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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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eteran
Germany83 Posts
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hmmm...
632 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:45 Biane wrote: List of what GOM/Mr Chae is so far (as according to 75% of people posting here...): Racist, Elitist, Communist, Double standards. More like: On December 15 2011 00:45 Biane wrote: List of what South Korea is so far (as according to 75% of people posting here...): Racist, Elitist, Communist, Double standards. The racism rampant in this thread is pitiful really. Seems like there's a lot of unlearned people here. | ||
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sib-pelle
Sweden162 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
Personally I think that's reason enough to play 1 simple game. | ||
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Ehralur
Netherlands27 Posts
I think other foreign pro's should boycot the tournament. | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:38 CommunitySC wrote: http://twitter.com/#!/Ethan_Ahn/status/146884383549308929 Edit: Apparently it was just announced on the Korean stream, so it's now official; Naniwa is out. Edit2: To clarify, it seems GOM has simply revoked Naniwa's Code S seed for the upcoming season, not banned him outright. Edit3: Here's the rule being used as justification: Warning or disqualification - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours Hey, I am Korean and I think a more literal translation is: Taking excessive acts that threaten the opponent or the audience. Which means Naniwa's probe rush doesn't even fit into this definition. | ||
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DreamChaser
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VENDIZ
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Therg
Sweden238 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:52 flergh wrote: How so? How is it more professional to leave games that haven't been completed? QFT | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
No matter how bad you think what NaNi did was, I think this is an overreaction. Sen is gonna get stomped anyway, hes no Naniwa. User was warned for this post | ||
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:49 Umilard wrote: The soccer equialent of this would be to demote a team from Premier League to League One and not letting them play for a season. This becouse the manager flipped off the referee.. And sent all 11 players to attack the opponents goalkeeper. | ||
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:51 JinDesu wrote: A 6 probe rush cannot win against another zerg of equal caliber unless he went 6 pool, and EVEN THEN if he wasn't very good at defending against a probe rush. Probes lose to drones 1 on 1, and if he went 6 pool he would be able to get out 8 to 9 drones to defend (cancel the pool). So here are the two scenarios: 1) Naniwa is throwing the game because he doesn't care. Evidence? He didn't micro, he didn't have his hand on the keyboard, people in the audience could see him playing one-handed. In this scenario, there is no strategy. It's a "I give up immediately" sign. 2) Naniwa massively disrespects Nestea, using a build that can only beat someone of a lower caliber. In this case, probe rush is a strategy. However he doesn't even bother to micro so... Which one do you want to pick? If Naniwa was already in Code S and the revoke his Code S and banned him from competing at all, I would say that's far too harsh and GOM is completely in the wrong. His current punishment still feels too strong to me (as Naniwa will more than likely tilt from this and Quantic is going to be very unhappy), but it's not the end of the world. The zerg player can also run his drones around to stall for some time so some lings pop out. | ||
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yosisoy
Israel202 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:48 poorcloud wrote: I made a post before about this but i shall do it again. Please learn how to seperate 2 things in this argument. Action Intention Gom banned naniwa because IT WAS OBVIOUS HIS INTENTION WAS TO THROW THE GAME. THEY BANNED HIM CAUSE HE THREW THE GAME. NOT CAUSE HE WORKER RUSHED. IDRA worker rushed TO WIN. It was obvious, he was microing his best and it almost worked until jinro got lucky with his bunker. So stop comparing all these random actions, because you are missing the point of the argument and the matter. Not true, IdrA has said that he had no chance to win vs Terran on JB (Frankly, he was probably right) so he decided to 6 pool. I'm also pretty sure he was tilting by then. Besides, I've seen dumber strategies used in GSL. Did you notice a little Nexus-first game between Hero and MC in this very same tournament? Double standards, yo. | ||
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hALLE
Sweden19 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:46 NHY wrote: I honestly don't know why people keep talking about that rule. It bears nothing on this topic. It wasn't even mentioned by GOM as a reason. I'm not quite sure if you read the whole post tho good Sir as it states that GOM's rules do not say anything about offending/abusing bla bla that everyone else is talking about. I just seems weird to me that they are citing a rule that isnt there. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:51 CEPEHDREI wrote: people need to understand that the gsl gifted him a spot. he then threw a game which clearly has to be punished and they took his GIFTED spot away. thats a pretty light punishment. how are people even upset with the gsl taking his code s spot? Sense of entitlement perhaps. There shouldn't even be any foreigner seeds in the first place. Its not fair anyways to the players. And now people are getting all pissed when Naniwa pissed off GOM, and when GOM just took away his invite. | ||
Lipski
Poland373 Posts
one could argue that bomber should have been banned some time ago too, when he disrespected his opponent by dancing with his units and dropping manner mules. abusive behaviour, one might call it. | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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Jurassic
Hungary79 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:51 Pholon wrote: he made units and attacked his opponent. that's sc in a nutshell as far as I know. But it also involves a will to win. | ||
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Almtom
Sweden132 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:51 JinDesu wrote: A 6 probe rush cannot win against another zerg of equal caliber unless he went 6 pool, and EVEN THEN if he wasn't very good at defending against a probe rush. Probes lose to drones 1 on 1, and if he went 6 pool he would be able to get out 8 to 9 drones to defend (cancel the pool). So here are the two scenarios: 1) Naniwa is throwing the game because he doesn't care. Evidence? He didn't micro, he didn't have his hand on the keyboard, people in the audience could see him playing one-handed. In this scenario, there is no strategy. It's a "I give up immediately" sign. 2) Naniwa massively disrespects Nestea, using a build that can only beat someone of a lower caliber. In this case, probe rush is a strategy. However he doesn't even bother to micro so... Which one do you want to pick? If Naniwa was already in Code S and the revoke his Code S and banned him from competing at all, I would say that's far too harsh and GOM is completely in the wrong. His current punishment still feels too strong to me (as Naniwa will more than likely tilt from this and Quantic is going to be very unhappy), but it's not the end of the world. You are missing the point. The rules clearly stated that the top placing individual regardless of country of origin at MLG providence received a Code S spot. That is as clear cut as it can get. Mr Chae slandering a player on air calling him a greedy money hunter that is unforgivable, then lying about the fact that Naniwa had a code S spot, so bad mannered. | ||
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