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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
As he did not earn a direct seed from Providence, but was considered an invite because of his performance, this invite was taken away from him and given to Sen. Hopefully Naniwa learns his lesson that he just missed a shot at Code S by doing what he did. | ||
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Attiicus
United States84 Posts
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SedativeDev
Slovenia316 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:35 Tommylew wrote: Idra left Korea to win money in all the tournaments and then Nani mvoes to korea to be a pro gamer and they kick Nani and reinvite Idra and they they call Nani the Moneygrabber??? WTF HAHA the irony Have to agree with this. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote: Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness. 1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech. 2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament. 3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach. 4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked. Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values. An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager. I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot? How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? 1. He never earnt it, there were no invites to code S. But he was a strong favourite to be wildcard invited. 2. Why is he only looking at himself? 3. 'Viewers' flip because they feel ripped off. 4. Gom now feels they don't want to wildcard in someone with that attitude. Problem? No. | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
In most GOM events they would NOT even play that... Would you rather see a proxy 2 gate or a cannon rush or something... It is a useless match. If you played a dollar just to watch that match and he probe rushed, i would agree with you. But it was meaningless and nani was forced to play it and he would NOT play it well If that match was for seeding, i would say it was unacceptable too. | ||
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:50 Quintum_ wrote: Lol ouch, got owned hard right there. I put what nani did like an NFL team that has no chance of making the playoffs going out onto the field and tossing the ball to the other team every possession they had, would we ever see that, i think not.. While his punishment might be a little on the harsh side i dont see how people can defend his actions. From what I gathered of that article the team in question was allowed to continue playing and only got a small fine (for a football team). | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:50 LunaSea wrote: GOM = Starcraft II KespA !!! looool, absolutely no. gom is hella lax,KeSPA would have revoked him from all korean tournaments for at least 1 year and force him to attend progamer seminars if he doesn't want to extend that ban.. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:50 oban wrote: Way too harsh of a punishment. GOM really are amateurs in every way possible and not worthy of hosting internatoinal tournaments. They fucked over Stephano last time when MC seemed to play to have DRG move to the next round. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the issue is racism. yes swedish genius disqualify a misbehaving white dude and invite another white dude to play totally racist | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:52 BackSideAttack wrote: Terrible analogy and here's why. NFL teams do so because there's a highly probable chance for injury that comes with every additional game you play. Look at historical precedence. Even teams with things to win for STILL put in their backups for their final games. Look at the Colts during 2009, they let go of a perfect season because they feared Peyton Manning would get injured. Also factor in that it's a team game. When you let in your backups, you are giving them invaluable game time experience. If something does happen in the playoffs, then your backups are going to be more ready to face the dilemma. Now look at sc2. First it is not a team sport. By forfeiting the game you are not benefiting anyone else. Also there is next to no risk of injury in playing sc2. In 99% of the situations, one game will not cause you to become so injured that you can no longer play in the playoffs. So you're saying that he should give you lip service as long as he doesn't face potentially career-ending injury for doing so? I really want someone to answer this point. But you won't, because you know how bad that sounds when you put it that way. | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
And that's abusive......how? | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:51 Kontys wrote: Okay, let's look at the whole thing from the perspective of fairness. 1: NaNiWa almost-wins MLG providence, earning CODE S spot, goes back to training for a few weeks and gets an invite to a one-off tournament also hosted by the Gretech. 2: At said tournament he has a bad day losing to two cheeses and another due to the balance issues surrounding terran infantry vs protoss gateway units. He is demoralized, flips and throws the last game, which has no effect on his fate in the tournament. 3: Koreans flip for reasons of etiquette breach. 4: NaNiWa is penalized, under a completely arbitrary decision by the gretech corp boss, by having his earlier EARNED achievement revoked. Honestly, if you aren't going WHAT THE F* Over this, then you can not call yourself a person of decent values. An ATHLETE was just robbed of money, face and his greatest career opportunity yet, by a completely arbitrary business decision by a corporate business manager. I mean, it is completely in line with the forced conformity of Korean culture, where everyone has to conform to strict arbitrary molds thought up by old men in fancy suits.. But this is supposed to be a SPORT and NaNiWa is an ATHLETE. You can make the case that he is an entertainer first and an athlete second, and this is definitely how the Gretech Corporation sees it. But that is not something NaNiWa signed up to. As someone said earlier in this thread: Do you really think he would have done that if he knew it could possibly cost him his code S spot? How can you people possibly support the case that corporate business interest should be allowed to arbitrarily penalize athletes who don't maximize the entertainment value of their performance? Latest facts state that he did NOT earn a Code S invite. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:53 jojo311 wrote: GUYS, you missed a point. Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. (as MLG Providence had nothing with the Code S spot. ) how is that called revoked?? The truth is just that Nani did not get the spot and he can still qualify GSL for the next season. HE IS NOT BANNED. Its the same gosh damn thing getting un-invited for his 'Earned' Code S Spot is essentially the same thing as revoked. | ||
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careohx
263 Posts
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Sooji
United States121 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 FaRess wrote: How hard is it for people to understand "don't bite the hand that feeds you", seriously guys, it's not even about culture, he didn't want to play those games, they asked him to do it and he throw the game. How can people not see the disrespect in here, I'm not from korea and I can easily see it. If you believe that the punishment is too strong, that's something else and I will tend to agree with you, but saying he did nothing wrong really blows my mind. It's nice to see this opinion thrown out. Frankly I'm shocked team liquid fans are calling it "racism." Are you kidding me? Considering the korean culture, this comes as no surprise to me at all and honestly, he deserves it. It's plain and simple. GomTV paid for Naniwa to go out there and compete in their tournament. Considering how important honor is in Korea, I don't see how Naniwa could have thought his actions were acceptable at all. It doesn't matter if he's upset or shaken over his losses, he has an obligation to his fans and more importantly, the tournament organizers to play out that match. To the korean audience, I'm sure it felt like he was throwing a temper tantrum. | ||
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zanga
659 Posts
*Ban Bomber for having such a BM game against MC in some MLG (dont remember which). Putting down tons of command centers in the middle of the map, doing an "orange" with 10+ CC Scans and dropping mules so many times over. *Ban NesTea since in the Blizzcon finals he so obviously threw his game away and was just trolling around. *Ban Coca for match-fixing. He didnt get disqualified as far as I know - he simply left the spot because of decisions in their team. I can assume GOM would've cared, but so far had theyve said anything? ..more examples? | ||
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Vandalman
United States66 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:49 DrGreen wrote: He was confirmed code S spot, you should do some research before posting. Also suspending from GSL when he "broke" the rule of BLIZZARD CUP is just retarded and makes no sense. Its the GSL Blizzard Cup. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
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Xadar
497 Posts
Edit: the word ban was probably wrong, he can still participate in the qualifiers. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:52 pezit wrote: I'll find other sites that uploads HQ VOD's and share them amongst my friends instead of paying for HQ pass, just because I'm disgusted by GOMTV doesn't mean I can't enjoy the games. so they are providing something you want and now you have an excuse to not spend money so disgusted that you are gonna spend time to find other sites so you can watch gom's content I'm sure you were planning to pay all along though. yup. | ||
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PANiC.
Australia3 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:53 jojo311 wrote: GUYS, you missed a point. Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. (as MLG Providence had nothing with the Code S spot. ) how is that called revoked?? The truth is just that Nani did not get the spot and he can still qualify GSL for the next season. HE IS NOT BANNED. He was going to get the spot. If he didnt do what he did then he would of got it. You know that, I know that we all do. So pointless to ban him now. | ||
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