a 6 probe rush Strategy. Because it's a ceremony before winning, like /dance command. And 6 probe rush is NOT A STRATEGY when you don't even bother to micro the probes to let their shields generate. There is no rules that state how to play the game and what strategy you 'have' to use. So 6 rush probe is actually completely within the rules. And it's not the strategy that is the issue here. It's about being earnest and being professional about your job, which is the obvious qualification of participating in GSL, not just your tournament wins and win/loss ratios. "Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment" Which Naniwa actually is given his attitude and douchebaggery displayed last night. He just showed his true colors, and Mr.Chae was just repeating the truth. Doesn't mean he can stoop to NaNiwas level and be unprofessional about it.
Are you saying that Casters has to have a same standards of a professionalism as the Players??
He's a Caster FFS and was just announcing GOMTV's decision.
Leave Nydus Chae out of this.
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On December 15 2011 01:25 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:23 S_SienZ wrote:
If Naniwa didn't sign anything with the GSL, then he isn't entitled to [sue for] his spot.
GSL-MLG exchange program is a contract between those two parties. Naniwa as a 3rd party shouldn't have a claim unless MLG is willing to back him up.
Just to throw it out there to the people saying Naniwa should sue. Actually he can sue. If MLG promises to give him a Code S spot which he earns due to ranking or whatever else, he is entitled to it by law. Maybe not from GOM, but MLG has to provide it for him or they can liable.
LOL. Promises alone are not enforceable by law. Otherwise you'd get a major legal clusterfuck in the world. That's why you have contracts.
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On December 15 2011 01:25 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:23 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:22 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:14 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say? Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Ahm.. If Naniwa would just have done nothing at all, this would also not be ban worthy? Because.. He is in the game, he just did do nothing... Because well... He was 100% throwing that game on behalf, i don't care how it looked.. No one should care how it looked. He did it, he got what you should get for stuff like this. we are progamers, not actors. if you want to watch acting go pay for a movie instead of a sc2 tournament they tournament admins again, must allow players to give walkover in a match that doesnt matter. its the format and the rules that allow stuff like this to happen. situations where players dont want to win, always gets messy. so im not saying what naniwa did was ethical or not, that doesnt matter to me. what matters to me is that gsl fucks up, points the finger at naniwa but not only that, punishes him for not acting a game and if you don't agree with GOM rule, you can not participate, or face the consequences thinking and acting you are bigger than the organizer there is no such thing as match doesn't matter in GSL. every match matters to them, despite how you feel otherwise but to my understanding he didnt break any rule that was existing at the moment? the OP talks about abuse but that is a very veig rule that can be very missinturpirated lol
again, how is match making not breaking any rules?
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This is just WRONG seriously, zero compassion. Just a all out terrible decision this also makes the GSL such a worse show in my opinion.
The RIGHT decision would have been a warning, GSL just lost a huge chunk of respect, Mr Chae better yourself please or please find someone else more up for the job with any sense at all.
So little respect for Nani, think about all the hours he put down (actually one of the most hardworking people in the entire community). People at the GSL should think about this community as a modern one, let's face it we love that bm and shit. This is not Brood War.
NANIWA FIGHTING <3
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On December 15 2011 01:26 Slin wrote:
Is there any way Nani can pursue legal action against GSL (or maybe MLG) for this obvious scam?
Really? LEGAL ACTION?
Come on.
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On December 15 2011 01:26 foxmulder_ms wrote:
So good. I applaud for GSL doing this!
IF, you guys want SC2 to be a sport, you should have zero tolerance for throwing the games. Great decision, I 100% support this.
it's pretty standard in pro sports for teams to not play their best players or goof around a bit if a game is meaningless. you see this a lot in the nfl at the end of the season. nobody ridicules them for that. ever. this naniwa situation is just the most extreme version of that
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