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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:47 Galactus52 wrote: After what happened to CoCa this doesn't really surprise me. I think GOM is wrong though. His team forced him to resign from Code S, Gom did nothing. | ||
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crowbar
Sweden21 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:41 Vari wrote: that extra 15 minutes really made a huge difference in dealing with the next challenge I'm sure Well it doesnt have to do anything with time at all just the mindset and the ability to move on to the next game and dont let urself be dragged down by some bad games. I just think it was how naniwa handled him moving on to his future goals. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 comar wrote: Yet in professional soccer it's totally ok not to play with a single regular when the team already qualified for the next round in FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro Cup, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League.... I think it's very unprofessional of GOM to be 'culturally offended', yet don't giving a fuck about Naniwas cultural background. Calling Naniwa unprofessional, but having vague as shit rules, plays obviously into this as well That being said, Naniwa should have learned the lesson the day he got disqualified from ESL Pro Series for penalty points. Anyhow I'm disappointed because I like watching protoss, especially a foreigner protoss versus koreans  he did not bring a b-team. bringing a b-team would be something roughly like going 2 base carriers or mass dt. what he did was get on the field, handed the opponent the ball, and walk off before 2 minutes had elapsed. do you see any team do this for non-crucial matches? | ||
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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
On a side note, excited to see that Sen will be in the GSL! | ||
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:47 Aydeini wrote: dumbest move ever, why did he have to play the game in the first place? and now people want him to go all out show his best strategies for nothing? This arguement is so worn out. I have to do things at work or in real life daily that 'don't have a purpose or reward' but guess what, you've still got to do them. IT IS HIS JOB TO PLAY THE GAMES. SHUT UP AND PLAY THEM. | ||
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:34 Phobbers wrote: He took his hands OFF the keyboard, ZERO EFFORT. For someone who payed to watch that game, I was pretty offended. I know 100% there was situation when a player made his army, pressed a-move on opponent's base and left his booth. How did his opponent feel? I'm not sure if he was disqualified or punished but I doubt it. Would you be offended by this? Cuz I'd love it. 6 probe is unwinnable? As far as I know they regenerate shield "a bit faster" than drones regenerate health so it is theoreticly possible to win that with godlike micro i think. | ||
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:45 Vari wrote: naniwa wouldn't have risked injury by playing that game. and this comparison isn't fair anyway. I'd say putting in 3rd strings is comparable to trying to win with a weak strategy, say 4 gate, for which it has been repeatedly said naniwa wouldn't have gotten any shit. what naniwa did is comparable to not putting any players on the field at all. handing the other team the ball and laying down. The driving reason behind why teams can put in their 3rd string is because the game doesn't matter period, there's no reason to play it, and it's better to take rest and not to reveal strategies. The whole argument of 4gate vs probe rush is stupid, because they both end in the same result, same as putting a 3rd string team in against laying down and just giving them the game, no team with 1st string players in will likely ever lose a serious game to a 3rd string team, period ever. At this point the only thing you're arguing is that naniwas an ass because his strat took 3-4 less minutes. Naniwa would have lost just the same if he 4 gated, hell he even saved everyone time by ending it early. | ||
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Obelix
United Kingdom11 Posts
Then there is the question, of whether they have taken something away from him that was already given, or whether they are not awarding him a spot because that isn't clear. Here's what Google makes of the twitter comment cited earlier: Code S NaNiwa seed was not the first place. "If you had yesterday, such an act may have been able to give the seed" is right. Many of MLG S seed code came from Providence, but did you know that. # GSL # SC2 There is a big difference between taking something away from someone, or choosing not to award something to someone. However, despite all this, I side with Naniwa 100%. It was never made clear to him, his team or anyone else that worker rushing in this match, regardless of whether it matters, would result in punishment or forfeiture from future competitions. If that had been stated, and he had chosen to do it anyway, then fair enough. But that's not the case. It's being treated as a red card offense, which is punishment unbefitting of the crime. A slap on the wrist and a warning: "do it again and you're punished", would have been acceptable and appropriate. He already admitted he regretted doing it. Let's just hope this doesn't cause a rift in an otherwise very tight knit community. | ||
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ptz
Romania251 Posts
Even if it was an unimportant match for qualifying and money, there are people that pay 10 dollars to see those games, its naniwa vs nestea ffs. Even if they dont give a shit about it, they still have to be professional and play it, cuz their actions still reflect on their sponsors and on the tournament. I think the analogy about soccer teams sending their B team to nonimportant games is bad, because nani could've played a B match and 4 gate or something if he did not care about the outcome. Instead he chose to score the ball in his own goal, this is the right analogy. What he did basically would be showing up and not playing just to somehow prove a point, that he does not care about unimportant matches. If a soccer team would go in and just noncombat, measures would be taken everywhere, and GOM took em. I mean even if its nonimportant, it has exposure, people pay to watch it, show something. Try something new, like a practice game, at least treat it somehow. Naniwa threw a slap in the face to Gom in it's end of the year, best of the best tournament. You really cant expect them to do nothing about it. However you want to find an excuse for him and throw bad analogies, he was in the wrong here. Its true the format is bad, so are most leagues where some teams play unimportant games, but they still send young players, try new things, they dont just throw in the towel in protest, because they would get punished. I was really looking forward to see Nani and toss in code S this season, even tho im not a fan of his because of his personality. I am sad for him as he went to Korea basically for this and now cant prove himself, but he needs to stare at himself in the mirror for a while and realise that he has a part of the blame, and he needs to act proffessional in a world that strives to be proffessional. If he wants a salary and accomodations and to be treated like a pro he needs to act like it. Blind fanboys blindly defending him and hammering Gom are not good for Nani right now. The worst thing for him would be to feel persecuted and feel like he was right with this. He needs to change his demeanour. | ||
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:45 jojo311 wrote: THIS IS CORRECT. Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. He was confirmed code S spot, you should do some research before posting. Also suspending from GSL when he "broke" the rule of BLIZZARD CUP is just retarded and makes no sense. | ||
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discw
United States122 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 semm wrote: You can really tell how many young people there are in this thread. For the ones saying 'He didn't break any of the official rules!' Listen up: Naniwa is a professional gamer, being in tournaments like the GSL is his JOB. For those of you who have never had a real job let me give you a tip: if you go around disrespecting the business's customers, not showing up for the work and generally having a bad attitude, then when you get called into the boss's office say 'I don't see any rules I broke in the employee handbook!' you will be laughed out of the building and you will get fired I assure you. The ban is completely in keeping with any type of pro-gaming scene that wants to be professional in the least. You should go read the 'handbook' for your job, you'll find every one of those things you listed in there. There's a reason they're so damn long. There's plenty of decent arguments one can make to try to defend some of gom'e behavior here(other than insulting him, that's obviously inexcusable). "Haha you stupid kids don't know anything, come back when you grow up" isn't one of them. | ||
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oban
Sweden18 Posts
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 Vari wrote: well said it blows my mind that the argument is basically "he should be allowed to ignore what he said he would do and throw it in the face of everyone watching if he doesn't want to play" 'wah mommy I don't wanna!!!!' grow up Comparing sportspeople to being a salary-man is pretty dumb frankly. It is closer to if your boss asked you to work for free and then you did a bad job at it so they fired you (unpaid work is illegal in many countries btw). Pro sports people play tournaments to win money Naniwa isn't a full time employee of GOMTV. Also he completed his work obligation which is to play the match out (since he did play albeit not very well). Also it is a lot more difficult to fire an employee than you think you cannot just terminate someone arbitrarily. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:42 Xax wrote: http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/wolves-receive-25000-fine-fielding-weakened-side-651901 Lol ouch, got owned hard right there. I put what nani did like an NFL team that has no chance of making the playoffs going out onto the field and tossing the ball to the other team every possession they had, would we ever see that, i think not.. While his punishment might be a little on the harsh side i dont see how people can defend his actions. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:49 shadymmj wrote: he did not bring a b-team. bringing a b-team would be something roughly like going 2 base carriers or mass dt. what he did was get on the field, handed the opponent the ball, and walk off before 2 minutes had elapsed. do you see any team do this for non-crucial matches? That is such bullshit. He did not insta-gg out. He used a losing strategy. Playing with your worst players is using a losing strategy. Not playing to win=not playing to win. Stop splitting hairs. | ||
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:49 turamn wrote: This arguement is so worn out. I have to do things at work or in real life daily that 'don't have a purpose or reward' but guess what, you've still got to do them. IT IS HIS JOB TO PLAY THE GAMES. SHUT UP AND PLAY THEM. it's his job to compete, something that the nestea/naniwa scenario was entirely devoid of? - real competition with substantial rewards | ||
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Even if he was only invited uninviting him from the Code S Spot is the same thing as Revoking his Code S Spot. Isn't it? | ||
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bikefrog
Norway451 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:47 Emnjay808 wrote: Show me the rule where it says its okay to throw games. There aren't rules about everything that's allowed but rather things that aren't allowed or there would be an infinite amount of rules. Logic fail. | ||
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Weltenfeind
Denmark6 Posts
What the hell does that mean? Isn't every kind og all-in pretty abusive? I sure as hell feel effing offended everytime I have to watch those all-ins in the GSL .. Or their Kpop bands for that matter. | ||
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