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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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zanga
659 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 disciple wrote: whats the problem with getting him fined smth like 2000$ for what he did anyways, GOM used the nukes straight away trying to look serious Indeed. | ||
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ChowChillaCharlie
Sweden677 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:42 nimdil wrote: Maybe he just don't want to pay money for a ticket to a company that make unundestandable seeding decisions. ^This right here sums it up pretty perfect. | ||
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ander
Canada403 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:42 Vari wrote: it's the rules of the tournament and it's a tournament run by koreans in korea. it's international because anyone can participate, that doesn't mean that have to somehow find a standard that is equal parts of every country on earth... that would be psychotic to attempt and never get anywhere. Link me this rule. This is i think the 5th time i've asked you to link me this rule. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50653 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:42 FallDownMarigold wrote: but the question was what will he do (during time in which he cant compete in GSL) not how long the ban is. i wonder if he'll hop on a plane or hang around til the next one.. work on his professionalism, yes hes a badass but he does need to not get into such situations. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 Chr15t wrote: Welcome to e"sports", we dont throw games. It wont be accepted. I dont mind this, dunno if its cause of this episode, or if naniwa just had it coming after several awkward outcries <.< Remember chill get out? The MLG joke tournament? The lack of gg in gsl vs fxo.lucky -> even though this is seen as mandetory and now this. u might disagree, but something had to be done. if nothing else this might inspire naniwa to learn a bit of "politics". No. It has been accepted in useless games since ever. | ||
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JonB
Sweden325 Posts
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jojo311
Australia903 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:44 NHY wrote: People need to stop saying "Naniwa earned Code S spot." No he did not. MLG Providence had no Code S seed. In case you didn't notice, there weren't GSL invites or Code A seeds either. I know some casters were saying thing like that, which is why many people are confused. He was, however, going be one of 2 foreigners invited for Code S. Now, GOM has 'uninvited' him. As it stands, Naniwa can still qualify for Code A like everyone else (*cough* Jinro *cough*) THIS IS CORRECT. Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 Ace.Xile wrote: This is obnoxious to me. It's the NFL teams job to play games, when it comes down to borderline playoff time NFL teams will take off their 1st string players and place in their 3rd, effectively forfeiting their chances at any serious game (assuming they have won their playoff spot) because their 3rd strings are that much worse than their 1st string. It's exactly what naniwa did, stop being narrow minded. naniwa wouldn't have risked injury by playing that game. and this comparison isn't fair anyway. I'd say putting in 3rd strings is comparable to trying to win with a weak strategy, say 4 gate, for which it has been repeatedly said naniwa wouldn't have gotten any shit. what naniwa did is comparable to not putting any players on the field at all. handing the other team the ball and laying down. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:45 ander wrote: Link me this rule. This is i think the 5th time i've asked you to link me this rule. Of which the rule has been posted at least 50 times in this thread. | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:41 farnham wrote: yup lets just ban koreans from na and european tournaments that will make sc2 tournaments fun Koreans have shown nothing but respect at our tournaments. Except for when Zenio denied Inc that handshake at NASL 1?! | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 comar wrote: Yet in professional soccer it's totally ok not to play with a single regular when the team already qualified for the next round in FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro Cup, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League.... I think it's very unprofessional of GOM to be 'culturally offended', yet don't giving a fuck about Naniwas cultural background. Calling Naniwa unprofessional, but having vague as shit rules, plays obviously into this as well That being said, Naniwa should have learned the lesson the day he got disqualified from ESL Pro Series for penalty points. Anyhow I'm disappointed because I like watching protoss, especially a foreigner protoss versus koreans  You fail to realize why the soccer teams do it. They do it to give their best players rest and success in the further rounds of the tournament. Equal to that if you want to compare is, if Naniwa would have played a strategy like 4 gate to not give away his best strategies and yet he would have played a game and even leave the impression he is actually trying to win. The right comparison towards soccer would be, enter the field, do nothing but stand there. | ||
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Legace
Sweden342 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:37 Xax wrote: * Naniwa earns a Code S. - latest tweets suggest it was not the case. * He then proceeds to workerrush in a no impact game (poor choice) in a somewhat unrelated tournament. - Code S and Blizzard Cup are not related? * His Code S spot gets revoked by GomTV citing lack of respect and professionalism. Decision taken overnight. - See first point. * Mr. Chae then proceeds to slander Naniwa officially. - unofficial translation off something he said on a live broadcast. * Sen and IdrA are given FREE Code S seeds. - Yes, "sponsor" invites. Did anyone complain about foreigner Code A seeds before? Somewhat unrelated. Meaning, the outcome in Blizzard Cup have no impact on "regular" GSL seasons. And oh, so now we trust unofficial twitterposts but not "unofficial" translations? Good job altering the facts to fit your argument. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 Ace.Xile wrote: This is obnoxious to me. It's the NFL teams job to play games, when it comes down to borderline playoff time NFL teams will take off their 1st string players and place in their 3rd, effectively forfeiting their chances at any serious game (assuming they have won their playoff spot) because their 3rd strings are that much worse than their 1st string. It's exactly what naniwa did, stop being narrow minded. no, that's not exactly what naniwa did what naniwa did was let nestea sack him 4 times in a row a more appropriate analogy, would be if naniwa played a 3rd string strategy, like a basic 4gate, a cannon rush, or something insanely greedy like double expanding before forge playing at half power != not playing why do so few people understand this | ||
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lrofd
United States187 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote: They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament. they are forcing proper standards upon a tournament they run. seems to work for me | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:43 pPingu wrote: colnaniwa is a fake twitter-_- His twitter is quanticnani My bad, i apologies and retract my statement. though damn that one did seem pretty convincing, and now in retrospec, looking at the number of followers that one had i should have noticed it. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 discw wrote: Stuff like this is a big reason why I hope E-sports succeed in the West, so we can (eventually wwwaaayyy down the line) get away from the certain parts of Korean Culture that are so damaging to any type of competitive league/sport. Isn't it great when players are grinded down to a shell of a human being and their only responses can be "I will try my best to win!" they should start banning people who give different answers because clearly they are bad mannered and out of line! | ||
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jyisvip
Canada209 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:44 NHY wrote: People need to stop saying "Naniwa earned Code S spot." No he did not. MLG Providence had no Code S seed. In case you didn't notice, there weren't GSL invites or Code A seeds either. I know some casters were saying thing like that, which is why many people are confused. He was, however, going be one of 2 foreigners invited for Code S. Now, GOM has 'uninvited' him. As it stands, Naniwa can still qualify for Code A like everyone else (*cough* Jinro *cough*) Yes, this is basically what Ethan_Ahn was tweeting about. lets get this quote to front page so people are not confused. | ||
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Nadarath
98 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:42 Biane wrote: He was sorry? "i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!" "neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more" He may have said sorry, but the former statement and the context of the sorry in the latter statement aren't very indicative of it. You do realize how silly you just made yourself ? You quoted random guy who pretends to be Naniwa. If you would spend at least 5 minutes into that you would see that it is not Naniwa's twitter. | ||
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colingrad
United States210 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:44 BackSideAttack wrote: People are raging because Naniwa is a foreigner. If he was Korean, we certainly wouldn't have multiple threads over it let alone one thread with over 100 pages in less than a few hours. and this is foreign website dedicated to covering BW/SC2 so it shouldn't be surprising that news like this about a foreigner who was most likely going to be in Code S is a big deal | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:45 jojo311 wrote: THIS IS CORRECT. Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot. Until today, everybody believed it, nobody tried to correct this mistake, but suddenly it's a fact, that we should have known? Is Gom not watching MLG at all? What about Artosis or Tasteless? | ||
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