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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 01:02 FrankWalls wrote:
the rules are so abstract it's ridiculous. this reminds me of when i was young and my friend would make up rules to games as he went along. this just feels like something that is occurring because of the immense backlash of the community. well congrats you got what you wanted
So abstract = you can't throw games on purpose? Is that really a high level of abstraction?
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On December 15 2011 01:05 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:04 MrCon wrote:
Will then ban Hero from GSL, canon rushing after pool is done and building canons at the watchtower ?
If the difference between 2 thrown games is the amount of buildings built, they should state it more clearly. This.... Double Standard = GomTV!
What people like you don't realize that it was the ATTITUDE and the METHOD of the player that made him cross the line, not the deed.
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Ridiculous decision in my opinion. He should take legal action.
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On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130
you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D)
also you dont ban someone for looking bored
this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say?
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Its abstract cause the rule gom says he broke is about offending players/audience.
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When you're playing in a tournament consisting of some greatest players (and the actual greatest player), you should play like you belong there. He just didn't play like a champion, I mean, I can't imagine MVP throwing a game in such a manner.
It was simply childish and un-professional, completely disregarding the effort his opponent put into preparing for the match, or the interests of the many fans who were looking forward to the game.
The punishment may have been a little heavy handed, but I'm glad GOM did something about it.
And to people comparing this to some of Hero's games, there's a difference between having a bad night, then tilting and simply not trying nor caring about the result of the game. I'm 100% sure that Hero wanted to win every game he played.
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On December 15 2011 00:50 MayorITC wrote:
Can people stop saying Hero threw his match against DRG?
He said he didn't throw it. He may be lying, but there's a huge difference in playing poorly and and not playing at all after issuing one command, which is what Naniwa did. And you're overlooking the long history of credibility between the two players:
1. Naniwa has always been notorious for doing things in poor taste.
2. Hero has always shown nothing but a good attitude in his past wins and losses. For him to suddenly break away from his usual pattern and throw away a game so that another player who has no affiliation with him (aside from nationality, which is baseless since Hero plays on a FOREIGN team) advances is ridiculous.
The very same forum you guys are posting to slander Hero sponsors him. The very same Hero who has shown nothing but appreciation for the opportunity to play for Liquid. He's always expressed that playing for Liquid is a privilege not a right.
You guys can cry all you want about how Naniwa and what-not, but back the fuck off Hero when he's shown nothing but good sportsmanship. There are big differences between the two scenarios though.
Hero's game had a direct impact on the the tournament because if hero won Stephano would have advanced instead of DRG for example. Nestea and Naniwa were both out of the tournament and their game didn't matter.
Plus unlike naniwa, Hero probably knows you will get in trouble in Korea if you blatantly show that you aren't really trying to win regardless of importance.
Hope they wont use same format again.
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On December 15 2011 01:06 OFCORPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:03 papaz wrote:
God, I'd love to make a list of all the people going "not gonna watch GSL again" and then say hi to you guys in the LR of next GSL. Can still follow the live report thread even if you don't intend to pay for it.
You can still follow the free stream. I don't get how people are not aware of this simple fact (not you).
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I don't agree. I understand, but don't agree.
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On December 15 2011 01:08 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:05 XRaDiiX wrote:On December 15 2011 01:04 MrCon wrote:
Will then ban Hero from GSL, canon rushing after pool is done and building canons at the watchtower ?
If the difference between 2 thrown games is the amount of buildings built, they should state it more clearly. This.... Double Standard = GomTV! What people like you don't realize that it was the ATTITUDE and the METHOD of the player that made him cross the line, not the deed.
A person made a good point a few pages ago about why NaNiwa shouldn't be punished you should probably see it... it makes perfect Sense
On December 15 2011 00:42 VoirDire wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviors"
The problem is that what's offensive is completely arbitrary. Offense is not something "given", it's "taken". A person can choose to be offended by anything if he wants to, but you cant forcibly offend a person that does not choose not to take offense.
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Damn sad to see this happen :<
Wonder if he will stick around in korea
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On December 15 2011 01:07 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:02 FrankWalls wrote:
the rules are so abstract it's ridiculous. this reminds me of when i was young and my friend would make up rules to games as he went along. this just feels like something that is occurring because of the immense backlash of the community. well congrats you got what you wanted So abstract = you can't throw games on purpose? Is that really a high level of abstraction?
that wasnt even what the rule said.
"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
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says nothing about throwing games or not trying hard enough, and i have a strong feeling that this rule was stated AFTER the fact. you just cant do that in an official format
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On December 15 2011 01:09 JimSocks wrote:
Its abstract cause the rule gom says he broke is about offending players/audience.
I see a pretty offended audience.
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On December 15 2011 01:09 JimSocks wrote:
Its abstract cause the rule gom says he broke is about offending players/audience.
He certainly has offended me, and plenty of others to warrant this punishment.
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On December 15 2011 01:09 JimSocks wrote:
Its abstract cause the rule gom says he broke is about offending players/audience.
GOM didn't saya Naniwa broke the rule.
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On December 15 2011 01:02 Clicker wrote:
Cultures are different. Understand that.
The Koreans view this in an entirely different manner. To see some foreigner be invited to the tournament, then in a game vs Nestea, just a-moved his probes and take his hand off the keyboard is ridiculous. Whether the game was important or not is irrelevant.
Actually I don't think it's that different. In profession sports in American/Europe if you're out of the playoffs you don't get toto forfeit all of your remaining games. And why? Because people pay good money to watch the games. That's exactly why Nani should be punished for depriving everyone of a game they wanted to see and he got paid to play.
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On December 15 2011 01:09 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:04 HolydaKing wrote:On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote:
why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter
if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o
its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 you dont ban a player for not having his hands on his keyboard while playing, if that was the case sjow wouldnt be a progamer anymore (:D) also you dont ban someone for looking bored this is a proffecional sports and players play by the rules of the tournament. naniwa did not break any rules. what is there left to say?
match making is breaking rules, not to say how pissed off the entire Korea community and half of TL community
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fair punishment. naniwa needs to start acting like a pro player
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On December 15 2011 00:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 00:53 sib-pelle wrote:
Naniwa is the new Firebathero and he was freaking baller! GOD NO! FBH shows the utmost professionalism during games,ceremonies are to spice things up AFTER THE GAMES. I can't believe that people are comparing the two.
I didn't compare the way they did it, I compared the entertainment value of the drama and BM
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On December 15 2011 01:09 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:06 OFCORPSE wrote:On December 15 2011 01:03 papaz wrote:
God, I'd love to make a list of all the people going "not gonna watch GSL again" and then say hi to you guys in the LR of next GSL. Can still follow the live report thread even if you don't intend to pay for it. You can still follow the free stream. I don't get how people are not aware of this simple fact (not you).
Scumbag GSL Haters:
"not gonna watch GSL again"
"watch free stream and follow LR"
haha
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