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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:53 eteran wrote: If Naniwa was Zerg and would have been 7 Pooling a Terran, would he have lost his Code S spot? because this matters why? its quite obvious that he wasn't trying, his hand wasn't even on his keyboard the entire game beside the first 1-a move | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
has he done so in a GSL? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:53 hmmm... wrote: More like: The racism rampant in this thread is pitiful really. Seems like there's a lot of unlearned people here. lol thas is exactly what i think TL is like... racist elitist communist double standards | ||
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Whias_k
36 Posts
He wasn't allowed to forfeit so he acted like a kid who was upset that his parent said no. His interview makes it even worse gom have to put their foot down and show that they are in control and won't accept that kind of behavior Naniwa didn't get that ban because his strat wasn't acceptable, he got it because he tried to ruin the match | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:55 Odal wrote: Well. I am never buying another GSL ticket ever again, and neither should you guys. He didn't break ANY rules. By this logic, 6 pooling in important games should get someone banned. 6pools regularly win games. 6 probes is literally the worst strategy possible, and he took his hands off and wasn't even microing showing that he wasn't even trying to do damage with it | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:51 Shinta) wrote: When sports teams send in their B Team, the intention is to rest their A Team and to give their B Team better preparation in case they need to play games later (from A Team injury or w/e). That isn't match throwing unless you're saying that their B Team is a bunch of random people who don't play soccer. Their B Team is on their team in the first place because the team counts on them to play well for them when they are needed to play well. They haven't earned a spot on the A Team, but they are competent players and are paid by the sports team to play the game professionally. IT IS SIMPLY NOT MATCH THROWING. You can compare this in individual eSports leagues with, when you're playing a bo7 and you're up 3-0, and you use a silly strategy that usually only works in ladder. You're resting your mind while showing an entertaining game, while not giving away any big strategies you might be keeping for a much more pinnacle game. In a team eSports league, you see all the time in IPL and even GSTL sometimes (and other leagues ofc, but these include Korean teams) teams putting forth B Teamers to either start or get some practice in. That is because they feel confident in their B Teamers, but even more confidence in ther A Teamers to win after their B Teamers might lose. IPL, B Teamers have 5-0'd the best foreign teams time and time again. This leads me back again, if a football team sends in their B Team, no matter what the case, they aren't throwing the match. They are playing a legitimate game with specific intentions that are understandable and respectable. Even though a team might feel offended that the other team has enough confidence to not play them seriously, (eSports example: NesTea vs HuK), they played them fairly regardless. A real game was played in which both teams were trying, in some shape or form, to win. The B Teamers don't try to lose for the team they try to win, and although the team might not need the win, they are shooting for it nonetheless, even if they aren't trying their absolute hardest because the match isn't super important. I've seen plenty of NBA games where the entire starting lineup gets like 5 minutes of playing time, and then is sat for the rest of the game so they can play their best in the playoffs, and the team STILL WINS!!!! The B team is also playing for something... they play for a spot in the A team if they do realy well....Not sure why you are even trying to compare soccer/basket to starcraft 2.... | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:55 Odal wrote: Well. I am never buying another GSL ticket ever again, and neither should you guys. He didn't break ANY rules. By this logic, 6 pooling in important games should get someone banned. No, 6pooling is a legitimate strategy. This is the equivalent of proxy 6hatch. | ||
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Almtom
Sweden132 Posts
Shouldnt BitByBit prime have been banned then for sending his workers to attack every game? | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:53 eteran wrote: If Naniwa was Zerg and would have been 7 Pooling a Terran, would he have lost his Code S spot? 7 pooling is a legitimate strategy. But we are assuming this time Naniwa is keeping his hands on the keyboard and microing right? | ||
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
Classic KeSPA really, can't wait for GOM to rename! | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10696 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:52 zeru wrote: But apparently choya playing rock paper scissors on the ladder is gomtv's problem? :p No, it shouldn't be. But i don't know, isn't there something with the Code B qualifiers and the Korean ladder? If so you could put this under "match fixing"... But well, i don't think the ladder should be involved in any of GOM's decisions/tournaments anyway (aside from some special events  ). | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:55 Odal wrote: Well. I am never buying another GSL ticket ever again, and neither should you guys. He didn't break ANY rules. By this logic, 6 pooling in important games should get someone banned. Dude, you can NEVER win with a probe rush, ever, ever ever, if your opponent isn't in bronze league. You know this and are pretending like you done. | ||
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smf
Norway19 Posts
I don't think that players should be required to play half-assed matches just for our "entertainment". In my opinion, the entertainment in following players like Naniwa is their extreme focus and dedication towards one goal; tournament victories. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:54 yosisoy wrote: Not true, IdrA has said that he had no chance to win vs Terran on JB (Frankly, he was probably right) so he decided to 6 pool. I'm also pretty sure he was tilting by then. Besides, I've seen dumber strategies used in GSL. Did you notice a little Nexus-first game between Hero and MC in this very same tournament? Double standards, yo. You have missed the point again. Considering you never got it in the 1st place, i shouldn't have bothered to explain it to you. People can do dumb strats but still try to win. The audience can deduce their intention. If they wanted to win, then they certainly must have thought their dumb strat could have worked. Naniwa didn't want to win. It was obvious because he didn't even try. Thats why they are pissed. Cause he didn't even try. They are pissed that he gave up on the game. Gonna say it one last time. Please stop talking about strategies, that is not the point. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:52 iky43210 wrote: you realize what idra did in GSL was that he doesn't gg, and that's it? he never insults player while playing live, at least not while he was in Korea. He is not dumb, he has been playing starcraft 1 and 2 for years, he still respects the rules What Naniwa did was essentially match fixing, an extremely obvious one at that. How can you call it match fixing? It's a match that under Gom's normal format would never be played because it's entirely irrelevant. You can argue that he should still have tried, and that's fair; but calling it match fixing implied that he and others were rigging results for someone's benefit, when neither he nor Nestea stood to gain anything from the match. Again, half of this thread is just comparing it to stuff that it isn't, on both sides of the argument. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:56 Chronald wrote: GOM refusing to admit they format was bad, and taking their mistake out on the person who showed them their error. Classic KeSPA really, can't wait for GOM to rename! Format wasn't bad. We asked them for it. | ||
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
Well, the insta-leave against Jinro was a pretty fast leave  | ||
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Tanag
Canada204 Posts
What a shame.  | ||
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