EPTIn my perspective GOM is only trying to prevent another foreigner to win korean tournaments !
We should ban some Koreans from MLG / Dreamhack too.
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
In my perspective GOM is only trying to prevent another foreigner to win korean tournaments ! We should ban some Koreans from MLG / Dreamhack too. | ||
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ilimor
Sweden47 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:34 kickinhead wrote: But do you really want another Institution like KeSpa running the whole e-Sports-World of one game? Do you want a player to get an instant-loss in a very high-profile-game cuz he typed in "pp" instead of "ppp" and paused the game? Do you want the fake-emotions with ridiculous and embarrassing (okay, sometimes also awesome) ceremonies and ban ppl that show true human emotions, like naniwa did? Do you want a System that prides itself with being politically correct, fair and does everything to look shiny in the outside, but on the inside, they basically exploit teenagers and young adults and have 100% control over who is allowed to play, who gets how much money etc.? We need to show GSL right now that this is a direction we won't accept! I've deinstalled GomTV-player and deleted my Bookmarks for GSL until they revoke their decision. I don't care much for GSL atm anyways, cuz it gets upstaged by far by foreign tournaments, which also often have much better quality streams, free VoD's and a more multicultural playing-field. This was just the last straw for me... this^ | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:30 Pwnographics wrote: This is Gom's tournament they can do as they please. You can't say I smoked weed in x country because it's legal there, therefore I should be able to smoke weed here. You are mixing something that is illegal with some arbitrary and inconsistently enforced rule. If GOM punished all disrespectful behavior then OK, it would be stupid , but at least they would not be hypocrites. But of course their tournament and they can do what they want, and I will do what I want and never watch or pay for any GOM product, it is easy as that. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 Eineez wrote: The lack of integrity from GOMTV is astounding, if they are doing this because of pressure from the Korean fan and player base. Like it or not, Starcraft 2 is an international esport. If anything this shows how racist Koreans are. You're an idiot if you think this is a race issue. A korean would have been punished just as much, if not more. | ||
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Shieldz
Hong Kong18 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 grobo wrote: They are questioning Naniwa's behavior, while at the same time lying to us. honestly, what the fuck? ethan ahn is a journalist not a gom employee | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:37 jyisvip wrote: @SaintSnorlax 그게 프로비던스에선 없었다는군요. 아마 그런 이유 때문에 많은 해외 팬들이 오해를 하고 있는 것 같네요. 정확하게 말하면 '박탈'이 아니라 '기회를 놓쳤다'가 맞는거죠. There was no seeding to GSL at Providence. That is probably why a lot of foreign fans are confused. To say it correctly, its not "revoking" but a "missed opportunity". He also states that he naniwa can still compete through Code A qualifiers If that would be true, then there is no punishment to begin with, right? Im calling bs here.. | ||
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serojja
Ukraine90 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:35 Hier wrote: Prize-hunter is a fitting image for Naniwa at this point; as soon as he wasn't eligible for higher prize money he gave up and threw the game, without considering the fact that there are up to a hundred thousand people that really wanted to see that game. Agreed. And Naniwa is, to be frank, infamous for bullshit. If he had a clean track record prior to this, he would have probably been let off with a stern warning. This guy just doesn't learn. You could do anything, literally, anything except throw the game in such an obvious manner, and yet he chose to do so. You could claim illness. You could cite exhaustion, very sorry to all fans who wanted to see the game, it didn't matter much anyway. You could 4 gate. But no, he had to have a brain fart. | ||
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Banj0
Sweden53 Posts
Is there an official statement from GOM anywhere to read? if so, the OP needs to be updated. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:19 Snowbear wrote: I don't think any "serious" player would have played that game seriously, Nestea included. As in using the build they planned for the game if it would have mattered.Its really crazy how people respond to this. Naniwa spitted in the fact of the fans and nestea, and he actually deserves a lifetime GSL ban. His behaviour OVERALL is just not acceptable. Why is this so hard to understand? If you want sponsors to take esports SERIOUSLY, then this kind of behaviour has to be punnished. Most progamers probably wouldn't have probe rushed in that situation but not many would have played it seriously either. I probably would have tried to go carriers or something in that game and I doubt people would have hated on me for "not playing it seriously". Perhaps I misunderstand you but nothing "serious" will happen in games like that since they take the game too...drum roll........ seriously to show their ... serious builds in games that don't matter. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 Vari wrote: this wasn't him not fielding his a team, this was him handing the ball over and laying down. Soccer teams that aren't being paid oftenly just sit in the ground instead of playing. | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:37 Squeegy wrote: Nope. I think it's harsh and a simple warning would've sufficed but what Naninwa did was an assholish thing. I've yet to see anyone refuting my argument about that from yesterday. And moreover it caused an uproar, so GOM had to act. Such is life. Naniwa got what was coming. Hopefully he will learn from this but my guess is that he will go the opposite road. It wasn't assholish. There I just refuted your argument. But you are the guy I quoted so it doesn't matter. The truth doesn't matter to you. Only your spite matters. | ||
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zanga
659 Posts
"I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter. Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah? gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_- | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:34 mTw|NarutO wrote: Nope. I'm not friends with him and I had my troubles with him, but I respect him a lot as a player and I see he does practice really hard and puts a lot into the game, yet I do support eSports and I want it to be a profession like any other sports and can understand the punishment. If you want to be respected, you have to set standards. You certainly do.... BEFORE you enforce them. GOM have some standards to set for themselves. This is insane. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 ScareCrow` wrote: The only weird thing I find is the arbitrary line drawn for punishment. I've seen Idra win a game doing a double extractor trick drone pull, I've seen games won and lost thrown away from 6 pools, proxy gates, raxes, all with questionably low win rates with no problem. It seems like the problem is how low of a win-rate strategy are you allowed to execute before you're in trouble. The chance of his probe pull working is probably less than 1%, given the insane off chance that Nestea let drones die before reacting, but it still requires a reaction. 6 pool is something below 3% from games TvZ with no problems coming out of it, another ridiculously low chance to win, but still done and allowed. Without a side towards Naniwa or GOM, why is this the line drawn? They decided it when he took his hands off they keyboard, probe rushed and played only using a mouse having an APM of around 40. | ||
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Shieldz
Hong Kong18 Posts
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
If you believe that the punishment is too strong, that's something else and I will tend to agree with you, but saying he did nothing wrong really blows my mind. | ||
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:30 RedEyeJedi wrote: Seems to me everyone who justifies Gomtv's actions are just Naniwa haters. Or people who understand GomTV's point of view ? Come on, it's not just a game to this progamers. It's a real job, and like any job, it comes with a few standards and responsabilities. Naniwa disregards most of them and gets punished for it, as it is expected. There's nothing wrong here. Some people here need to learn how the world works. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:38 Vari wrote: this wasn't him not fielding his a team, this was him handing the ball over and laying down. Soccer teams that aren't being paid oftenly just sit in the ground instead of playing. Wanna call it a PROgame? Pay for every fucking win you get. That's how it works. On December 14 2011 21:40 MandoRelease wrote: So much uncessary whinning here, calm down people. Or people who understand GomTV's point of view ? Come on, it's not just a game to this progamers. It's a real job, and like any job, it comes with a few standards and responsabilities. Naniwa disregards most of them and gets punished for it, as it is expected. There's nothing wrong here. Some people here need to learn how the world works. Do you sincerely think this punishment is unbiased/proportional? | ||
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