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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:32 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Nothing. Because then Nani would have shown a game. Which was, you know, his job. Why don't people get this? He's a professional. When he agreed to participate in this tournament, he knew the format, and he knew he might have to play meaningless games. So just 4-gate and deal.
this
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On December 14 2011 21:34 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote:
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly. Fans need to realize its a Korean Product, the GSL. Even if foreigners can play in it, its their league. They run it and talk to sponsors. As mentioned before, a Korean would have suffered a way harsher penalty than that. But do you really want another Institution like KeSpa running the whole e-Sports-World of one game? Do you want a player to get an instant-loss in a very high-profile-game cuz he typed in "pp" instead of "ppp" and paused the game? Do you want the fake-emotions with ridiculous and embarrassing (okay, sometimes also awesome) ceremonies and ban ppl that show true human emotions, like naniwa did? Do you want a System that prides itself with being politically correct, fair and does everything to look shiny in the outside, but on the inside, they basically exploit teenagers and young adults and have 100% control over who is allowed to play, who gets how much money etc.? We need to show GSL right now that this is a direction we won't accept! I've deinstalled GomTV-player and deleted my Bookmarks for GSL until they revoke their decision. I don't care much for GSL atm anyways, cuz it gets upstaged by far by foreign tournaments, which also often have much better quality streams, free VoD's and a more multicultural playing-field. This was just the last straw for me...
If it helps eSports to grow and be a profession than yes, bring fucking KeSPa. We need to stop and fuck around if we want eSports to be something globally accepted and not just a fucking nerd time hobby. KeSPa was too harsh in a lot of aspects, but that doesn't mean they were wrong with everything they did.
People just fail to realize that KeSPa also did help eSports A LOT and even if I hate the late-days KeSPa and banning for 'g' or 'pp' etc, they certainly did help eSports a lot more than they did harm.
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so pathetic gom should at least give a warning before that if he ever did that again there would be action, stupid decision.
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On December 14 2011 21:34 Losthorn wrote:
This would have gotten a similar reaction in any professional sport so I cant see where all the crying is coming from....
Soccer teams don't field their A team in non important matches. Don't pretend you know something about all the sports in the world son.
(Actually other teams pay them to "give their best" in non important matches when the "other" team thinks that the team without motivation to win will be good for them.)
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On December 14 2011 21:37 Nadarath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:28 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 21:26 Nadarath wrote:On December 14 2011 21:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote:
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly. Fans need to realize its a Korean Product, the GSL. Even if foreigners can play in it, its their league. They run it and talk to sponsors. As mentioned before, a Korean would have suffered a way harsher penalty than that. Yeah that whole situation made me open my eyes. That's why im not gona give any more support to GOM. Since it is Korean product that benefit only Korean viewers and just does not care about anyone more. Im not Korean so bye bye GSL. Then for the love of god quit it. Everyone who buys a GSL ticket wants to see high level Starcraft and support eSport. If you don't buy its, thats the only thing you don't do. If eSports wants to grow and be professional, you need to set standards. Sure lets set standards. But GOM does actually double standards. Not everyone is treated the same. And yeah sure this is hurting eSports. And me not giving GOM support is based on GOM tv actions not on some hokey-pokey.
oh which guy threw a game in this blatant a manner and wasn't suspended?
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On December 14 2011 21:36 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) LOOOOOOOOOOOL WTF??? Hahahaha oh my god and the backpedaling begins.... This is unbelievable. And people are calling Naniwa's professionalism into question???
You're LOOOOOOOL-ing at an unofficial statement not from GOM? LOOOOOL?
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On December 14 2011 21:32 zanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:31 Legace wrote:
* Naniwa earns a Code S.
* He then proceeds to workerrush in a no impact game (poor choice) in a somewhat unrelated tournament.
* His Code S spot gets revoked by GomTV citing lack of respect and professionalism. Decision taken overnight.
* Mr. Chae then proceeds to slander Naniwa officially.
* Sen and IdrA are given FREE Code S seeds.
What a clusterfuck. Read the above quote. GOMTV = Impulsive
* Naniwa earns a Code S. - latest tweets suggest it was not the case.
* He then proceeds to workerrush in a no impact game (poor choice) in a somewhat unrelated tournament. - Code S and Blizzard Cup are not related?
* His Code S spot gets revoked by GomTV citing lack of respect and professionalism. Decision taken overnight. - See first point.
* Mr. Chae then proceeds to slander Naniwa officially. - unofficial translation off something he said on a live broadcast.
* Sen and IdrA are given FREE Code S seeds. - Yes, "sponsor" invites. Did anyone complain about foreigner Code A seeds before?
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On December 14 2011 21:36 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) So now they are telling flat out lies to cover their tracks? Stay Classy GomTV.
Well the actual groups for Code S january have not been seeded yet...
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Does GOM really want to suggest its okay for players to "give up" whenever they cannot progress in a tournament? No.
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It seems that MLG Providence has no seed.
The two seeds for the new year are completely separate.
Naniwa would have gotten one if he didn't misbehave.
Thus it was not something that he earned but rather something GOM chose not to grant him.
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The only weird thing I find is the arbitrary line drawn for punishment. I've seen Idra win a game doing a double extractor trick drone pull, I've seen games won and lost thrown away from 6 pools, proxy gates, raxes, all with questionably low win rates with no problem.
It seems like the problem is how low of a win-rate strategy are you allowed to execute before you're in trouble. The chance of his probe pull working is probably less than 1%, given the insane off chance that Nestea let drones die before reacting, but it still requires a reaction. 6 pool is something below 3% from games TvZ with no problems coming out of it, another ridiculously low chance to win, but still done and allowed.
Without a side towards Naniwa or GOM, why is this the line drawn?
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Owned pretty hard. His life was MLG and GSL, now GSL is out, what will he do?
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So, can I ask for a refund from GOM or what.
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On December 14 2011 21:25 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:20 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 21:18 Lysanias wrote:
A rule is a rule, if it says so in there rulebook then it's simple. I see no reason for 5000 posts. It doesn't say so in the rule book. They basically made some shit up and used that because they knew half of the people would blindly accept it because their favorite little whiny pros did. GomTV is a private company, without knowing if there was a contract between Naniwa and GomTV and the details of that contract, GomTV can do whatever the fuck they want. Ignoring rules and technicalities, I think what GomTV did was ethically right and I support their decision. If you look at it from a business perspective, you have to understand Korea is still their biggest audience and easiest way to monetise. Without Korean support GomTV would die very quickly. Again I don't have the facts and numbers but I trust GomTV to know their bottom line. I support their decision 100%.
The lack of integrity from GOMTV is astounding, if they are doing this because of pressure from the Korean fan and player base. Like it or not, Starcraft 2 is an international esport. If anything this shows how racist Koreans are.
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You can really tell how many young people there are in this thread. For the ones saying 'He didn't break any of the official rules!' Listen up: Naniwa is a professional gamer, being in tournaments like the GSL is his JOB. For those of you who have never had a real job let me give you a tip: if you go around disrespecting the business's customers, not showing up for the work and generally having a bad attitude, then when you get called into the boss's office say 'I don't see any rules I broke in the employee handbook!' you will be laughed out of the building and you will get fired I assure you. The ban is completely in keeping with any type of pro-gaming scene that wants to be professional in the least.
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On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed)
They are questioning Naniwa's behavior, while at the same time lying to us.
honestly, what the fuck?
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On December 14 2011 21:37 Hane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:32 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Nothing. Because then Nani would have shown a game. Which was, you know, his job. Why don't people get this? He's a professional. When he agreed to participate in this tournament, he knew the format, and he knew he might have to play meaningless games. So just 4-gate and deal. this
How do you draw the line of showing a game. He showed us a game. You can't say that wasn't a SC2 game.
On December 14 2011 21:38 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) They are questioning Naniwa's behavior, while at the same time lying to us. honestly, what the fuck?
It's a fucking joke man, don't even try to reason any shit out of this.
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On December 14 2011 21:35 DrGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionNaniwa earned his code S spot @ MLG thanks to MLG-GSL exchange program. Thats a fact and koreans are just <insert random inslut here>
could be a one sided interpretation of the rules by mlg
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On December 14 2011 21:37 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:34 Losthorn wrote:
This would have gotten a similar reaction in any professional sport so I cant see where all the crying is coming from.... Soccer teams don't field their A team in non important matches. Don't pretend you know something about all the sports in the world son. (Actually other teams pay them to "give their best" in non important matches when the "other" team thinks that the team without motivation to win will be good for them.)
this wasn't him not fielding his a team, this was him handing the ball over and laying down.
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On December 14 2011 21:35 Hopelessnoob wrote:
next time all ceremonies will be banned too. This is disrespectful to all of the teammates of the person being BM and his family. This is abusive and should be banned.
If the ceremony involves stripping to their boxers, dancing half naked, running into the sea, throwing ice cream sticks into the audience, maybe, eventually
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