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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50245 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:01 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I just realized that this case will enforce kespa/gomtv to set up rules even harsher than the ones for broodwar. fuck no it would mean that they set up kespa level rules not harsher ones. | ||
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BioGenie
Singapore10 Posts
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schI2ler
129 Posts
He earned that spot in MLG.... SO what is the MLG GOM deal worth? Nothing? I can just say: look you deserve this rank, our fans dont like you, you dont get that spot? MLG loses its reputation. They can never again say their winners get a gsl spot... well maybe they will... mlg doesnt know | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:02 kazie wrote: nobody knows. 0% is enough for sure tho, and that's all it matters for this case Wouldn't 0% be just gg and leave the game? | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:03 papaz wrote: God, I'd love to make a list of all the people going "not gonna watch GSL again" and then say hi to you guys in the LR of next GSL. Try finding me in those LRs. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:02 Phaint wrote: How many free opportunities at GSL does Naniwa really deserve though? Hasn't he been in 2 Code A's, World Tournament, GSTL and Blizzard Cup now? He has NO results from any of these tournaments. I'm not sure he even deserves Code S in the first place. Stop handing out opportunities to the SAME person to flop. I like Naniwa but I also like this decision regardless of this week's drama. http://www.gomtv.net/records/playerInfo.gom?option=view&playerid=23956 1W12L..... | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
intent is not thought, a typical red herring argument | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:01 Hambone636 wrote: This is weird Where do they draw the line Naniwa tried 0% so he got banned Others in that position may have tried 70% Is 10% enough? 20? Anything above 0% is enough. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:02 Femari wrote: No the format was professional. When a team is out of the playoff hunt they still have to play the rest of their games. Naniwa was the only unprofessional thing about this. You don't just agree to the format (more than likely in a legal way as if GOM doesn't have legal documents saying they agree to the terms of the tournament they're royally screwed) and say you're going to play all 4 games and then go back on that. You agreed to it. Finish the job. The format is flawed, that makes it unprofessional to me. | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8110 Posts
I don't think I would have played if I was Naniwa either. After losing important matches, the last thing you want to do is go play another game in front of people. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:00 Vardant wrote: Isn't it kinda weird, that he waited all this time to tell us? Not really. GOM was planning on giving one to Naniwa anyway. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
If the difference between 2 thrown games is the amount of buildings built, they should state it more clearly. | ||
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Borge
Sweden1 Post
GL in the future Naniwa, even though you just lost your well-earned spot. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:03 Diks wrote: So, now pro players are supposed to fake their plays when motivation doesn't follow because the match has aboslutely no value. Because that's exactly what the PROFESSIONALS do. They give their all, or at least try to appear giving their all, when they play, so they don't piss off the audience. GomTV is just reevaluating Naniwa as a professional and just revoking his Code S seed for not meeting the qualifications. Simple as that. | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
Every game he lost was so close, I would be so damned frustrated... THOR RUSH seriously? | ||
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dawnstone
Sweden5 Posts
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours This is my first post on TL but that dosent mean i have not followed the SC2 scene since the beginning. I have been a lurker on TL since the SC2 beta and have followed every GSL tournament, MLG, DH and so on. The problem i have with Naniwa losing his Code S spot(from my understanding at least he had a code S spot from the MLG and GSL exchange program) is the rule it self that he lost it on. What was it about with the worker rush that was abusive? What I mean is with other strategies he would have a bigger chance of winning but is the reason for choosing a bad strategy a reason for a ban? But lets say he did not plan on winning the game that he just throw it away is that so serious in this case? Idra have fore fitted games that did not have any meaning. Did not Stephano more or less throw away games in a tournament that actually did change the outcome of the group and he did not get any shit for that. I believe that why this is so big is because Naniwa had so many haters already and because he is a controversial player. In a much general point if Esport wanna consider it self as a "real" sport we have to use parallels to other sports as well. Not wanting to win or not caring if you win or loses have always been a factor in sports. In the 70s don't remeber what year it was did not Austria and another country just stand in the middle of the field for 30 mins during the last game of the world cup since both teams knew that if the match would draw both teams would advance to the play offs. Football teams don't always use their best players for every single game and so on. In the Olympics 2006 Sweden lost on purpose in the last game of the group stage just to get an easier opponent for the next round. The people to blame for this whole scenario with Naniwa and Nestea is GOMTV acording to not make sure that every game has a meaning. Just to have a SC2 game broadcasted without a meaning of it is just begging for problems and then punish the player for not taking it serious is even worse when they easily could have foreseen this scenario or even worse scenarios when they were planing this tournament. It would have been worse to have one player with no reason to win against another who has everything to win on the game(I am glad we dident have to see that at least). And for the quote i dont think Naniwa did anything abusive, what he might have done is offend GOM but they deserved it this one time. If they are going to have a rule like this they have to precise it better so its clear what is offensive and abusive. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:00 MorroW wrote: why cant just gsl apologize and be the bigger man here and admit their faults for even having the game played rather than punishing naniwa to play a game that didnt matter if a game doesnt matter, ask the players if they want or dont want to play the game, if not, then give w.o its retarded and naniwa is the one taking the blow here for something that wasnt his fault so it would have gone in your mind to play like naniwa? in one of the most prestigious tournaments? just look like how extremely bored he looks. so disrespectful, while he could have gained so much respect. i suppose you have seen the video or even the live game, but go here if you haven't www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130 | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:04 Biane wrote: http://www.gomtv.net/records/playerInfo.gom?option=view&playerid=23956 1W12L..... why do people use this as an argument? the ban had nothing to do with his previous performances in gsl. this wasn't about his play at all so why bring it up? | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:02 Clicker wrote: Cultures are different. Understand that. The Koreans view this in an entirely different manner. To see some foreigner be invited to the tournament, then in a game vs Nestea, just a-moved his probes and take his hand off the keyboard is ridiculous. Whether the game was important or not is irrelevant. He wasent invited to the tournament but qualified. | ||
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