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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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lrofd
United States187 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:30 RedEyeJedi wrote: Seems to me everyone who justifies Gomtv's actions are just Naniwa haters. uh no, i enjoy watching naniwa play. i also enjoy the controersy he brings after him winning or losing. but i do not enjoy what he did at such a prestigious tournament | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Depend how far you go.. Bomber calling BM Mules don't chock me more than Naniwa worker rushing. /: | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
but the question was what will he do (during time in which he cant compete in GSL) not how long the ban is. i wonder if he'll hop on a plane or hang around til the next one.. | ||
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Exil
Poland88 Posts
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote: Nani said yesterday "I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter. Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah? gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_- He was sorry? + Show Spoiler + "i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!" "neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more" He may have said sorry, but the former statement and the context of the sorry in the latter statement aren't very indicative of it. EDIT: fake twitter, my apologies. i take it all back. | ||
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nugget-92
Australia83 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:31 kcbgoku wrote: Warning or disqualification - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours This rule doesn't even apply to this situation. He did stupid probe rush. Why is that so offensive? Zerg goes 6 pool. Is that offensive? Terran goes bunker rush all-in he loses. Is that offensive? Protoss goes cannon rush. Same thing. Where is the line? It's impossible to draw one. And he did this in Blizzard Cup, so as the rule says he should be warned in/disqualified from Blizzard Cup, NOT GSL. Lawyered. Also the act was not abusive, the translation may be wrong but "abusive behaviours" requires some abusive intent. The probe rush was not intended for abuse but to prevent Naniwa's own sad emotion being further damaged. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote: They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament. it's the rules of the tournament and it's a tournament run by koreans in korea. it's international because anyone can participate, that doesn't mean that have to somehow find a standard that is equal parts of every country on earth... that would be psychotic to attempt and never get anywhere. | ||
nimdil
Poland3750 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 pookadin wrote: So you buy GSL ticket for a player like naniwa? What do you do when he gets kicked out after round 32 every tourney? You just dont watch for 4 weeks? Sounds like a stupid move anyway... Maybe he just don't want to pay money for a ticket to a company that make unundestandable seeding decisions. | ||
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NGrNecris
New Zealand855 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 Biane wrote: If the ceremony involves stripping to their boxers, dancing half naked, running into the sea, throwing ice cream sticks into the audience, maybe, eventually But where do we draw the line? How do we even decide if someone is doing something abusive and disrespectful? Its really subjective | ||
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rblstr
Ireland398 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 luke3920 wrote: Does GOM really want to suggest its okay for players to "give up" whenever they cannot progress in a tournament? No. Why should they have to play at all after they've already lost? | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:37 Alpino wrote: Soccer teams don't field their A team in non important matches. Don't pretend you know something about all the sports in the world son. (Actually other teams pay them to "give their best" in non important matches when the "other" team thinks that the team without motivation to win will be good for them.) http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/wolves-receive-25000-fine-fielding-weakened-side-651901 | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
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comar
Germany23 Posts
I think it's very unprofessional of GOM to be 'culturally offended', yet don't giving a fuck about Naniwas cultural background. Calling Naniwa unprofessional, but having vague as shit rules, plays obviously into this as well That being said, Naniwa should have learned the lesson the day he got disqualified from ESL Pro Series for penalty points. Anyhow I'm disappointed because I like watching protoss, especially a foreigner protoss versus koreans  | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote: They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament. No, their enforcing their moral standards upon a player in an international tournament. Their moral standards just so happen to be Korean. So what? | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote: Nani said yesterday "I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter. Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah? gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_- Yeah wtf i don't get it. He even said he was sorry for this action of a rule he didn't even break He probe rushed FFS! They even allow Manner Mules in GSL games wtf Double Standard | ||
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BluePotion
Indonesia35 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:19 Vari wrote: no see rules sometimes have to be interpreted on a case by case basis it's weird you can't understand that but luckily we are here to explain actions done to tilt opponents in the spirit of winning further games is not even close to the same as throwing a game in the face of your opponent as well as the tournament runners and the viewers. The rules it self is too general and lack of explanation/detail. Which is bad because angry people with vengeance could abuse it into whatever logic they see fit. If I was offended because Bomber using multiple scan and lands many mules, I can use that rule on him too. If GOM really want to punish naniwa, they should use better reason than using this rule. I think, GOM should give Naniwa a first and final warning regarding this case. That's it. However, I must admit if I feel disappointed too with what Naniwa just did. | ||
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pookadin
Australia422 Posts
Well I'm sorry to say that this makes it even less value for our jilted viewer above  | ||
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:41 farnham wrote: yup lets just ban koreans from na and european tournaments that will make sc2 tournaments fun Well if we need that to get some common sense in ruling of tournaments then yeah we should. GOM is like the Starcraft II Kespa rigth now ! | ||
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