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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
lrofd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States187 Posts
December 14 2011 12:41 GMT
#2401
On December 14 2011 21:30 RedEyeJedi wrote:
Seems to me everyone who justifies Gomtv's actions are just Naniwa haters.


uh no, i enjoy watching naniwa play. i also enjoy the controersy he brings after him winning or losing.
but i do not enjoy what he did at such a prestigious tournament
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2402
To be honest, the notion of respect to the players and the viewers is sooo abusive.
Depend how far you go.. Bomber calling BM Mules don't chock me more than Naniwa worker rushing. /:
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2403
Well they lost a subscriber in me, thats for sure.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2404
On December 14 2011 21:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:38 Zidane wrote:
Owned pretty hard. His life was MLG and GSL, now GSL is out, what will he do?


hes banned for one GSL season.


but the question was what will he do (during time in which he cant compete in GSL)

not how long the ban is. i wonder if he'll hop on a plane or hang around til the next one..
Exil
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland88 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2405
lol, why? match for nothing, so what the point to play it. In ma opinion naniwa had right to play it like that
:)
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:49:53
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2406
On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote:
Nani said yesterday

"I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter.

Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah?

gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_-


He was sorry?

+ Show Spoiler +

"i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!"
"neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more"
He may have said sorry, but the former statement and the context of the sorry in the latter statement aren't very indicative of it.


EDIT: fake twitter, my apologies. i take it all back.
nugget-92
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia83 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2407
On December 14 2011 21:31 kcbgoku wrote:
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours

This rule doesn't even apply to this situation.

He did stupid probe rush. Why is that so offensive?
Zerg goes 6 pool. Is that offensive?
Terran goes bunker rush all-in he loses. Is that offensive?
Protoss goes cannon rush. Same thing.
Where is the line? It's impossible to draw one.

And he did this in Blizzard Cup, so as the rule says he should be warned in/disqualified from Blizzard Cup, NOT GSL.
Lawyered.



Also the act was not abusive, the translation may be wrong but "abusive behaviours" requires some abusive intent. The probe rush was not intended for abuse but to prevent Naniwa's own sad emotion being further damaged.
Well, the tomato's an anomaly. So successful with the ketchup and the sauce, but you can't find a good one.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2408
On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:39 baoluvboa wrote:
You're an idiot if you think this is a race issue. A korean would have been punished just as much, if not more.


They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament.

it's the rules of the tournament

and it's a tournament run by koreans in korea. it's international because anyone can participate, that doesn't mean that have to somehow find a standard that is equal parts of every country on earth... that would be psychotic to attempt and never get anywhere.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2409
On December 14 2011 21:40 pookadin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:38 Psychobabas wrote:
So, can I ask for a refund from GOM or what.


So you buy GSL ticket for a player like naniwa? What do you do when he gets kicked out after round 32 every tourney? You just dont watch for 4 weeks? Sounds like a stupid move anyway...

Maybe he just don't want to pay money for a ticket to a company that make unundestandable seeding decisions.
NGrNecris
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand855 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2410
On December 14 2011 21:38 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:35 Hopelessnoob wrote:
next time all ceremonies will be banned too. This is disrespectful to all of the teammates of the person being BM and his family. This is abusive and should be banned.


If the ceremony involves stripping to their boxers, dancing half naked, running into the sea, throwing ice cream sticks into the audience, maybe, eventually

But where do we draw the line? How do we even decide if someone is doing something abusive and disrespectful? Its really subjective
rblstr
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland398 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2411
On December 14 2011 21:38 luke3920 wrote:
Does GOM really want to suggest its okay for players to "give up" whenever they cannot progress in a tournament? No.


Why should they have to play at all after they've already lost?
Xax
Profile Joined December 2003
475 Posts
December 14 2011 12:42 GMT
#2412
On December 14 2011 21:37 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:34 Losthorn wrote:
This would have gotten a similar reaction in any professional sport so I cant see where all the crying is coming from....


Soccer teams don't field their A team in non important matches. Don't pretend you know something about all the sports in the world son.

(Actually other teams pay them to "give their best" in non important matches when the "other" team thinks that the team without motivation to win will be good for them.)


http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/wolves-receive-25000-fine-fielding-weakened-side-651901
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2413
whats the problem with getting him fined smth like 2000$ for what he did anyways, GOM used the nukes straight away trying to look serious
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2414
I wonder how many sweds/eu people got the tickets just because naniwa was there ^^
comar
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:44:03
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2415
Yet in professional soccer it's totally ok not to play with a single regular when the team already qualified for the next round in FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro Cup, UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League....

I think it's very unprofessional of GOM to be 'culturally offended', yet don't giving a fuck about Naniwas cultural background.
Calling Naniwa unprofessional, but having vague as shit rules, plays obviously into this as well

That being said, Naniwa should have learned the lesson the day he got disqualified from ESL Pro Series for penalty points.

Anyhow I'm disappointed because I like watching protoss, especially a foreigner protoss versus koreans
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2416
On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:39 baoluvboa wrote:
You're an idiot if you think this is a race issue. A korean would have been punished just as much, if not more.


They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament.


No, their enforcing their moral standards upon a player in an international tournament. Their moral standards just so happen to be Korean. So what?
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2417
On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote:
Nani said yesterday

"I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter.

Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah?

gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_-


Yeah wtf i don't get it. He even said he was sorry for this action of a rule he didn't even break

He probe rushed FFS! They even allow Manner Mules in GSL games wtf Double Standard
Never GG MKP | IdrA
BluePotion
Profile Joined October 2011
Indonesia35 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2418
On December 14 2011 21:19 Vari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:17 nevercomingback wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"

if im a player and lets say bomber lands mules during battles and i feel offended, does that mean bomber is banned?

if im a player and lets say MC taunts or gives me a thumbs down and i feel offended, does that mean MC is banned?

what a joke.

no see rules sometimes have to be interpreted on a case by case basis

it's weird you can't understand that but luckily we are here to explain

actions done to tilt opponents in the spirit of winning further games is not even close to the same as throwing a game in the face of your opponent as well as the tournament runners and the viewers.

The rules it self is too general and lack of explanation/detail. Which is bad because angry people with vengeance could abuse it into whatever logic they see fit.

If I was offended because Bomber using multiple scan and lands many mules, I can use that rule on him too.

If GOM really want to punish naniwa, they should use better reason than using this rule.
I think, GOM should give Naniwa a first and final warning regarding this case. That's it.

However, I must admit if I feel disappointed too with what Naniwa just did.

SC2 noob, sorry if I dont understand a lot of thing
pookadin
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia422 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2419
On December 14 2011 21:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:40 pookadin wrote:
On December 14 2011 21:38 Psychobabas wrote:
So, can I ask for a refund from GOM or what.


So you buy GSL ticket for a player like naniwa? What do you do when he gets kicked out after round 32 every tourney? You just dont watch for 4 weeks? Sounds like a stupid move anyway...


code S is 8 weeks now.



Well I'm sorry to say that this makes it even less value for our jilted viewer above
*JYP* #1 fan! ♥♥ twitter~ @Pookadin
LunaSea
Profile Joined October 2011
Luxembourg369 Posts
December 14 2011 12:43 GMT
#2420
On December 14 2011 21:41 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:38 LunaSea wrote:
GOM should be ashamed of tehir behaviour !

In my perspective GOM is only trying to prevent another foreigner to win korean tournaments !

We should ban some Koreans from MLG / Dreamhack too.

yup
lets just ban koreans from na and european tournaments

that will make sc2 tournaments fun


Well if we need that to get some common sense in ruling of tournaments then yeah we should.
GOM is like the Starcraft II Kespa rigth now !
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