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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:56 Almtom wrote: Shouldnt BitByBit prime have been banned then for sending his workers to attack every game? No man, he used the keyboard. (waits for someone to dig up GOMrules that says one has to use a keyboard or else it's disrespectful) | ||
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Tastefull88
Belgium31 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:48 Mietiex wrote: Totally true. This is what I wrote to GOMTV: Dear Gomtv, Banning Naniwa like this and the insulting words mr. Chae has spoken, has made me decide not to watch the GSL anymore and write this e-mail. First of all, you shouldn't make the rules so it can be so widely interpreted: During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours. Haven't we seen this many of times though, in different forms, by Korean players, in the GSL? Things like MC's thumbs down, or him bashing his fist on the player booth in GSTL. Not even mentioning the manner mules and Nexi. I think Gom has double standards and should either apply this rule to every player, or make the rules more specific, or (which has my preference) accept that this is part of gaming, emotions and stop worrying about insignificant things like a probe rush. I would rather see him throw away a game that is of no importance anymore, than dragging it out to a late, boring game. This is my opinion though and I am sure many other people think differently. However, if he would have done a 2 gate proxy or 4-gate, like many Koreans do when playing a meaningless game, it would have been acceptable to everyone. The fans and Gom need to accept that if a pro already lost a lot of games, is frustrated and wants to end the last meaningless game quickly they have the right to do so, or stop being damn hypocritical. Anyway, the dumb insulting remarks Mr. Chae made after handing out the ban was in my opinion way over the top and made me decide not to watch a show that has double standards and such an unprofessional CEO. Yours Truly, Piet van der Bijl The Netherlands. I agree, what Mr.Chae said was very offensive in my eyes. Gom made a decision purely based on korean cultural morals while it is an international tournament. What Nani did was not smart but it was an emotional HUMAN reaction. Revoking his hard earned Code S seed just doesn't fit the 'crime' and is in my eyes an inhuman punishment. I won't be watching gsl anymore unless a foreigner plays. | ||
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:56 Almtom wrote: Shouldnt BitByBit prime have been banned then for sending his workers to attack every game? At least he sent some marines with them lol. Having a hand on a keyboard also doesn't hurt. | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
They were going to give him a free spot in code S. He insulted them, they didnt give it to him. HOW IS THAT HARSH!?!?!? Why is Naniway owed or entitled to a spot? I dont understand peoples arguments at all. I LIKE HIM SO HE DESERVES A CODE S SPOT BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!! They were going to be nice to him, and he fucked it up. He didnt earn anything. A gift was taken away from him. Thats all. | ||
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
first off, how well do you think naniwa would have done? last time he did gsl he got spanked, his play is very 1 dimensional and thats why he lost to leenock like 4 - 0 (or 4-1) But thats not the most important point Nani was extrememly childish and disrespected the whole blizzard cup, and gomtv can't allow things like that, now or in the future so with this they have effectively done a preemptive strike against this behavior in the future. Also naniwa was invited to this even and paid like 840 dollars for this, and how good is it for the business model if a player doesnt want to play a game so he like probe rushes? People wanted to see naniwa v nestea and the players play for the spectator thats how they make money, naniwa was getting paid to play that tournament and he should of played it like a professional /rant | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49496 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:53 sib-pelle wrote: Naniwa is the new Firebathero and he was freaking baller! GOD NO! FBH shows the utmost professionalism during games,ceremonies are to spice things up AFTER THE GAMES. I can't believe that people are comparing the two. | ||
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iglocska
Norway589 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:53 eteran wrote: If Naniwa was Zerg and would have been 7 Pooling a Terran, would he have lost his Code S spot? OK, this keeps coming up again and again. Why compare boxing all probes and a-moving to a 7 pool? Why not compare it to boxing the drones and a-moving? One is a valid strategy, one is not. | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
Only thing even close would be when he gg'd out close positions meta vs jinro's bunker contain on the ramp, I don't remember any other early ggs in GSL play. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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darksagus
United States39 Posts
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:51 Pholon wrote: he made units and attacked his opponent. that's sc in a nutshell as far as I know. Just because you do something, doesn't make it a strategy. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
I find it quite depressing that lots of ppl would have prefered if naniwa "pretended" to play his best, and just proceeded to play a mediocre, boring, dull game. But hey, thats the world we live in, hate on those who stand for who they are and are honest. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:57 boxturtle wrote: Format wasn't bad. We asked them for it. Format was pretty unprofessional. In a BO5 you don't play out the rest of the games if one of the players goes 3-0. You're not gonna see any good games then because the loser just wants to get it over with, not show good games for the fans. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:55 Almtom wrote: You are missing the point. The rules clearly stated that the top placing individual regardless of country of origin at MLG providence received a Code S spot. That is as clear cut as it can get. Mr Chae slandering a player on air calling him a greedy money hunter that is unforgivable, then lying about the fact that Naniwa had a code S spot, so bad mannered. Buddy, if you want to say that Naniwa earned his spot in Code S because of MLG Providence, or that Mr. Chae insulted Naniwa, argue that with the other people in the thread. I'm only responding to the whole concept that the 6 probe rush can be considered a valid strategy. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:58 Focuspants wrote: THE PUNISHMENT IS NOT HARSH. They were going to give him a free spot in code S. He insulted them, they didnt give it to him. HOW IS THAT HARSH!?!?!? Why is Naniway owed or entitled to a spot? I dont understand peoples arguments at all. I LIKE HIM SO HE DESERVES A CODE S SPOT BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!! They were going to be nice to him, and he fucked it up. He didnt earn anything. A gift was taken away from him. Thats all. This wasn't the kindness of their heart. They have a business arrangement with MLG. They might not be obligated to Nani but I bet they're obligated to MLG. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:46 Clearout wrote: A pro player is not an entertainer, he is not paid to entertain. He is paid to win, he provides us with entertainment by proxy of attempting to win. If the player has nothing to win, you can't demand entertainment as result, since entertainment is not what he is there for, nor what he is paid for. Quite a big difference. Sure a player can entertain with nothing on the line for the sake of fans, respect or whatever else, but you shouldn't punish someone for not doing something they are neither there for or paid to do, without making that rather explicitly clear in your rules and terms for the competition. Pride is something. Not going 0-4 is something. Not coming off as a baby and insulting Korea's biggest SC2 tournament would have been great. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
You're suggesting we punish thoughtcrime? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
Seeing how Slasher (MLG representative and all) has stated that Nani wasn't actually awarded a code S slot for his providence performance, a more accurate title would be 'GomTV decides not to invite Naniwa to Code S January'. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:58 archonOOid wrote: Can naniwa make an appeal to kespa like organisation or any form of higher body? I feel like naniwa should be able to make such a move because the current punishment is to severe. I wish he could. Then kespa could ban him from e-sports for willfully wasting people's time/money failing to fulfill an obligation he agreed to. | ||
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